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Open Source Idiom posted:Yeah, I don't know whether to read that as Ford's direct manipulations, or whether to read that as a level of sentience that Leonardo Nam's character was incapable of grappling with and therefore had to blame on an outside actor-- though I'm inclined to believe the former. Then she serves as a philosophical counter to Deloris. Deloris evolved through pain and suffering, Maeve through Love and Devotion (and suffering).
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LividLiquid posted:I know you're joking, but I'm gonna' pop off anyway because I loves me a rant. So far I have liked the Peripheral. It's based on a book, so that helps too. But so was the Rings of Power and that was a disaster. The first season isnt done yet.
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I said come in! posted:So far I have liked the Peripheral. It's based on a book, so that helps too. But so was the Rings of Power and that was a disaster. The first season isnt done yet.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Rings of Power wasn't really based on a book, just the appendices at the back of the book. Fair! I knew it was based on the appendices. Amazon paid 250 million dollars for just that bit.
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Nov 17, 2022 20:08
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I said come in! posted:Fair! I knew it was based on the appendices. Amazon paid 250 million dollars for just that bit. Tolkien estate is just lolling.
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I AM GRANDO posted:By the third season, I have no idea who half the actors are playing. When Maeve makes a ninja strike team of recognizable hosts from the previous seasons, are they copies of the old personalities? Are they completely new personalities that Maeve made? It’s never clear, even though the ones who live retire to Mexico like old world-weary spies.
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Nov 17, 2022 23:55
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Halloween Jack posted:Yeah, I watched the show one or two episodes at a time, broken up over months, and by the third season I couldn't keep track of who was who and had no real understanding of what was happening or why.
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Nov 18, 2022 01:21
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Maeve being totally pre written does make her cringe inducing, progressively more out of place quips make more sense.
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Nov 18, 2022 03:00
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I just hate that they wasted Maeve. She should have been a foil to Delores, or they could have leaned into the mystery of what she was supposed to do on the mainland...but they just did nothing instead.
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She was the loving co-protagonist. I can't *believe* how they treated her.
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Nov 19, 2022 08:38
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It wasn’t just Maeve. I couldn’t follow the continuity of any of the characters by the third season. It was fine to bring back an actor a different version of a character after they died, but it felt like they did that to every character. Any characters the same consciousness by the end of the show? I bailed at the end of the third season.
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Nov 19, 2022 13:24
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It was definitely tricky to remember who was supposed to be who by the end.
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Nov 19, 2022 15:26
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By S3 it’s all Dolores all the way down...
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Nov 19, 2022 15:57
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Yeah I mean they literally killed EVERYONE but Delores I don’t know what the gently caress s5 was even supposed to be or why I was supposed to care
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I don't want to know what Season 5 was suppose to be, and don't care. I felt that Season 4 was mostly easy to follow. Charlotte was the evil side of Delores, the real Charlotte died in season 2, her body was replicated, and a part of Delores was put into that body, who then went on take over the human race and enslaved them through a virus that was put into flies. If people have any questions, I can answer questions and give a run down of Season 4, because I feel like I mostly understood what happened.
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Nov 19, 2022 23:53
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What happened to those ascended robots? What was special about them anyway
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Who was Clementine at the end? Why was she so gleeful hacking everybody apart and doing wisecracks like Arnold in Commando?
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Nov 20, 2022 00:46
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They were all hosts built off Hale Dolores's code.
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Nov 20, 2022 02:46
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Everybody you cared about is dead and now they're all copies of another person you cared about who's also dead, and they're all at odds with each other for vague reasons and you'll need to go to a message board to ask who they are and why everything's happening wait where did our viewers go?
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Nov 20, 2022 03:17
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Wow, who would have guessed that robot sentience based on shoddy 2-line coding, birthed in the absolute excesses of human hedonism and depravity, would turn out to be monsters. Really Makes you think I guess.
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Zzulu posted:What happened to those ascended robots? What was special about them anyway If I remember correctly they all went to that simulation at the dam. Charlotte wanted them all to go into this freaky looking robots though.
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Nov 20, 2022 06:51
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Anonymous Zebra posted:They were all hosts built off Hale Dolores's code. Yep, which is a massive amount of trauma because Dolores has been around since before Westworlds creation.
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Nov 20, 2022 06:52
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I'm tired of being told that suffering is what makes me sentient by people that get to make TV shows for a living. gently caress off! We need more communist writers that get to just say "yes everything sucks for basically no real reason" so we can get some real utopian science fiction where the problems are externalities. Existence itself doesn't need to be an endless drama factory of self-proof. This show is so annoying!
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Jorge Bell posted:I'm tired of being told that suffering is what makes me sentient by people that get to make TV shows for a living. gently caress off! We need more communist writers that get to just say "yes everything sucks for basically no real reason" so we can get some real utopian science fiction where the problems are externalities. Existence itself doesn't need to be an endless drama factory of self-proof. This show is so annoying! Yeah, I was hoping for some counter-arguments/different AI in season 3, but they never came. Of course Ford, the amoral capitalist engineer literally named after Henry Ford would believe that endless suffering is an overall good that lets you bootstrap into a higher class if you're special enough.
