Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Pikehead
Dec 3, 2006

Looking for WMDs, PM if you have A+ grade stuff
Fun Shoe
I did Army Reserve training some *mumble* years ago and have some stuff from our grenade training:

* One of the recruits wasn't particularily bright but definitely worked as hard as he could. That said, the Corporal assigned to train this guy to throw grenades had to have a breather after the actual throwing.
* One of the grenades failed to explode and the range staff thought it was great. It was late in the day and they had to wait an hour before they did anything, which meant that they got EDO pay on top of their normal pay, and because of the lateness everything was at double or triple the normal rate.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

What do you do if a grenade duds in actual combat? Just try to remember where it is so you can avoid standing there? Throw another grenade at it?

MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012

Hope it doesn't become a not-dud when the enemy throws it back at you.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

The Lone Badger posted:

What do you do if a grenade duds in actual combat? Just try to remember where it is so you can avoid standing there? Throw another grenade at it?

It's someone's else's problem, time later. You might have to handle it after a smaller fight, but most of the time, someone else takes care of it. That was rare in my experience.

After a battle, it will come down to variables, but generally, a unit will come behind and deal with it. During my time at war, following a contact, an exploitation team will follow up. It would be a unit that will include a security team, EOD, intelligence people, mortuary specialists, engineers- a group of people to clean up the mess guys like me left behind.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Video reminds me of a funny event:

We were all in the motor pool at 2230 or so on a Friday after a 2+ week training exercise, in the process of being told no one was going home until they found the missing radio, missing from the unit we all kind of disliked anyway. BN commander is agitated, but still talking reasonably to the formation and then--

"YO, I KNOW YA'LL ARE HAVING A ROUGH NIGHT, BUT SOMEONE'S GOTTA PAY FOR THESE PIZZAS!!!"

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

mlmp08 posted:

"YO, I KNOW YA'LL ARE HAVING A ROUGH NIGHT, BUT SOMEONE'S GOTTA PAY FOR THESE PIZZAS!!!"

*stares expectantly at the highest pay grades*

Like, you make 2-3x what the grunts are pulling in, buy some loving 'za for your guys.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
For clarity, that was the pizza guy bellowing over the Battalion commander from the sidelines in a very funny interruption to the commander saying we were locked down for the foreseeable future.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless
Oh, lol, that's an extra layer of funny then.

armpit_enjoyer
Jan 25, 2023

my god. it's full of posts

mlmp08 posted:

For clarity, that was the pizza guy bellowing over the Battalion commander from the sidelines in a very funny interruption to the commander saying we were locked down for the foreseeable future.

As he should. Pizza delivery guys outrank battalion commanders, last I checked.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
If a police car, an ambulance, a fire engine—all with sirens on—a USPS van, and a pizza delivery car all reach an intersection at the same time, the pizza delivery car has the right-of-way.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





mlmp08 posted:

For clarity, that was the pizza guy bellowing over the Battalion commander from the sidelines in a very funny interruption to the commander saying we were locked down for the foreseeable future.

That pizza guy owns

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Probably still true, but years ago Fort Huachuca Papa John's would deliver to grid references. Pretty cool for our FTX, and they got super big tips.

Itchy_Grundle
Feb 22, 2003

Wingnut Ninja posted:

*stares expectantly at the highest pay grades*

Like, you make 2-3x what the grunts are pulling in, buy some loving 'za for your guys.

The officers always paid for late night bullshit detail pizza...

...then we were made fun of behind our backs for buying pizza.

not caring here
Feb 22, 2012

blazemastah 2 dry 4 u

bird food bathtub posted:

Probably still true, but years ago Fort Huachuca Papa John's would deliver to grid references. Pretty cool for our FTX, and they got super big tips.

Fort Knox as well absolutely would. I heard that at Benning as well, but never saw it.

It was one Fort Knox guy they would send out, he was prior E and knew the FTX sites well.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



not caring here posted:

Fort Knox as well absolutely would. I heard that at Benning as well, but never saw it.

