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The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


the whole thing is a mess and produces a fractured experience that is almost completely but not quite totally unlike twitter

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outhole surfer
Mar 18, 2003

every one of these mastodon threads is "oh woe is me, i might pick the wrong server". if you're on the "strong set" of federated servers, aside from the "local" timeline (who the gently caress even uses that?), the experience is almost identical. hackyderm, octodon, mastodon.online/social, hackertown, and many others are so tightly federated that the federated timeline on each is basically the same.

even if you're a moron with a single-user instance like me, once you follow someone from each of these servers, the federated timeline is exactly the same

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

hail cgatan


you'll never catch me tooting

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
jorts.horse seems decent but they're invite only at the moment, pm me and i can drop you an invite (i think that's a thing i am allowed to do? i see an option for it in my account options).

choice of server affects

- moderation policy, so if you want to hang out in a place that blocks and bans nazis on sight then you have the option of doing that, unlike twitter
- common interests of its users, which affects the sorts of people showing up on the local feed and the federated feed (see below), making it easier to discover interesting people to follow.

instead of one timeline there's three timelines

- home: people you follow, chronologically. if you follow 100 people and one of them posts as much as the other 99 combined well sucks to be your timeline
- local: people on your server, chronologically
- federated: everybody (from any server) who is followed by at least one person on your server. in other words all the people that the server follows on its users' behalf.

anybody can start a server under their own domain name, then make posts to any other server's users' public timelines, but server operators can also ban your server from interacting with theirs, which is referred to as "defederation".

Roosevelt
Jul 18, 2009

I'm looking for the man who shot my paw.

Sapozhnik posted:

jorts.horse seems decent but they're invite only at the moment, pm me and i can drop you an invite (i think that's a thing i am allowed to do? i see an option for it in my account options).

choice of server affects

- moderation policy, so if you want to hang out in a place that blocks and bans nazis on sight then you have the option of doing that, unlike twitter
- common interests of its users, which affects the sorts of people showing up on the local feed and the federated feed (see below), making it easier to discover interesting people to follow.

instead of one timeline there's three timelines

- home: people you follow, chronologically. if you follow 100 people and one of them posts as much as the other 99 combined well sucks to be your timeline
- local: people on your server, chronologically
- federated: everybody (from any server) who is followed by at least one person on your server. in other words all the people that the server follows on its users' behalf.

anybody can start a server under their own domain name, then make posts to any other server's users' public timelines, but server operators can also ban your server from interacting with theirs, which is referred to as "defederation".

i think i'll just post here instead

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
YOSPOS is defederating from IYG over irreconcilable differences in laptop recommendations

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



your mom federate deez nuts

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


it is very confusing rn I won't lie

I think the most annoying thing for me is that threads with lots of people show all the recipients in the message so it's kind of hard to read

and by "lots of people" I mean the other yosposters on it

EricBauman
Nov 30, 2005

DOLF IS RECHTVAARDIG
the fact that this stuff needs to be explained at all is enough of an indication that mastodon isnt for general use. it will never be used as widely as twitter. whether or not that's bad, ok or actually a benefit is entirely up to your personal opinion.

someone just needs to create twitter but without the nazis

goblin week
Jan 26, 2019

Absolute clown.
i thought yesterday that maybe i should set up a mastodon for my animal content but then you guys started explaining mastodon to me and how i don't actually need to care about the core idea of the platform because [some horseshit] and i don't want to do this anymore

Gnossiennes
Jan 7, 2013


Loving chairs more every day!

https://mobile.twitter.com/TomHarrison19/status/1593475441699987457

i feel like this every time i approach signing up for mastodon and i never get far

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

EricBauman posted:

the fact that this stuff needs to be explained at all is enough of an indication that mastodon isnt for general use. it will never be used as widely as twitter. whether or not that's bad, ok or actually a benefit is entirely up to your personal opinion.

someone just needs to create twitter but without the nazis

none of this stuff needs explaining

Zlodo
Nov 25, 2006
Yeah i don't know anything about mastodon but it doesn't feel like you need to know all those details to get started, seems to me that all you have to do is just join one of the good servers

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


tbf if you can't figure out "choose an instance from a list then add everyone in yospos" as a process you probably shouldn't be in yospos

seriously though I think the main problem is that the early descriptions of how to join it were loving awful and went straight into "if you want to host your own then <continues for hundreds of words>"

one thing that you do have to be a little aware of at first is that because it's federated you can get some delay while data replicates. Iirc it took a few minutes from me signing up to be able to login while that happened.