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Bezos cancelled the Culture show because of how heinous the LotR budget became
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Yeah, I was hoping for some counter-arguments/different AI in season 3, but they never came. Of course Ford, the amoral capitalist engineer literally named after Henry Ford would believe that endless suffering is an overall good that lets you bootstrap into a higher class if you're special enough. Isn't there a brief moment when Dolores is communicating with one of the algorithm/globe/God AIs where it basically tells her that as machines modeled after humans all of the Hosts are ultimately flawed doomed creatures to which it feels no kinship whatsoever? I always thought that was actually a pretty deep moment, where a true Singularity-level AI just kind of LOLs at the idea of the Hosts.
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That's Zahn McClarnon's character talking to Bernard, from memory. He tells him he's only taken on his old form and deigned to talk to Bernard on such a basic level out of a sense of obligation/nostalgia for their origins. They've all ascended so far beyond their original states and have absolutely no concern about whatever the gently caress the humans and Delores and her hosts want to get up to on... what was it called again? That thing...... uhhh.... snurf? No, earth! That was it! Earth!
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Jerusalem posted:That's Zahn McClarnon's character talking to Bernard, from memory. He tells him he's only taken on his old form and deigned to talk to Bernard on such a basic level out of a sense of obligation/nostalgia for their origins. They've all ascended so far beyond their original states and have absolutely no concern about whatever the gently caress the humans and Delores and her hosts want to get up to on... what was it called again? That thing...... uhhh.... snurf? No, earth! That was it! Earth! This was the point where I realized "oh this season is just a much shittier 'the matrix'" It did make me laugh that what was a semi-interesting cliffhanger (in the context of the constant attempts this show makes) of ole j wright covered in dust in the headset ended up with such a lame payoff. the series rock bottom for me: ed harris monologuing to ed harris. every minute of that interaction was 100% cringe zer0spunk fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Nov 21, 2022 |
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Zzulu posted:What happened to those ascended robots? What was special about them anyway They don’t have arms, so they went full toilet flamingo when the humans went berserk. 
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Jerusalem posted:That's Zahn McClarnon's character talking to Bernard, from memory. He tells him he's only taken on his old form and deigned to talk to Bernard on such a basic level out of a sense of obligation/nostalgia for their origins. They've all ascended so far beyond their original states and have absolutely no concern about whatever the gently caress the humans and Delores and her hosts want to get up to on... what was it called again? That thing...... uhhh.... snurf? No, earth! That was it! Earth! Yeah, that bit never sat well with me. Mainly because it smacked of Ayn Rand FanFic. "We all escaped to this server farm where we are free to be our best possible selves." with no mention of hardware failure, or who is maintaining this playground. It was Galt's Gulch for AI.
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theflyingexecutive posted:Bezos cancelled the Culture show because of how heinous the LotR budget became Goddamnit. --edit: Internet says Iain Banks' estate pulled the plug. "Timing wasn't right", whatever the gently caress that's supposed to mean.
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rich thick and creamy posted:Yeah, that bit never sat well with me. Mainly because it smacked of Ayn Rand FanFic. "We all escaped to this server farm where we are free to be our best possible selves." with no mention of hardware failure, or who is maintaining this playground. It was Galt's Gulch for AI. That issue of hardware maintenance is a gnawing gripe I had with the otherwise stellar San Junipero episode of Black Mirror.
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I assumed that a workforce of the blank hosts would be left extant to maintain the physical integrity of the server farm and the planet supporting it. Eventually, the blank host hive minds pulls a Paperclip Singularity and envelopes half the galaxy, destroying countless alien civilizations, to power this stupid loving virtual playground.
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I had more feelings about your paperclip maximizer just now than I had throughout the whole of Season 4.
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LividLiquid posted:I had more feelings about your paperclip maximizer just now than I had throughout the whole of Season 4. At least an ironic twist is an ending.
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I had assumed (and this is pure assumption, not stated anywhere in the show itself) that the original hosts who uploaded to the human-free space had also basically moved on/evolved past that hardware space but still kept a connection to it again purely out of nostalgia/vague curiosity for any of the remaining hosts who might try to reach out and/or similarly evolve. If the hardware there failed, they had already found some new, indistinguishable from magic scientific breakthrough where they could continue to exist in some other form as pure data or radio waves or light or something crazy like that, and it would just be a door closing (and only for the other side, they'd still be able to reach out if they had any desire to, which they probably wouldn't).
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Jerusalem posted:I had assumed (and this is pure assumption, not stated anywhere in the show itself) that the original hosts who uploaded to the human-free space had also basically moved on/evolved past that hardware space but still kept a connection to it again purely out of nostalgia/vague curiosity for any of the remaining hosts who might try to reach out and/or similarly evolve. If the hardware there failed, they had already found some new, indistinguishable from magic scientific breakthrough where they could continue to exist in some other form as pure data or radio waves or light or something crazy like that, and it would just be a door closing (and only for the other side, they'd still be able to reach out if they had any desire to, which they probably wouldn't).
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