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saladscooper posted:Could also be that all the potential vote leaders (keane, maerlyn, anarc, and me) were not-scum, and therefore the target of the swerve didn't actually matter Yeah that's definitely a possibility. Even in that case though, scum's job wouldn't be to keep things off a particular person, it'd be to look like they're still engaged and pretend they give a poo poo. So I think it's just background noise.
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Yeah I'm finally caught up to this game, yes in masonry w Toal. That swing building up so fast on AN makes me lean towards them being town, being used to save Maer. The votes that look worst from that swing timing to me are Plastic, Wol and Cloaca. Wolo's a bit all over the place with a lot of shitposting, but I don't have a strong scum ping other than the vote here, but if I Maer flips scum I'm looking quite hard at Wolo after. Cloaca's kind of the same, no other strong scum pings, but the progression from Maer to AN and then back on to Keane makes me think this could have been a bus turned save once it seemed viable in the chaos.
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Plastic arrives out of nowhere for the swerve, perhaps pinged in scum chat? Then makes a vote that reads overly self-conscious.PlasticAutomaton posted:Eff it. To look like scum and overexplain my vote, that weird post saying how they'd vote Keane and then never getting around to it. Then today there's this, as pointed out by her, she had actually discussed Keane well before the vote so that's just blatantly false. If I had been trying to get a lunch on you instead of AN my vote would have been on you also there wasn't much need to do other pushing on AN since the votes picked almost immediately after those posts I made, here too Plastic is misrepresenting things that happened. PlasticAutomaton posted:
PlasticAutomaton posted:..Also guess I should clarify. I think Illusionis is also scum distancing from Anarc as they pushed and pushed but when time came to get rid of Anarc, they started desperately trying to float alternatives. As he is here too, me mentioning you, but keeping my vote on AN and indicating who of the current vote leaders I would vote. Then voting on Keane to avoid a nolunch with less than 10 minutes before deadline is hardly desperately trying to get alternatives to AN. In other words Plastics posting bull and is scum ##vote PlasticAutomaton
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Dec 5, 2022 23:21
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Ugh imma just go to sleep again and wait for y'all to hopefully lunch Hal instead
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On Maer and Wind. Wind mostly engaging in mechanical chat today and hardly casing at all is unusual for her and kinda suspicious. However Maer bringing this up push Wind seems strange, Binus hardly gets people following his pushes, him getting killed for his stated reads seems a bit far fetched. Other than another post pushing Wind who's already under a lot of heat today Maer is all mech spec and jokes for today, seems to be playing it safe, barely mentioning anybody else, highly suspicious.Maerlyn posted:I did look back at binus' posts because scum killing binus seems incredibly weird, unless he was on the right track and scum were scared. I just don't really see scum bothering to kill binus if he was barking up the wrong tree. I'm interested in pulilng threads like this:
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wologar posted:I'm speculating. I have reason to think I got "mod shitposting: the role" and be wary that there appear to be exactly two of them. But the mod shitposting is definitely not from my role. And I'm *extremely* suspicious that whoever sent the messages to me is scum trying to make *me* look suspicious. I don't see why a messenger would keep quiet about messages — even a scum messenger — because it's a provable action and very likely clears whoever it is from killing binus.
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Toal I've cooled on my initial suspicions about confusing posting and I'm pretty much null on her for now, but this post did ping me some. We're playing a high power role game, there's more than likely all sorts of visiting roles around and some useful town power is quite guaranteed so I don't quite get the conclusion here that this outs anything really. Also since Salad's claimed power also triggers if claimed vanilla Maer were to do actions I don't see how this is a useless data point to have once more night action information is revealed as the game progresses.Toalpaz posted:Yeah I don't think you get anything meaningful out of targeting a claimed vanilla. Someone visits them and then what? You've confirmed someone has done something non lethal to a vanilla role. Realistically you out the presence of a town doctor, jailer, tracker, watcher, body guard.
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And now I'm heading to bed since it's very late here. I'm going to look at more people tomorrow.
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Sooo do you think Maerlyn is scum, Illusionis? Cause that seems to be the core of your entire thesis there, but you're kinda dancing around that.(I also feel like it's kind of bullshit because not even Maer was defending herself, which is something you'd think she'd be doing if scum was interfering to save her.) And you don't think the even more sudden swerve off of Anarc back to Keane is even more suspicious?
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I think clo is scum. Everything she says seems absolutely contrived, like "oh look at me I'm making conversations and reads". It feels made up bc her one big from D1, maer, completely dropped off with no comment once other people started saying maer was towny to them. Jumped on the vote on me with no reason. Jumped to the keane vote with no reason. Her case on wind is based almost entirely on meta, and again, it just seems contrived. "There are a bunch of votes on wind, let me come up with some words to explain why I'm jumping on this bandwagon" Idk it just feels scummy to me.
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Wolo, what's your case on wind? From what I see, it's 1. She's not posting enough as per her meta, 2. Seems like her role is similar but opposite to yours Is that the whole case? Honestly I thought wolo was super town until this random wind push
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Dec 6, 2022 00:13
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let's kill one of ANarc and Windward today If town, turbo cloaca tomorrow deal?
