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chglcu posted:In case anyone ITT was hit by the MS layoffs, we have a decent number of openings right now. Onsite/hybrid/remote in Bellevue, WA or fully remote from select states: https://www.arena.net/en/careers "select states"? Do you have an embargo on some of them?
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Ofecks posted:"select states"? Do you have an embargo on some of them? I think it’s tax-type stuff preventing us from allowing it everywhere, but I’m really not sure. The list has been pretty rapidly expanding, though. e: possibly benefits availability and such as well, I suppose. chglcu fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Jan 20, 2023 |
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30.5 Days posted:Is there a rash of kids buying microtransactions without their parents' credit cards? It seems like if you have that, there's really no way to stop a kid from buying things who doesn't say "HELLO I AM A KID". Most non-mobile lootbox games deal with COPPA by just not letting under 13s create accounts but they do anyway, and use their parents credit cards to pay for the lootboxes. Not clear what else could be done except start regulating the monetization model in a more universal way, which wouldn't be too bad. We've been seeing those news clickbait articles for almost 20 years about a kid somehow purchasing $1k's of digital stuff, but when you get into it they either stole their parents card to buy roblox bucks, or the family ipad had payment info saved on Apple and they just keep hitting the "refresh" cost button in a mobile game. It's a real problem giving a child access to a seemingly endless money font and expecting nothing to ever happen. Impluse control is a struggle for tons of adults much less literal child with no concept of finances. pentyne fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Jan 20, 2023 |
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Jan 20, 2023 01:38
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the problem is apple 'helpfully' saving all the payment info so a tech illiterate parent adds their card to make some $5 payment or whatever and then the kid can just keep buying poo poo without even needing a card
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Jan 20, 2023 01:44
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The problem is dipshit parents giving their kid an ipad so they don't have to parent them.
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You can’t do a charge on an Apple device without the account password /FaceID/ Touch ID.
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I really don't think it's kids racking up thousands of dollars in purchases. That probably makes like 1%. The rest really are just adults that are bad with money.
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Yeah, but we only care about protecting kids for the purposes of this conversation.
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doesn't help that we also have a multibillion dollar industry now with influencers being paid to promote genshin and all that stuff to their fans
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pentyne posted:We've been seeing those news clickbait articles for almost 20 years about a kid somehow purchasing $1k's of digital stuff, but when you get into it they either stole their parents card to buy roblox bucks, or the family ipad had payment info saved on Apple and they just keep hitting the "refresh" cost button in a mobile game. Tism the Dragon Tickler posted:The problem is dipshit parents giving their kid an ipad so they don't have to parent them. yepe. absolutely not the fault of the big company which makes it purposefully as easy as possible to compulsively spend + games and apps openly targetting kids for predatory monetization. and frankly its not their concern or ours, if people are going ot have crotch spawn they should loving look after them ffs.
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america is so loving stupid lol
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The gambling industry itself is getting into extremes you previously only saw in cheesy 80s movies about a dystopian corporate hellhole future. Eat the Rich address the WallStreetBets phenomenon of 2021 and in the last episode relates it to a rise in the gamification of things like Robinhood, where you have daily login rewards, "free money" starter packs, and all sorts of dopamine inducing UI features that casinos have mastered for decades.
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Also you can turn off FaceID / Touch ID for store purchases so the kid would need to know the Apple ID password to make any purchases.
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I'm wondering if a blanket ban on the ability to save payment information might be a good way to start to address the issue. It would remove the ability for careless parents to save payment information and serves to forcibly cut almost all kid-based button mash purchases out of the picture. As a side benefit, it seriously curbs careless impulse spending on the part of adults - you'd need to consciously input your credit card information every time you wanted to buy currency to swipe the gacha or refresh your stamina or whatever, which provides a necessary physical check to force you to acknowledge what you're doing.
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I said come in! posted:I really don't think it's kids racking up thousands of dollars in purchases. That probably makes like 1%. The rest really are just adults that are bad with money. My kid bought $600 of Sonic rings for some Sonic game because I didn't even know the hame had micro transactions. Neither Sega nor Google were interested in giving my money back so I had to do a chargeback. I'm sure a lot of it is adults but there are definitely times you don't even think about it as a parent. My daughter spent 60 bucks one time on my tablet but thay was because she was buying adventure time seasons so that was forgiven.
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PneumonicBook posted:My kid bought $600 of Sonic rings for some Sonic game because I didn't even know the hame had micro transactions. Neither Sega nor Google were interested in giving my money back so I had to do a chargeback. Sounds like google should change the way it lets people do purchases.
