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i think the origin of that was all the 1st party microsoft poo poo that resets your app preferences and defaults, behaving in the same way malware did in the 9x-win 7 days, where they would hijack your various settings to point to their services or apps
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infernal machines posted:like, OP does not think it's too hard to install linux. they're making fun of people in this thread who refuse to install linux. same as they were the last, idk, four or five times they posted that exact same thing in this thread. check their post history lol ok point taken. still, it's pretty easy and the performance is usually just as good as windows, possibly better on older hardware Cybernetic Vermin posted:which ones are the malware? see edit, i'm not even sure what they're actually referring to. if it's the third party stuff, idk. i never let it install. if it's the analytics, then yeah, that's not malware per se but the behavior isn't what i'd categorize as "good"
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Sapozhnik posted:this isn't the linux thread but fwiw i have an amd rx 6700xt card and if you don't do any ray tracing gimmick crap then it runs everything just fine at max settings at 1080p60. and it makes a pretty good go of running most things at 1440p144 if i forget to kick the settings down or don't bother or whatever. i don't have any RT games but supposedly that already works-ish on the open source amd drivers as well. the nvidia drivers work fine in pop_os, but you do have to use specific distros if you don't want to deal with broken nerd poo poo. the performance is very nearly equivalent even using RTX features, with the primary difference being that the low end framerate is a lot lower, so it can be noticeable at times. i did a test build with a 3080, running cyberpunk 2077 and control at 4k, with ray tracing and using dlss, and everything worked and was within ~10fps on average of the same system on windows. the biggest visible feature deficiency i've seen is the lack of hdr support.
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infernal machines posted:i think the origin of that was all the 1st party microsoft poo poo that resets your app preferences and defaults, behaving in the same way malware did in the 9x-win 7 days, where they would hijack your various settings to point to their services or apps at any rate it's pretty unseemly. yeah a lot of people might appreciate that there's shortcuts to apps that they might want to download but the rest of us (or at least, *points at thread* us) don't want a bunch of third party crapware clogging up a clean install of an os, professional edition or no. it's still a pain in the rear end to remove and there have been more and more shortcuts cropping up with every major os update
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oh, it's absolute bullshit. i've said it before, but it's just straight up contempt for the user. why even allow us to change these settings if you're just going to periodically reset them to whatever? just go full osx and don't even present the option. the fact that the default behaviour after every feature update is to reinstall all the bundled apps is also pretty on the nose. they're not even receiving updates because of the feature update, the modern app update mechanism is part of windows store, it's completely separate. it's entirely a "gently caress you, you're gonna look at this poo poo because we've sold that to our partners" infernal machines fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Mar 22, 2023 |
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for sure for sure, microsoft has a bloody nose coming from the way they are treating that poo poo
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fyi, any settings configured through local policy will never ever outside of insane circumstances be touched by windows update or anything other than domain group policy (because that is the point of policy). last time i rebuilt my home PC i installed windows, updated it to latest, fired up gpedit.msc and just went through all the poo poo and disabled all the garbage. tedious? yes. effective? definitely.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:for sure for sure, microsoft has a bloody nose coming from the way they are treating that poo poo well, they definitely don't care what users think of it. just like they don't care what users think of constant ux/ui changes, or rolling releases, or feature creep in every product, or cramming their gpt model into every nook and cranny of every product they make. they don't give a gently caress. they do things, the users will put up with it. no one is moving off ms platforms because of this poo poo.
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Pile Of Garbage posted:fyi, any settings configured through local policy will never ever outside of insane circumstances be touched by windows update or anything other than domain group policy (because that is the point of policy). last time i rebuilt my home PC i installed windows, updated it to latest, fired up gpedit.msc and just went through all the poo poo and disabled all the garbage. this is the way i deal with everything too, with the caveat that they've moved more and more of the annoying poo poo into the enterprise sku only, because gently caress you, windows was too cheap so now you pay for pro, and software assurance, and enterprise, if you don't want us cramming this poo poo up your rear end.
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pro is enough to avoid basically all bullshit. these days enterprise really only gets you advanced security features (Defender for Endpoint, etc.) edit: also companies aren't even buying devices with enterprise installed and just rely on the upgrade that M365 Enterprise E5 subscription provides. Pile Of Garbage fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Mar 22, 2023 |
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it doesn't completely disable everything. like infernal said they will reinstall the garbage app shortcuts after every major update (i guess they're the equivalent of service packs now?) even if you tell it not to they won't fully install of course, but the shortcuts are there. at least ime
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Beeftweeter posted:it doesn't completely disable everything. like infernal said they will reinstall the garbage app shortcuts after every major update (i guess they're the equivalent of service packs now?) even if you tell it not to shortcuts i've not seen, but i don't doubt it, i detest going through the "are you sure you don't want some defaults" bits enough to be bitter though.
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Pile Of Garbage posted:pro is enough to avoid basically all bullshit. these days enterprise really only gets you advanced security features (Defender for Endpoint, etc.) there are a list of ui specific gpos that only apply to enterprise. i know this because i build this poo poo for work and streamlining the user first run is one of the things that's become progressively more annoying with every windows feature release since 1507
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ive never experienced random app shortcuts appearing anywhere in my start menu or elsewhere since using win10 and win11 for like years. only exception is sometimes new apps will get installed but i just uninstall them and they stay uninstalled. idk what magic combination of settings affords me this luxury. i usually disable all suggested and recommended start menu poo poo, maybe that's part of it.