Ice_2_c_u
Sep 13, 2002

is it still true that mastodon mods can read your dms

Archduke Frantz Fanon
Sep 7, 2004

Ice_2_c_u posted:

is it still true that mastodon mods can read your dms

as true as it is on twitter and facebook

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Ice_2_c_u posted:

is it still true that mastodon mods can read your dms

specifically the admins of your home instance, and the admins of the instances of the people you message

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



Powerful Two-Hander posted:

it is very confusing rn I won't lie

I think the most annoying thing for me is that threads with lots of people show all the recipients in the message so it's kind of hard to read

and by "lots of people" I mean the other yosposters on it

ivory and, historically tweetbot, always did this and it's very annoying

i think ivory also stumbles on those big multi-instance conversation histories because it'll never show them, but the official client (eventually) does

goblin week posted:

i thought yesterday that maybe i should set up a mastodon for my animal content but then you guys started explaining mastodon to me and how i don't actually need to care about the core idea of the platform because [some horseshit] and i don't want to do this anymore

unless you mean your own instance, lots of this doesn't effect regular use

me, i did movetodon then started using it like twitter. most of this is all background info that doesn't matter with the simplified view (my timeline only) and i'm on mastodon.social which is a big generic instance

the only difference is trying to find people without a 1:1 twitter mapping, but following a bunch of y'all has led to me finding others

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



oops, movetodon violated a secret rule (being useful) and can't access twitter anymore. i guess those api cutoffs started a week early

in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

big scary monsters posted:

YOSPOS is defederating from IYG over irreconcilable differences in laptop recommendations

Defend Your Federation

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.
https://twitter.com/fridaypacific/status/1621502362262163458?s=61&t=lY0pYVoMu1vCm9StVaGIKg

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


https://twitter.com/phil090614/status/1621502984302784516

Corla Plankun
May 8, 2007

improve the lives of everyone

Sapozhnik posted:

anybody can start a server under their own domain name, then make posts to any other server's users' public timelines, but server operators can also ban your server from interacting with theirs, which is referred to as "defederation".
if anything can be defederated wtf is the point? this just seems like weird vibes-based database sharding that brings none of the benefits that a normal person would collocate with the word "federation"

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


noone is going to de-federate any of the big servers, but its a necessary feature in order to keep nazi planet from making GBS threads up the rest of the galaxy

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

https://twitter.com/beanytuesday/status/1621306523426213888

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

https://twitter.com/edward_steed/status/1621138225824952321

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



i made a mastodon account, please follow me so i dont have to track down all of your mastodon accounts

https://mastodon.sdf.org/@achmed

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


Achmed Jones posted:

i made a mastodon account, please follow me so i dont have to track down all of your mastodon accounts

https://mastodon.sdf.org/@achmed

pity follow

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Agile Vector posted:

oops, movetodon violated a secret rule (being useful) and can't access twitter anymore. i guess those api cutoffs started a week early

https://fedifinder.glitch.me should work for now

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



oh cool i did the fedifinder thing. thanks!

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.
https://twitter.com/ben_rosen/status/1621338720418004992?s=61&t=GtrYSN5aBNpCda9NWZ_7nA

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.
https://twitter.com/ykarps/status/1621567582955339776?s=61&t=GtrYSN5aBNpCda9NWZ_7nA

MrQueasy
Nov 15, 2005

Probiot-ICK
https://twitter.com/ReinH/status/1621717141853732864?s=20

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Video Nasty
Jun 17, 2003

https://twitter.com/Sokeel/status/1619180492527652864

graph
Nov 22, 2006

aaag peanuts

lol

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.
dudes, and i cannot stress this enough, rock

Video Nasty
Jun 17, 2003

:nws:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1622278597565095937

Ornamental Dingbat
Feb 26, 2007

https://twitter.com/SexyUncleDave/status/1622980853969068033?t=tzcuN0a5g-cRP_i0TUAZkw&s=19

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Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



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