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it shouldnt be an option in the first place
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Stux posted:yepe. absolutely not the fault of the big company which makes it purposefully as easy as possible to compulsively spend + games and apps openly targetting kids for predatory monetization. and frankly its not their concern or ours, if people are going ot have crotch spawn they should loving look after them ffs. multiple things can be bad at the same time and my original point was that there should be harsh regulations because parents are loving morons
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A law that forced companies to provide a refund for any and all in game purchase for 2 hours(or x hours) would kill all the bullshit in modern gaming. If you want to pay 9.99 for horse armor have at it. Slot machines in video games ruins everything.
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Bobfromsales posted:A law that forced companies to provide a refund for any and all in game purchase for 2 hours(or x hours) would kill all the bullshit in modern gaming. I think it would just accelerate a shift to a battlepass model where you only get your lootbox after 3 hours of gameplay.
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chglcu posted:I think it’s tax-type stuff preventing us from allowing it everywhere, but I’m really not sure. The list has been pretty rapidly expanding, though. We have the same situation at EA. A company has to have a business entity in a given state (and in some places in specific municipalities) in order to hire people there for tax reasons. It leads to some weird things, like I can hire people remote in Missouri, but not in Kansas City.
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I would support a blanket ban on saving payment information as well as mandated return windows for digital microtransactions. The corps would just find a new way around it, but that all seems fine. I'd also support disallowing loot boxes in all software, not even ones just "for children".
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Bucnasti posted:We have the same situation at EA. A company has to have a business entity in a given state (and in some places in specific municipalities) in order to hire people there for tax reasons. Yeah, my complete remote employer has to establish some kind of entity everywhere we have an employee. States are easy, but they have to get creative sometimes with non-US folks.
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Regulate loot boxes as gambling.
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Tism the Dragon Tickler posted:multiple things can be bad at the same time or maybe a lot of parents are incredibly overworked because we live in a dystopian capitalist hellscape and these companies are specifically targeting children. in the 80s and 90s, parents that were overworked just could set their kids in front of the TV and the worst they would see is some advertisements for lego or a batman playset or some poo poo like that. they didn't have the ability to one click spend $99 BEST VALUE
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I guess but also a lot of parents really don't give a poo poo.
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you're right. that definitely means its their fault
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Mordiceius posted:you're right. that definitely means its their fault Yes it's their fault for not giving a poo poo.
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Look I think we can all agree the world needs to come together and either needs to ban children or video games. One of the two.
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MarcusSA posted:I guess but also a lot of parents really don't give a poo poo. Stux posted:its a social responsibility
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Yeah I get that but how do we navigate trying to raise other peoples kids when they don't care enough?
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if your response to people losing tremendous amounts of money on gambling is to pin it on solely being "bad with money" or whatever, I really recommend checking out Vicious Games, by Rebecca Cassidy. A lot of how we as a society talk about "problem gambling" is just repeating whole cloth exactly what the gambling industry says about it. The idea that gambling addiction is just a weird personal flaw and up to every individual person to manage, and not a created addiction by an industry that survives by making new addicts is just insane. Video game gambling, whether its loot boxes or gacha or whatever, is fundamentally evil, and it is creating victims out of children. studio mujahideen fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Jan 20, 2023 |
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stopping large companies from profiting from it for little to no benefit to the average end user is a good start, generally
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are you going to be personally harmed if you cannot buy $500 worth of sonic rings for the sonic temple run clone without some friction? or if that option doesnt exist full stop?
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I feel like the bare minimum should be if you're under 18 you flat out cannot buy any IAP or MTX poo poo on your account. No parental verification or anything, just straight up not allowed. Your parent could still buy you a robux card or google play card for your birthday or w/e but that alone would help curb a lot of this. More needs to be done though obviously.
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I don't know if this video's been posted in this thread, but it's still hell of relevant because it's still lovely tactics to prey on people that games still do! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNjI03CGkb4
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Personally, I'd be all for the banning of any loot box or currency microtransaction. You can't buy sonic coins, but you can buy red sonic. Only direct 1-to-1 dollars to item.
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all gambling of any form should be destroyed because it is inherently predatory, yeah microtransactions should also be destroyed, but those things are not necessarily linked and getting rid of one will not get rid of the other, just force it into a different shape.
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MarcusSA posted:Yeah I get that but how do we navigate trying to raise other peoples kids when they don't care enough? What is wrong with your brain
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Lady Radia posted:What is wrong with your brain It's a legit question when it comes to government regulations and possible overreach.
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