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here: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/client-management/group-policies-for-enterprise-and-education-editionsquote:Configure Spotlight on lock screen
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the start menu one says it can be applied to pro as of 1703 
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that is not a comprehensive list, there are actually more, and in traditional microsoft fashion, finding them in documentation is a scavenger hunt
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like idk i wont deny that windows is a big POS but if you take time to tediously configure poo poo as i apparently have then it becomes a static normal semi-poo poo OS
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Pile Of Garbage posted:ive never experienced random app shortcuts appearing anywhere in my start menu or elsewhere since using win10 and win11 for like years. only exception is sometimes new apps will get installed but i just uninstall them and they stay uninstalled. what country do you live in? apparently the worst of this sewage is only dumped on people living in the us
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AU. we use the same install media as US, just diff regional options.
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install media don't mean poo poo when these features are applied post install by online services that the system connects to as part of the oobe. they are region specific, based on your physical location and the country you select during the oobe wizard the one way to 100% prevent that is to do an offline install, and then disable all of the content management features (per user), via a combination of GPO and registry keys (because windows does not enforce all the content management gpos for non-enterprise skus)
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basically yeah. also all the appx installations are per-user anyway so rip. that said if you're in enterprise then you can do autopilot deploys which loving rule
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the number of people who care enough and are knowledgeable enough to deploy gpos to fix this has to be a very small proportion of the install base anyway so it feels like it's actively spiteful. most people really do not Computer much at all, they just use computer. and crapware has been a fact of life on all non-Apple computing devices for decades now. the only real difference is that microsoft decided that if there's going to be crapware on computers running their OS anyway then they may as well get their beak wet too.
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pretty much. i recently did a design for an environment that's PSPF Zone 2 (OFFICIAL: Sensitive, IDK what the US/UK equivalent is) and a very big part of it was just disabling poo poo. the AU DTA takes the same stance with their blueprint for PROTECTED deployments which includes a script to strip garbage unauthorised apps: https://desktop.gov.au/assets/files/abac/RemoveBuiltInApps.txt
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it's not about individual users, microsoft has been loving over the pro sku specifically to target small and medium businesses that weren't already on enterprise. they want to funnel these businesses into microsoft 365 subscriptions for windows. to that end, they just keep making GBS threads up pro with more and more poo poo from home, and prevent you from disabling or automating removal, because gently caress you, pay me, again. every month.
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Allow Telemetry being set to none is only honored by Enterprise and Education SKUs. By default Microsoft gets every Window.Title ("app state change") and that's no goood VDP1 fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Mar 23, 2023 |
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Pile Of Garbage posted:pretty much. i recently did a design for an environment that's PSPF Zone 2 (OFFICIAL: Sensitive, IDK what the US/UK equivalent is) and a very big part of it was just disabling poo poo. the AU DTA takes the same stance with their blueprint for PROTECTED deployments which includes a script to strip garbage unauthorised apps: https://desktop.gov.au/assets/files/abac/RemoveBuiltInApps.txt  calculatortechnically secure, since you can no longer pop calc
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lol i actually had to push new notepad back to the clients via intune. at least that poo poo is kinda straightforward and you just pick the store app in intune instead of uploading some mystery MSIX.
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just use the wine equivalents  joking aside i did do that back in the xp days on a school network to get around gp restrictions, regedit also. they worked
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:just to check in, do you too argue that windows ships with "literal actual malware" sure, but unlike linux it has working drivers and native games
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r u ready to WALK posted:goddammit microsoft you had one job just google "d3dx11_69.dll download" and copy it into C:\Games\Posting Simulator 2009\ like a normal person
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is it not possible to make outlook show the entire thread* in the reader pane so i can just scroll up down to see every mail without clicking them like a animal like in gmail and mail.app?? * "conversations" lmao 
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turn off conversation view (view tab -> untick "show as conversations") they've moved this, again.
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not in the list view, the reader pane where the email content is displayed. i want them one above the other so I don't have to click between each individual mail to read them
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turning off conversations does both, or at least it does on the specific build and ui a/b scenario i'm on with outlook 365 right now
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if you have the "modern outlook" ui redesign this may no longer be true, that fisher price bullshit apes the outlook for mac style and god knows what the gently caress they've done with it so if you have the outlook preview tunred on, turn that off. if you don't have the outlook preview turned on and you still have that interface, format your hard drive and install linux, because there's no reliable way to get any specific ui in modern click to run office apps unless you use the deferred release channel and install one that doesn't have it and also never update infernal machines fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Mar 23, 2023 |
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lol ok thanks
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VDP1 posted:Allow Telemetry being set to none is only honored by Enterprise and Education SKUs. Thanks, I'm having our MSP do this. Luv 2 pay for Enterprise so I can disable the start menu web results and telemetry.
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if your MSP manages your SOE and you have to ask them to remove dogshit garbage from the SOE then they're not managing your SOE lol. also the only good SOEs are gonna be done by those who aren't bereft of imagination or curiosity. you literally need someone who thinks "hmm i wonder what that setting does, oh neat it does thing, lets make it do other thing" because the whole thing is so broad and sparsely documented.
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xpost:ultrafilter posted:https://twitter.com/zacbowden/status/1643594814120656897 lol good poo poo
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