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Mr.Radar posted:yanderekko 11 minutes ago | parent | context | flag | favorite | on: ElonJet Is Now Suspended incredible. "i don't like this. is there perhaps a version that fits with my personal views and expectations?"
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they edited their post and now it's even funnier: yanderekko 2 hours ago | parent | context | favorite | on: ElonJet Is Now Suspended Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.
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we get it, you took a statistics class
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throwaway894345 2 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] > large corporations and billionaires usually found success by acting in their own interest so they will just keep on doing that I mean, if you have to irrationally hate someone, I guess billionaires are going to be the ones with the resources to handle it, but I'd really rather we as a society move away from this sort of cathartic scapegoating altogether. The more we normalize taking our anger out on some group or another, backed up by flimsy excuses like "x usually found success by acting in their own interest" the more likely it becomes that "x" will be "The Jews" or some other group. reply
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dougdrums posted:we get it, you took a statistics class if the only thing they ever mention is bayes rule, probably they just read Harry Potter And The Methods Of Rationality “steelmanning”, also a clue
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There are very few hn posters who have ever taken a statistics class.
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SolTerrasa posted:if the only thing they ever mention is bayes rule, probably they just read Harry Potter And The Methods Of Rationality i'd never heard the phrase "steelmanned" in my entire life until i read that HN post. i refuse to believe that it exists as a thing outside of high-school debate clubs
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Pile Of Garbage posted:i'd never heard the phrase "steelmanned" in my entire life until i read that HN post. i refuse to believe that it exists as a thing outside of high-school debate clubs unfortunately, the high school debate club metastasized
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Pile Of Garbage posted:i'd never heard the phrase "steelmanned" in my entire life until i read that HN post. i refuse to believe that it exists as a thing outside of high-school debate clubs
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SolTerrasa posted:unfortunately, the high school debate club metastasized lol. lmao. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FPsEwWT6K0
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90% of rationalism is making up new names for existing ideas because they insist on inventing things from "first principals" instead of reading a book or something. a high school debate club would be a step up.
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puffoflogic 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [–] I have a theory about Twitter's often odd actions since Musk took over, although I fear HN won't like it because it may tend to paint Musk in a reasonable light: I think that we are seeing the symptoms of a team (Twitter) who is not yet used to Musk's management style, whereby he says something like, "we should do X", and he means, "we should investigate and take reasonable actions which have the same effect as (the too-bold action) X". The team interprets the first statement too literally and actually does X, which isn't really what Musk intended. I developed this theory in the roll-out of Twitter Blue, because it matches what happened very closely: Musk publicly said "hey we're going to start charging for verification and it's no longer a mark of validated identity". The team jumped and made something overnight, but this was rolled back because it's not what Musk meant for them to do. Rather, what he meant for them to do was sit down, plan what to do, and then execute it - quickly, but not immediately. And that's what happened in the end, i.e. in the past few days. This effect is exacerbated by the remaining employees at Twitter including those who are most eager to suck up to the new boss, frankly, leading to them jumping and doing what he said (over-literally). Anyways, the same theory would explain the elonjet thing. Elon says, "hey posting people's real-time location is generally seen as a bad thing, like that elonjet guy, we should look into a policy against that." Overeager underling takes this as a commandment to ban elonjet. More reasonable people who are beginning to catch on to the management style go and actually develop the policy; once it's developed, it makes sense to just Ctrl-Z the actions of the overeager group. reply
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if twitter has a weakness, it is only that the team loves and respects elon musk too much. IF it has a weakness.
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elon said to fire 50% of the employees there and those employees just took their pink slips too literally
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yes, elon is a very bad manager and to the extent that orgs are effective under him it’s because they tactically ignore and “interpret” his terrible ideas for the important products while keeping him distracted with vanity projects that can be written off. all the real work and leadership happens at a level beneath him and in spite of his best efforts to continually derail it that is what that poster meant, right
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fritz posted:puffoflogic 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [–] 
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SolTerrasa posted:unfortunately, the high school debate club metastasized
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if you imagine that musky acted completely differently, he's actually a lot more reasonable
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Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together? 28 points by shanebellone 45 minutes ago | flag | hide | past | favorite | 43 comments I have a concept for a social network that would eliminate many pain points. I'm sure others do too. How could we build a communal product for the public? Theoretically, this approach would result in a better product. Practically, it seems nearly impossible. What are your thoughts? Edit: Let me give an example that I have been thinking about since 2009. It requires a fundamental change from the reach model towards concentric social circles. The social network would allow users to arrange into small topical groups called social circles. These social circles would have a cap of 10 (arbitrary number) members. Each user could take part in many social circles. This inherently limits reach and therefore reduces the burden of misinformation, abuse, and moderation. This model closely mirrors real social interactions and allows for both private and intimate communication. It also offers a profitable advertising opportunity. A social circle reflects its members’ interests and context.