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reason: windward/yami has been hm?? this whole time, vibes etc, others have articulated cases that i think make sense anarc cuz quorum-dodger then both i think are fairly in opposition to cloaca
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AnonymousNarcotics posted:Wolo, what's your case on wind? From what I see, it's 1. She's not posting enough as per her meta, 2. Seems like her role is similar but opposite to yours yehhhh i couldn't indepednently articulate a case on windward tbh now that i think about it i dont really remember why i voted her
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Dec 6, 2022 00:23
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another option is to listen to bif and dunk hal and then if hal flips town dunk bif
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although bif's case on hal is such that him flipping town wouldn't say much about bif's alignment on second look meh
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fuckit ##vote anarc top of my list of reads from before, involved in a lotta dynamics rn, gonna park there til persuaded otherwise
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AnonymousNarcotics posted:I think clo is scum. Everything she says seems absolutely contrived, like "oh look at me I'm making conversations and reads". It feels made up bc her one big from D1, maer, completely dropped off with no comment once other people started saying maer was towny to them. Do I think we should do cloaca over wind
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Toalpaz posted:Do I think we should do cloaca over wind U, loving gkeyboard auto correct. I can't even write ill without it becoming I'll.
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Toalpaz posted:Do I think we should do cloaca over wind you think anarc is town?
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shwinnebego posted:
wow i'm all over the fuckin place i don't recall thinking salad was sus at all yet here i am
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The "big case" on me yesterday was that I was shitposting and not trying. No one even said I was scummy. I think scum is pushing a narrative of focusing on me to keep the votes off them. Also, I'm not crazy about the votes on wind. How do they have 5 votes already? Scum is definitely on that vote. Just reread the first 3. Unsure about wolo's case (hence my earlier post) but feeling OK about toal and maer. Their logic follows in their posts at least in my brain. Haven't reread schwinn yet but they just straight up said they don't know why they're voting wind. Already gave my case on clo. I'm curious for the people who still wanna lunch me - what information do you think you can get from it? If I'm town, does that mean maer is scum, since it was a veer away from her? I don't think that would necessarily be true.
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Pretty sure the bulk of the case on me is that I've been lurky Which, while true, is not indicative of my scum game It's not indicative of anything except that I've invested very little time into this game so far, lol, and that I'll take the blame for. I'm OK with where my vote is, I think Maer's posts look a bit better today than yesterday but I'm not jumping to clear her like I see a lot of you doing. I prefer voting Hal currently, as I said. I fundamentally disagree with his scum case on salad and I also think he's been trying to posture around me today by not scumreading me like everyone else, which is weird and pockety. And i have a big, fat null on ANarc so I can't say I'm inclined to vote there for any particular reason.
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I keep giving the end of day wagonomics another look, but my thoughts are just sort of all over the place and not really sticking together cohesively. I think arguments can be made in pretty much any direction since the evidence is inconclusive so far, and I've talked myself in circles. Like just because I don't have a strong impression of ANarc, I think I'd still prefer to lunch Maer before them, but I'm not really prioritizing either of them today, and usually i get the opposite feeling when there's wagon turbulence.
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I don't feel like looking for the exact posts to quote, but for the people who are saying I was framing the vote as salad vs keane, that's incorrect. What happened was that salad was the one who started the swerve on to me. I said I was squinting at salad and also keane bc the vote was split btwn him and maer when the swerve started. I voted salad. Someone else voted keane. I was saying I don't care which one of them we vote but we should pick one (so we don't split the vote)
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AN if you're sounding more townie does that mean you're actually scum
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Bif on a scale of 1-5 how confident are you that Hal is scum
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shwinnebego posted:Bif on a scale of 1-5 how confident are you that Hal is scum 3.9
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Let’s just dunk Hal and then if he’s town dunk bif ##vote hal
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Yeah!! ##vote Hal
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That is a terrible plan
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AnonymousNarcotics posted:Wolo, what's your case on wind? From what I see, it's 1. She's not posting enough as per her meta, 2. Seems like her role is similar but opposite to yours Bullet points: - I was pinged by Yami D1. - Wind has been content lurking. - Wind decided to follow Yami's reads (why?) instead of her own. - Wind has been content lurking. - Wind offered no resistance on her push. - Wind has been content lurking. It's bulletproof.
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i can feel our 3 spectators groaning and moaning about apathy town already
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Time for whatever this is: Lean scum: Wind, Cloaca, Bif Could go either way: salad, Mona, Hal, Illu, Toal, ANarc Lean town: Plastic, shwinn, Maer [each block is ordered from scummier to townier]
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wologar posted:Bullet points: yeah i'm also not feeling any of the other candidates and this is a good sum up. ultimately, i have to assume the apathetic response is that scum don't want to go out on a limb to defend wind when there's no will to survive there. They're hoping people get bored and vote someone else. i think an AN vote here would be fairly high info but, i haven't seen anybody accuse people convincingly of being scum defending AN. i think an AN execution would need to be supplemented with lists of people who we would definitely have an idea of the alignments of after an AN flip.
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Toalpaz posted:yeah i'm also not feeling any of the other candidates and this is a good sum up. because AN flip should be predicated around understanding the swerve back onto keane.
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wologar posted:Time for whatever this is: Feeling better about wolo since apart from not thinking Hal's a great lunch, these reads line up well with my own (plus extra credit for being paranoid about me) Would also rate Toal a bit higher
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yup, i'm very town. go me. I'm next on the Kyll Lyst *said extremely*
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