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burning swine posted:for example, teams isn't supported on ltsc don't threaten me with a good time
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ltsc v. 21H2 is supported until 2027 you know just sayin' 1809 goes to 2029
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quote:To deliver on the commitment of no changes to features or functionality, a Windows 10 LTSC release does not contain any of the components of Windows 10 that may change over the life of the release. wow i had no idea that part of microsoft was 1. still shipping internet explorer 2. committing to continue supporting internet explorer for a decade
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Feb 25, 2023 02:51
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Imagine being on the Internet explorer security fix team in tyool 2023. Lmao
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Feb 25, 2023 05:56
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the microsoft equivalent of being stationed in siberia
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Feb 25, 2023 05:57
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Internet Explorer is just a shell over MSHTML which is the core windows internal html renderer so its pretty much impossible to remove. I imagine they'll switch to webview2 which is the edge renderer in windows 11 and later.
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Feb 25, 2023 05:59
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echinopsis posted:unfortunately designing a good operating system is at odds with shareholder needs an operating system cannot be good
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git apologist posted:an operating system cannot be good yours, specifically
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Sagebrush posted:Imagine being on the Internet explorer security fix team in tyool 2023. Lmao sounds like a chill job where you can hang out and basically do nothing until 2030 
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Feb 26, 2023 00:02
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Ah, the rooftop guys
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Feb 26, 2023 00:07
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rest and vest
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Feb 27, 2023 05:21
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i love that the default behaviour for "recommended" bundleware poo poo modern apps is to immediately re-install them if they've been removed. good job microsoft, that's definitely what the user intended when they manually removed the app. also excellent design: the three stage click through begging you to check out edge if you try to use anything else for one of its defaults. if i'm in preferences, apps, default apps, select defaults by app, and i've selected an app and i'm choosing the file type i want to change the default for, why are you popping up a prompt asking what app i'd like to use? what the gently caress do you think i've gone though this process to do exactly? what part of this is ambiguous and requires yet another prompt?
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Feb 27, 2023 15:44
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i think the thing that is most apparent in pretty much every microsoft product these days is an overt contempt for the user.
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Feb 27, 2023 16:10
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idk about contempt. i quite like edge (well, best out of a bad set of choices for my use case) but it's existence and it's attitude towards getting you to use it and a lot of its dumber features reeks of pathetic desperation. which is honestly worse.
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Feb 27, 2023 16:27
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yes but linux required me to manually configure a driver once so next to that what is a little bit of wilfully-hostile indignity really
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Feb 27, 2023 16:32
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Sapozhnik posted:yes but linux required me to manually configure a driver once so next to that what is a little bit of wilfully-hostile indignity really what do you mean I need to recompile the kernel to use my network adapter? gently caress it I'm just going back to windows with the default browser
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Feb 27, 2023 16:36
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Sapozhnik posted:yes but linux required me to manually configure a driver once so next to that what is a little bit of wilfully-hostile indignity really ?? what does that have to do with anything, i primarily use edge, complete with snivelling, on linux
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Feb 27, 2023 16:36
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oh, that was in response to the posts above yours sorry
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Feb 27, 2023 17:03
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Sapozhnik posted:oh, that was in response to the posts above yours sorry i know i know, just think the state of the os wars in 2023 remains very funny. at work all linux with a bunch of microsoft user land, at home windows with a bunch of linux userland (in the shape of wsl) all annoying but needs-suiting
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Feb 27, 2023 17:06
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infernal machines posted:i think the thing that is most apparent in pretty much every microsoft product these days is an overt contempt for the user.
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Feb 27, 2023 17:12
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Sapozhnik posted:yes but linux required me to manually configure a driver once so next to that what is a little bit of wilfully-hostile indignity really linux is also rife with poo poo design that is overtly user hostile, for entirely different reasons it's not wasting any less of my time, it's just doing it because this is literally the best they can do
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Feb 27, 2023 17:22
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infernal machines posted:linux is also rife with poo poo design that is overtly user hostile, for entirely different reasons eh, i don't fully agree there, there's definitely some naked contempt for users in linux too (a generality being gnome having some bits where it assumes users too dumb for things that really aren't complex). it's all bad.
