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hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

have you meta-moderatedposted a rambling complaint in QCS today?

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gnatalie
Jul 1, 2003

blasting women into space

nvrgrls posted:

Are more people posting in slashdot or in the forums these days

ally oop

looked at slashdot a few months ago, poo poo all sucked hard.

idk forums are slightly higher quality

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

read phoronix comments for the old slashdot grognard feel without it being quite as depressing

constant flamewars about how wayland and systemd is terrible, that sort of thing. very light and breezy entertainment content.

outhole surfer
Mar 18, 2003

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

read phoronix comments for the old slashdot grognard feel without it being quite as depressing

constant flamewars about how wayland and systemd is terrible, that sort of thing. very light and breezy entertainment content.

but wayland and systemd prevent me from using some highly insecure esoteric tool that my entire workflow depends on!

outhole surfer
Mar 18, 2003

life was so much better when any program could read or write from any memory it drat well pleased

gnatalie
Jul 1, 2003

blasting women into space
nice to know people are still unhappy about systemd

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

you’d think they’d all be angry about snaps now

mystes
May 31, 2006

hobbesmaster posted:

you’d think they’d all be angry about snaps now
I'd imagine the anti-systemd people aren't using ubuntu in the first place. They probably randomly hate flatpak though.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

ngl I always think “goddamnit” when I type mount on a Ubuntu system

Plorkyeran
Mar 22, 2007

To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed
the less stupid part of the complaints about systemd is that it's hard to avoid because of a bunch of poo poo that doesn't inherently need to care about your init system depends on it. it's very easy to just not use snaps

Jose Valasquez
Apr 8, 2005

a rare good hn post


esperent 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [–]

"angst". Interesting word. It's always used to dismiss people's anger. But in this case we're talking about anger at our climate being damaged, our home, earth, the only place we have to live. And for what? To generate fake (or not fake, who cares) electronic currency. This anger is not misdirected, it's laser focused on you greedy fucks who think it's ok to use 120,000 computers for this bullshit. You deserve anger and scorn for this, as you scurry around with excuses like "it's not just us", or "that electricity was just lying around unused".
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outhole surfer
Mar 18, 2003

quote:

I think the level of racism and sexism on HN is roughly optimal. It isn't enough to drive people away, but discussions are still allowed. Too much and you create a racist/sexist monoculture.

outhole surfer
Mar 18, 2003

quote:

t2hrow 1 hour ago | root | parent | prev | next [–]


Taking a shower is easy, but performing mental gymnastics 24/7 not to be have a sexist or antisemitic thought would drain my energy.


this whole thread...

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005


lol, this about as pure as telling on yourself can get without it being literal in the text.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
hn thread: optimal racism levels

ugh.

Qwertycoatl
Dec 31, 2008

my god that thread

quote:

Beliefs that are labelled as racism, transphobia, and sexism are often sensible beliefs. Combined with smelling bad, they imply to me in a person a prioritisation of sincere intellectual pursuit over popularity and financial success/social success more generally.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


hn and all, but what the gently caress?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Qwertycoatl posted:

my god that thread

that is the definition of poe’s law right there

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


Qwertycoatl posted:

my god that thread

No way this isn't a failed attempt at a joke

mystes
May 31, 2006

Unfortunately, that stuff all seems pretty average for HN though?

TrashMammal
Nov 10, 2022

someperson 1 hour ago | prev | next [–]

If a signature from Harrison Ford sells for $750/each, why do actors keep making autographs for free to a small number of charismatic middle-men who clearly are just selling the signatures?
Why don't the actors sell exclusive access to autographs to a more organized cartel that can better control the supply and provide the actors a bigger cut of the profits?

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

mirekrusin 10 minutes ago | prev | next [–]

ChatGPT 5+ should be able to defend itself in court, support suing itself, help to draft new law and everything in between. We’re for interesting ride here for sure. Legal system won’t keep up with the pace things are changing. They can aid themselves with some AI though.
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Ruffian Price
Sep 17, 2016

it really is the simpsons disco scene but with "number of parameters" on the chart

Internet Janitor
May 17, 2008

"That isn't the appropriate trash receptacle."
"if this venture capital environment continues,"

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

“your banks are dead”

tracecomplete
Feb 26, 2017

a genuinely good, no-notes HN post

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1attice 24 minutes ago | unvote | parent | prev | next [–]

[EDIT: 2023-03-19@20:12PDT : s/esteem/respect/g, to match Rawls' usage.]

