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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i still disagree with this, is it useful? no. will it make microsoft money? no. will it drive google to do something insane? yes, probably. will it harm microsoft share prices? probably not. well, okay, so in what sense does it work?
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just as google has shown a willingness to allow their search to degrade and sacrificed its user experience in a million tiny cash-grabs, microsoft has allowed their OS to become creakier, tackier, and constantly mounded with more undesirable features that everybody has to re-disable every time they apply updates. eventually this will catch up with them, but both companies have so much inertia that it'll probably take a decade past their fatal misstep to actually die
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Feb 28, 2023 15:42
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infernal machines posted:well, okay, so in what sense does it work? by causing google to gently caress their one thing up e: to be clear, very specifically responding to this: Beeftweeter posted:ugh, why which suggests that the way it has worked out has been a disappointment to microsoft, which i don't think is the case. Cybernetic Vermin fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Feb 28, 2023 |
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Feb 28, 2023 15:42
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:by causing google to gently caress their one thing up i mean, if anything, google just doesn't have to do anything at all to appear more competent than microsoft right now. the bing ai failures are extremely public, they've tried to defend it, nerf it, tweak it — but it's still quite bad of course google product managers will see it as an existential threat and it might cause them to make search even worse somehow, but they don't need to
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Feb 28, 2023 15:50
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Beeftweeter posted:of course google product managers will see it as an existential threat and it might cause them to make search even worse somehow, but they don't need to has not needing a chat app ever stopped them?
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Feb 28, 2023 15:51
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Internet Janitor posted:just as google has shown a willingness to allow their search to degrade and sacrificed its user experience in a million tiny cash-grabs, microsoft has allowed their OS to become creakier, tackier, and constantly mounded with more undesirable features that everybody has to re-disable every time they apply updates. eventually this will catch up with them, but both companies have so much inertia that it'll probably take a decade past their fatal misstep to actually die microsoft seems to learn from failures like this more than google, or at least they used to when the backlash to windows 8 was in full swing, the result was windows 10. it has flaws, but it's not that bad windows 11 is really, really bad. they're responding by making it even worse. this is the google roadmap
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Feb 28, 2023 15:52
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Internet Janitor posted:has not needing a chat app ever stopped them? i think you will find that google does not have enough chat apps
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Get ready to be amazed! From the company that brought you Clippy and Hot Dog Stand theme comes another earth-shattering product: Tay for Taskbar! Ask it anything and it will explain in excruciating detail how Hitler was right and (((THOSE))) people should actually die.
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Feb 28, 2023 15:53
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Beeftweeter posted:i mean, if anything, google just doesn't have to do anything at all to appear more competent than microsoft right now. the bing ai failures are extremely public, they've tried to defend it, nerf it, tweak it — but it's still quite bad that is true, well, trueish. i think the press for new bing is failing in a way which in most peoples mind will read as "unhinged but obviously advanced", which is immediately much better than current bing mindshare of "the bad google", and at minimum will drive people to try it. but you are 100% correct that the clever thing for google to do is nothing
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refleks posted:Get ready to be amazed! From the company that brought you Clippy and Hot Dog Stand theme comes another earth-shattering product: Tay for Taskbar! at least we can finally have sex with cortana just like in my fanfictions
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Feb 28, 2023 15:56
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bing went from "what if you wanted google to return more scams?" to "at least as good as google" without any significant changes on microsoft's part, so i think you're right, and this is a winning strategy for them
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Shame Boy posted:at least we can finally have sex with cortana just like in my fanfictions no, that's the thing, it's not cortana. they stopped using the name of the video game ai character with toes that went rampant in the stories. idk if the branding change really had that in mind, but considering the performance of the current gpt powered stuff, it's a real shame
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:that is true, well, trueish. i think the press for new bing is failing in a way which in most peoples mind will read as "unhinged but obviously advanced", which is immediately much better than current bing mindshare of "the bad google", and at minimum will drive people to try it. yeah, the other natural language models (i think google's is called lamda?) aren't getting a ton of press, and i haven't played with it myself, but it's clearly something they have been working on but i think that it's not well known is telling. it's probably not ready. GPT seems sophisticated to a normie observer, but most of us know (if only at a high level) how the "magic" works. it's definitely impressive, but it's not magical, and it's certainly not self-aware. it's obviously not suited to most of the tasks people want it to do, because they have no idea what it's capable of. they just assume the magic computer can do everything now imo openai benefited from GPT's debut happening around the same time image processing models started to proliferate. they are visually impressive (again to a "regular" observer) but they suffer from what is essentially the same problem: they are convincing at a glance, but upon examination the illusion completely falls apart people in awe of them just need to think a little more imo (this started out as a specific reply and then veered into a rant, but gently caress it lol)
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Feb 28, 2023 16:06
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cortana was such a classic microsoft move, where the left hand has no idea that the right hand even exists. name your assistant after a character that's evil in the current game and then dead in the next. lmao.
