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I think there’s a more compelling case to be made from the left than the right in terms of the importance of gun ownership. The only reason it’s allowed in America is that the people that are super into guns are no threat to the status quo
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Martin Luther King applied for a conceal carry permit in Alabama in the 50s. His application was denied by the police and I can’t imagine why
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One more post then I’ll be done: I consider myself a democratic socialist and I don’t know if a revolution is the best or only way to achieve socialism, but this passage from the Jakarta Method stuck with me
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ADINSX posted:One more post then I’ll be done: I consider myself a democratic socialist and I don’t know if a revolution is the best or only way to achieve socialism, but this passage from the Jakarta Method stuck with me thats a good book
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ADINSX posted:One more post then I’ll be done: I consider myself a democratic socialist and I don’t know if a revolution is the best or only way to achieve socialism, but this passage from the Jakarta Method stuck with me that's not self defense they're talking about
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Improbable Lobster posted:that's not self defense they're talking about What would you call it if you were a member of the PKI and a mob was coming to kill you?
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a bad day!
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Improbable Lobster posted:that's not self defense they're talking about what theyre talking about is that there are very few examples in history of a ruling class giving up their power and stepping down without a fight. and yes some of those would have been self defense. the pki wasn't violently exterminated because they attacked first
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ADINSX posted:What would you call it if you were a member of the PKI and a mob was coming to kill you? fart simpson posted:what theyre talking about is that there are very few examples in history of a ruling class giving up their power and stepping down without a fight. Improbable Lobster posted:proactive self defense is an entirely different matter with its own considerations quote:and yes some of those would have been self defense. the pki wasn't violently exterminated because they attacked first if they were violently exterminated then the it didn't defend them did it i do not know anything about the pki
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Not just members, but anyone seen as a sympathizer. People in unions, etc about a quarter of a million people died
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Improbable Lobster posted:if they were violently exterminated then the it didn't defend them did it They were unarmed, that’s what the quote is referring to
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"i dont know anything about this, but im going to argue with you anyway"
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At the time, Ogles—who is listed as the organizer of the fundraiser—said that Lincoln’s Place “will create a place for Lincoln’s new play friends as they wait in Heaven for their families.”
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fart simpson posted:"i dont know anything about this, but im going to argue with you anyway" your wrong.
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President Beep posted:a bad day!
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ADINSX posted:They were unarmed, that’s what the quote is referring to so it's not relevant to my argument? what, do you think that i said that being unarmed would make you bulletproof or something? i would consider something like say, forming a revolutionary militia to fight against a genocide to be significantly different from self defense
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Improbable Lobster posted:i do not know anything about the pki
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fart simpson posted:"i dont know anything about this, but im going to argue with you anyway" "i can't read"
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i'm saying that personal self defense with a gun is a myth. you are saying that an unarmed group had genocide commited against them. it is not a contradiction to my original point
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that quote and that book are not talking about personal self defense
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fart simpson posted:that quote and that book are not talking about personal self defense cool, i was when i said that personal self defense with a gun was a myth
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the pki was nearly exterminated because they didn't arm themselves. some of them merely died in prison so whose to say if it was right or not
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you have made up an argument that i am not making to get mad at
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Beeftweeter posted:the pki was nearly exterminated because they didn't arm themselves. some of them merely died in prison so whose to say if it was right or not well prison is only for bad guys so i think this question answers itself.
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Improbable Lobster posted:you have made up an argument that i am not making to get mad at ADINSX wasn't talking about self-defense in the first place. they were just saying that it's sometimes important (and possibly critical) for leftist revolutionaries to arm themselves, which is what the passage is about the pki was the communist party of indonesia
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Beeftweeter posted:ADINSX wasn't talking about self-defense in the first place. they were just saying that it's sometimes important (and possibly critical) for leftist revolutionaries to arm themselves, which is what the passage is about so, again, not points that contradict each other 
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i'm sorry for being personally responsible for the murder of thousands in indonesia by saying guns aren't self defense tools e: i'm getting too heated for no reason and i'm gonna stay away from this thread and other more "political" ones
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what is all of this about private key infrastructure
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more like phillip k ick, am i right? Woof.
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public key infrastructure? sounds like some communist bullshit to me
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i have never held or shot a gun
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Wow look at this unarmed dork everyone. Totally unprepared to defend his 2004 hyundai sonata from highwaymen
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Beeftweeter posted:ADINSX wasn't talking about self-defense in the first place. they were just saying that it's sometimes important (and possibly critical) for leftist revolutionaries to arm themselves, which is what the passage is about I quoted it because I think the line between “personal self defense” and “armed collective resistance” is not clear A civil rights leader keeping a shotgun in every corner of their home for fear of some nut job firebombing their house? Personal self defense. The black panthers monitoring the Oakland police ready to intervene if needed? A scaled up version of that. A communist party that needs to defend itself against a U.S. appointed right wing dictatorship? A scaled up version of that Those guns don’t just magically appear the second some collectivist action needs to take place, it’s all the same people
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An all of that was just in support of my original comment: that the left has a better claim on the need for firearms than the right. No chud needs an ar15 to keep the government from tyrannying them, the government loves that chud
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eh. theyre kinda whatever to mess around with. i was all "so cool! this is how an AR works!" when i built mine, and then its just over there on the wall. they dont really have any value to everyday life unless youre an insecure dickless maniac
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Jonny 290 posted:eh. theyre kinda whatever to mess around with. i was all "so cool! this is how an AR works!" when i built mine, and then its just over there on the wall. they dont really have any value to everyday life unless youre an insecure dickless maniac I’m not saying the chud shouldn’t have his gun, I’m saying the left has a better reason to own one One more example: a gun to defend yourself against Pinkerton agents, personal self defense. The battle of Blair mountain, collectivist action
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ADINSX posted:I quoted it because I think the line between “personal self defense” and “armed collective resistance” is not clear oh no i got what you mean it probably goes without saying that the distinction between "your life is threatened because you are an armed revolutionary" and "your life is threatened because of your political beliefs" is that one suggests the will to use violent means to achieve political goals and the other does not, it's quite literally personal self-defense. obviously that doesn't matter if your opponents are willing to use force when you are not (which in turn tips using force against them into self-defense imo) but if you are willing to use force on an unarmed political opponent, regardless of belief, then that becomes oppressive. there's no easy answer i think
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ADINSX posted:I think there’s a more compelling case to bemade from the left than the right in terms of the importance of gun ownership. The only reason it’s allowed in America is that the people that are super into guns are no threat to the status quo ADINSX posted:Martin Luther King applied for a conceal carry permit in Alabama in the 50s. His application was denied by the police and I can’t imagine why You opened a ticket right here and closed it within a few minutes
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