The anger you notice is not context-free. People are shouty because:

- There are livelihoods at stake

- Worse, there are systems of respect at stake, many of which underwrite people (artists, coders, etc) feeling good about themselves. Rawls is a great reference point for this; feeling like you can contribute meaningfully (in a way that is meaningful for you) is one of the prereqs for social stability (said Rawls: https://academic.oup.com/book/32571/chapter-abstract/2703665...)

- We tech bros (or bras, in my case) do have a notable pattern of disrupting-for-profit. I mean, even middlebrow fare like _Glass Onion_ now casts us as villains at worst, and stooges and best, and it would be good to slow down for a moment to consider if they might be seeing something real about us. (Ask an NYC taxi medallion holder.)

- Creatives, especially, were already at a profound breaking point, one that is not easily communicated to those outside the disciplines in question; see https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53935644-the-death-of-th... . It was created by, yes, our industry, and began in the nineties, before at least some of the readership here was born, and picked up steam ever decade thereafter.

Much like the early days of climate change reportage in oil/gas sector, the historic & intersubjectively verifiable externalities of our industry's (frankly incredible) progress feel ego-dystonic. It doesn't seem fair that something as fun as what we do could cause immiseration.

This --- to draw a tidy circle --- is because tech progress is part of our self-respect. And non-harming is part of most non-sociopathic self-respect, including our own. This is, in a word, a threat to our sense of self. A threat to our identity, and worse, a risk of moral injury.

'Moral injury' -- the harm to the self that comes from having done something wrong or harmful to someone else -- is one of the most profound roots of, e.g. PTSD in soldiers, and most humans intuitively avoid it at any cost.

One inefficient way of avoiding it is to avoid admitting that you did anything wrong, for example, by shouting back that you didn't do anything wrong.

In the long term, this works out about as well as you'd expect.

--

A quick closing word about the comments on the parent that advocate a sensible calm sit-down to work out solutions:

People are absolutely not going to have a quiet sit-down about how to fix this problem because we all know full well that very few liberal democracies remain functional enough to stickhandle everyone through such an enormous change. The USA, for example, can barely pass a budget; you think that you can get UBI through? Which would still do nothing about that Rawlsian self-respect, which, again, is just as significant to a healthy human as air, water, or food (and is therefore vital to social stability, in the same way that a steady supply of food is vital.)

Shouting is one of the few avenues left for self-expression, and thus, self-respect. No one wants to go quietly, and 'going' -- whether it be from a job, a career, a family, or even a home -- is quite clearly what is now in the cards for a great many.

And they are shouting at us because we do this poo poo on the regular. But never like this before. We went large with it. Did we ever.

I am certain the AI freaks being talked to will read and internalize it. Yep. That'll happen.

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

thrown123098 4 hours ago | undown | parent | context | flag | on: Ask HN: Why do many CS graduates lack foundational...

My computer is very much a Turing machine since each time it runs out of disk space I can buy more disks. The fact you think a Turing machine has infinite memory rather than finite but arbitrarily large memory tells me all I need to know about the sorry state of your theoretical education.

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


fritz posted:

thrown123098 4 hours ago | undown | parent | context | flag | on: Ask HN: Why do many CS graduates lack foundational...

My computer is very much a Turing machine since each time it runs out of disk space I can buy more disks. The fact you think a Turing machine has infinite memory rather than finite but arbitrarily large memory tells me all I need to know about the sorry state of your theoretical education.

such an intelligent poster that I can tell he smells bad

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

fritz posted:

thrown123098 4 hours ago | undown | parent | context | flag | on: Ask HN: Why do many CS graduates lack foundational...

My computer is very much a Turing machine since each time it runs out of disk space I can buy more disks. The fact you think a Turing machine has infinite memory rather than finite but arbitrarily large memory tells me all I need to know about the sorry state of your theoretical education.

clearly 123098 wasn’t enough throwing

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


fritz posted:

thrown123098 4 hours ago | undown | parent | context | flag | on: Ask HN: Why do many CS graduates lack foundational...

My computer is very much a Turing machine since each time it runs out of disk space I can buy more disks. The fact you think a Turing machine has infinite memory rather than finite but arbitrarily large memory tells me all I need to know about the sorry state of your theoretical education.

I wonder why he thinks that's a relevant distinction, but not enough to actually go ask.

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

euroderf 5 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–]

All this implies that shields and/or "lasers" employ massive amounts of energy. Yet both are man-portable. What gives ?
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wordyskeleton 5 days ago | root | parent | next [–]

big worm on sand planet make spice that give prophetic ability. yet this is not how worms work. what gives?