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Feb 28, 2023 16:09
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was it satya that came in and killed it off? in my mind it was tied up with the windows phone saga. very wise, even with my loose interpretation of success used here that particular thing was going nowhere
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Feb 28, 2023 16:11
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halo was extremely popular at the time, even people not really versed in the game lore knew what it was that doesn't make it good branding or even a good name, but it was an existing microsoft property with existing cachet. that's all that matters, really
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Feb 28, 2023 16:12
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I think Cortana was also just a pretty good name for a voice assistant in terms of sounding good and being fairly unique (ignoring the fact that adding a voice assistant to windows was dumb)
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Feb 28, 2023 16:14
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i still disagree with this, is it useful? no. will it make microsoft money? no. will it drive google to do something insane? yes, probably. will it harm microsoft share prices? probably not.
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Feb 28, 2023 16:17
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:it is getting to the point though where i do wonder how much loving electricity they are spending on this. inference is not cheap. Melting ice caps to make 2+2=5 and write real estate ads 
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Feb 28, 2023 16:17
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very appropriate that in 2023 the man behind the curtain is a sociopath that has no idea what it's talking about
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Buck Turgidson posted:Melting ice caps to make 2+2=5 and write real estate ads techbubble.txt
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Beeftweeter posted:very appropriate that in 2023 the man behind the curtain is a sociopath that has no idea what it's talking about
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Buck Turgidson posted:Melting ice caps to make 2+2=5 and write real estate ads yeah, as noted i mostly find this funny, i don't think the flaws in the thing will actually cause much harm (prepared to be wrong for sure), but as resource use it is a massive waste
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Feb 28, 2023 16:28
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the parallels between GPT and NFTs run deep:
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Internet Janitor posted:the parallels between GPT and NFTs run deep: as used in high-profile tech demos yeah, but transformer architectures (the 't' and only really important letter in the gpt abbreviation) absolutely do real things, where nft's 100% do not. machine translation has improved vastly, to name one thing already in everyone's hands. watching them incoherently babble at people is just a really misleading lens to view them through. and where the "this is fine and funny actually" about microsoft shoving the tech demo in everywhere is mostly shitposting i do literally and genuinely believe in that.
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i sent out emails to the 7 sydneys, sidneys, etc i know givin em condolences cuz a tech major jacked their name, like the 2 or 3 alexas i know
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Feb 28, 2023 17:21
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i have heard from people who i would not immediately dismiss as idiots or cranks at large companies saying theyre letting chatgpt-like machines write their unit tests. Anyone seen this irl?
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rotor posted:i have heard from people who i would not immediately dismiss as idiots or cranks at large companies saying theyre letting chatgpt-like machines write their unit tests. I mean, you should if they're doing that
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bob dobbs is dead posted:i sent out emails to the 7 sydneys, sidneys, etc i know givin em condolences cuz a tech major jacked their name, like the 2 or 3 alexas i know cringe
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rotor posted:i have heard from people who i would not immediately dismiss as idiots or cranks at large companies saying theyre letting chatgpt-like machines write their unit tests. Anyone seen this irl? i don't really do coding stuff much these days (or at least i'm trying my hardest not to get sucked back in there lol) but i have heard the same thing, though i have no experience with it imo: this kind of stuff suffers the same problems as it would spitting out a paragraph of analysis. it might superficially seem correct (or it may actually be correct), but you can't trust it. this is probably a slippery slope
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Jonny 290 posted:cringe lol yeah
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https://twitter.com/ThePrimeagen/status/1628047727866126336?s=20
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https://www.statista.com/chart/13907/babies-named-alexa/
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language models might be a useful supplement to normal tests in some situations (fuzzing) but if you're using them as an alternative to writing normal tests it sounds like you don't understand language models or tests
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it'll be whack-a-mole with the names until they consolidate on giving them weirdo names that peeps don't give their kids like cortana
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lol and now alexa is dead wonder how fast there will be a rebound (if any), i can't imagine why people will be nostalgic for a "smart" speaker but i'm certain it will happen because of course it will
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i mean siri did just suggest i might want to do a search on google maps, so assistants still do have a role. i didn't, but, you know, maps sure are a thing.
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rotor posted:i have heard from people who i would not immediately dismiss as idiots or cranks at large companies saying theyre letting chatgpt-like machines write their unit tests.
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imo assistants can be helpful, but that's usually when using it for functionality that's available locally (i.e. setting timers, making initial calendar entries, stuff like that) i'm not sure if it's because of api limitations or because they are not that sophisticated, but ime generally any sort of extended functionality just does not work well
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Beeftweeter posted:lol and now alexa is dead naturally, microsoft is bundling alexa with new windows installs, today. on the same os that still ships with cortana. and now has sidney under the hood as well.
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