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distortion park posted:if you imagine that musky acted completely differently, he's actually a lot more reasonable honestly im surprised that sentiment towards the boer is shifting on HN. at least that's what it looks like from the comments posted where people are pre-emptively defending their defence of muskman
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Mr.Radar posted:Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together? what everyone truly wants, google plus but with worse code
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sandGorgon 1 hour ago | parent | context | flag | favorite | on: Ancient grammatical puzzle solved after 2,500 year... An Indian PhD student at Cambridge University, who was studying Sanskrit under his Italian (Naples born) professor of Sanskrit...has cracked a 2500yr linguistic Sanskrit algorithm to generate sentences. I would call this the GPT-3 moment for Sanskrit.  reply
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p-e-w 1 hour ago | parent | context | favorite | on: Atom was archived today VSCode is one of the greatest pieces of engineering of our time. It's really only when you compare it with Atom that you realize how great it is. Atom was built by incredibly smart people, who had full control over the platform and several years of head start, and they were still out-engineered by the VSCode team at every turn. VSCode did almost everything right: The choice of TypeScript as the base language (with which VSCode has a symbiotic relationship), the limited, slowly expanding extension API, LSP, the monorepo, the monthly release cadence, the built-in terminal, and the list goes on and on. They turned Electron's strengths into super-strengths, and deftly engineered around Electron's weaknesses. VSCode is the greatest productivity tool in the history of software engineering, and it fully deserves the dominant status it has today.
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Xik posted:p-e-w 1 hour ago | parent | context | favorite | on: Atom was archived today my god jgilias 1 hour ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] > VSCode is one of the greatest pieces of engineering of our time. I don’t know… things like vertically landing rockets, the Large Hadron Collider, inflating space stations, CRISPR, mRNA vaccines come to mind among many other things that surely surpass VS Code when it comes to engineering marvels. reply p-e-w 1 hour ago | root | parent | next [–] I hold VSCode to be at least equal to those achievements. Having used dozens of text editors and IDEs in the course of my programming career, I can appreciate how non-obvious it is for a piece of software this complex to work so loving well all the time. And considering how many people are empowered by the productivity gains VSCode brings, I'd say that the real-world impact of VSCode is also much greater than that of most of the projects you listed. VSCode has probably saved hundreds of millions of hours for programmers over the past few years. It's almost impossible to come up with an appropriate comparison for how important it is. reply
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Imagine being a weird obsessive stan who isn't able to distinguish between "x is decent and I like it" and "x is the best thing in the history of mankind" but then deciding to apply that to vscode of all things
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I’ll be somewhat charitable to this guy because it’s a very common SV-ism to confuse “engineering” with “product”, and vsc is a real product success story. also, lol
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Pile Of Garbage posted:i'd never heard the phrase "steelmanned" in my entire life until i read that HN post. i refuse to believe that it exists as a thing outside of high-school debate clubs in like the most literal way of creating the opposite.
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yeah, it’s about creating the strongest possible counter-argument to your position in order to more effectively evaluate it. used in good faith it’s a reasonable approach, but it’s…not always used in good faith
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it’s always used to give reactionary dipshits the benefit of the doubt, these guys aren’t steelmanning Marx
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old and busted: vim is better than emacs new hotness: vscode is better than clean drinking water
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i tried vscode once it took multiple seconds to load up, which i find unacceptable for a text editor, so i uninstalled it that's the story of my interaction with one of the greatest engineering marvels in human history
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as a person who once made half aw ebsite I like vs chode
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I hated it when I first tried it. the setting aren’t navigable, I’d get plug-in errors/notifications all the time. fuuuuuuuck but now it’s the default way to code for so many platforms, good luck getting support for anything else! finally after getting somewhat used to it, it’s ok. platformIO for microcontrollers is a high point for it imho
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I simply use fast computers so vscode is plenty fast for me (though vscode more generally puts the lie to "Electron has to be slow", I recently upgraded from a pretty pokey laptop and it was fine there and is fine here). And tbh until the guy went fully maximal, this-is-civilization-defining, I was sort of on the train. vscode takes the genuinely good parts of the legacy VS suite (debugging chief among them) and wires it up to a more-than-good-enough text editor that's easy to extend when needed--I have my own extension that tweaks its behaviors in a few ways that I prefer. I wrote a Sublime Text extension back in the day, it sucked. I maintained vimrc, that extra sucked. By comparison vscode is a pretty good local maximum of "fast enough, gets out of the way, and has the bells and whistles when I need it for every language I need it for*" and that is a pretty big step forward. I don't think I'd go back to anything else except for really specific stuff, and vscode is eating that too. ++ for PlatformIO -- I'm new to that but it loving rules. * - except JVM stuff. IDEA is still installed on my machines for that reason.
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pressing “.” on GitHub to get dropped into a web-hosted vscode instance still feels like the future
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it feels annoying as gently caress because my browser locking up for 30 seconds to load a lovely editor is never what i want
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so to the extent that the future of the web is a popup div stamping on the content area forever, i suppose it does feel like the future
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timonoko 28 minutes ago | parent | context | flag | favorite | on: Linux, Amazon, Meta, and Microsoft Want to Break t... Somekind of multilayer approach would be preferable. Lowest layer could be Totally Open. Anybody could insert any URL at any coordinates at any time. Woke Whiners could be handled easily: tiniest whine and you will never see that map-layer ever again.
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