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



Maximo Roboto posted:

euroderf 5 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–]

All this implies that shields and/or "lasers" employ massive amounts of energy. Yet both are man-portable. What gives ?
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wordyskeleton 5 days ago | root | parent | next [–]

big worm on sand planet make spice that give prophetic ability. yet this is not how worms work. what gives?

YOSPOS > hn: big worm on sand planet

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

gorwell 3 days ago | parent | next [–]

It's clear you don't understand or don't want to understand.
If the existing organization wanted a union, it would have established the union itself.
If it did not, it's parasitizion of an existing organism.
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Poopernickel
Oct 28, 2005

electricity bad
Fun Shoe
is anybody here on lobsters? I see interesting articles there pretty often, and I'd love to join a couple of the discussions.

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

bertil 2 hours ago | next [–]

I’m all for holding companies that have supported dangerous regimes to account. However, when it comes to data management, totalitarian regimes rarely indicate inadequate implementation. IBM’s role in Germany in the 40s was horrific, but it proved their ideas of tabulations and files were promising. Just like with rocketry, there were many valuable things to learn that defined the rest of the XXth century.
The FSB likely has a lot of crimes to atone for. Still, suppose one of their specialists publishes something on data management or how to manage hundreds of sock-puppet social media accounts. In that case, I’d be tempted to listen and learn from a likely expert—unless you suspect that they think this article is not sincere and meant as a distraction from actual good practices.
Similarly, the CIA has done very problematic things, but the people who worked in the disguise department have a creative take on changing your appearance. I’m unsure when I would have to do that, but I’m always curious about how data is stored efficiently. And yes, like the FSB, the NSA has opinions about that, and those are typically well-informed.
Was their practice constitutional? Seemingly not, IANAL. But do they have good insights into caching video files at scale? Definitely.
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Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana

fritz posted:

hn thread: IBM’s role in Germany in the 40s was horrific, but it proved their ideas of tabulations and files were promising.

matti
Mar 31, 2019

Dans Macabre
Apr 24, 2004


motohagiography 3 minutes ago | next [–]

The two reasons I disagree with publishing salaries and "ranges" are that a) the implicit collusion creates mean reversion that disadvantages talent, who can afford to leave and go where they are valued and b) the values behind it presume that a job is something paternalistic granted by a manager in return for supplication, and not due consideration for value offered. Together these create a race to the bottom in office culture, where people optimize to compete not on competence and value, but on debasing themselves and attrition with others.

Sure, if you are doing government work, (which is basically a sinecure anyway) this is fine, but any country that implements it will only ever be a kind of outsourced piecework shop, like a maquilladora or "friendshoring," where the real talent who manages the work and handles the money will be in places with rational incentives.

Its a Rolex
Jan 23, 2023

Hey, posting is posting. You emptyquote, I turn my monitor on; what's the difference?

fritz posted:

bertil 2 hours ago | next [–]

I’m all for holding companies that have supported dangerous regimes to account. However, when it comes to data management, totalitarian regimes rarely indicate inadequate implementation. IBM’s role in Germany in the 40s was horrific, but it proved their ideas of tabulations and files were promising. Just like with rocketry, there were many valuable things to learn that defined the rest of the XXth century.
The FSB likely has a lot of crimes to atone for. Still, suppose one of their specialists publishes something on data management or how to manage hundreds of sock-puppet social media accounts. In that case, I’d be tempted to listen and learn from a likely expert—unless you suspect that they think this article is not sincere and meant as a distraction from actual good practices.
Similarly, the CIA has done very problematic things, but the people who worked in the disguise department have a creative take on changing your appearance. I’m unsure when I would have to do that, but I’m always curious about how data is stored efficiently. And yes, like the FSB, the NSA has opinions about that, and those are typically well-informed.
Was their practice constitutional? Seemingly not, IANAL. But do they have good insights into caching video files at scale? Definitely.
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https://twitter.com/dril/status/831805955402776576?s=20

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fritz
Jul 26, 2003

mintaka5 38 minutes ago [–]

a document-based blockchain would curb publishers hard. the CDL is sadly a lousy way to implement lending, as it doesn't offer reassurance that people borrowing documents aren't replicating them. everyone lost their minds making silly useless NFTs of lovely artwork, but did any of those "geniuses" in the dying publishing empire bother to implement any NFTs of their publications? no instead they bitched about libraries being the number one cause of their profit losses (which is an absolute LIE). the problem isn't lending books (in whatever medium) the problem is a lack of an effective brain trust in the upper echelons of industry to embrace tech and use it to innovate and prosper. there is no reason why books can't be woven into a blockchain, and then license the usage to libraries for lending. everyone wins!

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