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Feb 27, 2023 17:26
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there is a difference between malicious and misguided and while i'm at it gently caress hanlon's razor as well by the way
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:(a generality being gnome having some bits where it assumes users too dumb for things that really aren't complex). oh yeah, there's that too, but they're not doing it to funnel you into subscription services
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Sapozhnik posted:there is a difference between malicious and misguided and while i'm at it gently caress hanlon's razor as well by the way even as a person who uses microsoft products by choice, i'm going to strongly suggest that you do not try to gently caress a razor
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Feb 27, 2023 17:32
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microsoft's ux strategy of "jam toasts and notifications in the user's face that can't be trivially closed without engaging the tutorial process" is certainly a fun and well considered solution to the the problem of "we've rearranged the entire UI including all the commonly used features for the third time this quarter and people are getting mad"
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Feb 27, 2023 17:35
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osx/macos ain't perfect but the fact they've kept usability pretty standard for so long is a huge plus
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Feb 27, 2023 17:42
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infernal machines posted:microsoft's ux strategy of "jam toasts and notifications in the user's face that can't be trivially closed without engaging the tutorial process" is certainly a fun and well considered solution to the the problem of "we've rearranged the entire UI including all the commonly used features for the third time this quarter and people are getting mad"
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Feb 28, 2023 01:32
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It's not even the fact that the advertising integrated into the operating system pisses on my face so often and this is just accepted as a normal thing now that pisses me off, it's the fact that the ui text is just so loving chummy these days. But unfortunately that is not a problem limited to just Microsoft. Wait I'm lying the advertising absolutely pisses me off too. Which is why I Installed Linux when I built my new PC out of amd parts a year ago.
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heya bud, we're just getting things set up for you here and we've got some questions to make sure we get it right *15 options for choosing how invasive their analytics and tracking should be and a mandatory online service sign in* oops, looks like you accidentally deselected the colo-rectal scan option, we'll just turn that back on for you during the next update
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Feb 28, 2023 01:46
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i loved the six-month period where oobe had cortana start talking at full volume the minute you started the process and the way to mute it was by clicking the microphone icon rather than the speaker icon
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infernal machines posted:heya bud, we're just getting things set up for you here and we've got some questions to make sure we get it right My wife's machine just updated itself to Win11 despite months and months of refusing and turning it off. I'm assuming that one of us clicked the wrong pixel in a dark pattern pop-up, but still. (serves me right for not doing hunting down whatever registry key is required to permanently refuse it)
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Feb 28, 2023 02:38
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fun fact, if you use the "target version" windows update registry key in windows 10 and there is a windows 11 build with the same name (say 22h1) it will very happily install windows 11 anyway, and then never update past that build as long as the key is present
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infernal machines posted:i loved the six-month period where oobe had cortana start talking at full volume the minute you started the process and the way to mute it was by clicking the microphone icon rather than the speaker icon lmao i remember that, good times
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microsoft peaked with windows 8 when they hid the shutdown button so well that users had to google how to turn off their computer
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infernal machines posted:microsoft's ux strategy of "jam toasts and notifications in the user's face that can't be trivially closed without engaging the tutorial process" is certainly a fun and well considered solution to the the problem of "we've rearranged the entire UI including all the commonly used features for the third time this quarter and people are getting mad" that is the opposite of a ux strategy, just everyone in their own silo making their own stuff and nobody in the org with the authority to make them stop
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I have a new windows 11 machine at home and it sucks. can’t believe I had to use a registry command to get the old context menu back. that new one is awful. also if I have a folder with videos In it, windows explorer has to like index it each time I load it. the file names all disappear and then slowly reappear one by one. terrible. hmm let’s see, what else… oh yeah the start menu and it’s recommendations is probably the worst iteration of the windows start menu I’ve seen. at least the Lock Screen with the photo background now has text that reads “like the image you see?” instead of just “like what you see?” which sounded sleazy and gross. still think it could probably be shortened to “like this photo?” like a normal person might ask.
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Last Chance posted:hmm let’s see, what else… oh yeah the start menu and it’s recommendations is probably the worst iteration of the windows start menu I’ve seen. maintaining a long streak
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Last Chance posted:hmm let’s see, what else… oh yeah the start menu and it’s recommendations is probably the worst iteration of the windows start menu I’ve seen. well good news! they just added their chatgpt engine to it!
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