It was one Fort Knox guy they would send out, he was prior E and knew the FTX sites well.

I heard of it at Benning too, specifically the little area where IOBC would set up for their FTXs.

Punished Ape
Sep 17, 2021
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/05/us/fbi-us-army-personnel-raid-wrong-room-hotel-guest/index.html

cnn posted:

Members of the FBI and the US Army Special Operations Command who were conducting a training exercise in downtown Boston raided the wrong hotel room and detained the person inside before realizing their mistake, the FBI said in a statement to CNN.

The FBI said its Boston division was helping the military with a training exercise around 10 p.m. Tuesday “to simulate a situation their personnel might encounter in a deployed environment.”

“Based on inaccurate information, they were mistakenly sent to the wrong room and detained an individual, not the intended role player,” the FBI said.

“First and foremost, we’d like to extend our deepest apologies to the individual who was affected by the training exercise,” USASOC Lt. Col. Mike Burns told CNN.

The exercise was meant to “enhance soldiers’ skills to operate in realistic and unfamiliar environments,” Burns said, adding the incident is under review.

No one was injured, the FBI said.

The incident took place at the Revere Hotel Boston Common, according to the Boston Police Department. CNN has reached out to the hotel for comment.

A Boston police incident report said officers were called to the hotel around 12:20 a.m. Wednesday, and were met by law enforcement agents conducting a training exercise.

Local news reports said the person who was in the hotel room and detained by federal law enforcement is a Delta Air Lines employee.

The Atlanta-based airline told CNN it is looking into the “alleged incident in Boston that may involve Delta people.”

When I was in Germany, they were doing one of those giant MASCAS events that was supposed to culminate in a simulated nuclear strike (lol). It started with simulated protests and at one point they told me to detain 'a suspicious individual' outside one of our gates. They had some local German roleplayers involved and the individual would be wearing a red sweater. So I look around for a while, and I see an older lady in a red jacket go into an apartment building. It wasn't immediately obvious they were a roleplayer, so I call back to confirm that they want me, an armed American soldier, to leave post and enter a civilian building and detain a civilian. They say yes.

I started having premonitions of ways this could go, so I just sat in my jeep for 15 minutes before radioing back that I couldn't find her. Never heard anything about it.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



Punished Ape posted:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/05/us/fbi-us-army-personnel-raid-wrong-room-hotel-guest/index.html

When I was in Germany, they were doing one of those giant MASCAS events that was supposed to culminate in a simulated nuclear strike (lol). It started with simulated protests and at one point they told me to detain 'a suspicious individual' outside one of our gates. They had some local German roleplayers involved and the individual would be wearing a red sweater. So I look around for a while, and I see an older lady in a red jacket go into an apartment building. It wasn't immediately obvious they were a roleplayer, so I call back to confirm that they want me, an armed American soldier, to leave post and enter a civilian building and detain a civilian. They say yes.

I started having premonitions of ways this could go, so I just sat in my jeep for 15 minutes before radioing back that I couldn't find her. Never heard anything about it.

Soldier thinks before acting, hesitation problem, disrupts own ooda loop, sets bad example for peers. Do not promote.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

Soldier thinks before acting, hesitation problem, disrupts own ooda loop, sets bad example for peers. Do not promote.

This is the hardest thing I tried to teach newer soldiers- take the second to decide, because you don't get it back, and you will forever yearn for the luxury after. It fits hand in hand with don't moving faster than you can process info.


It's a weird balancing act because you do not want hesitation when confronted with a Lethal threat, but you want them slow enough to realize that not every perceived threat is a really lethal.

Steezo
Jun 16, 2003
Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!


bulletsponge13 posted:

It fits hand in hand with don't moving faster than you can process info.



This is a lot more succinct than my broken brain could explain this, I'm stealing it for later.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

bird food bathtub posted:

Probably still true, but years ago Fort Huachuca Papa John's would deliver to grid references. Pretty cool for our FTX, and they got super big tips.

:patriot:

honda whisperer
Mar 29, 2009

bulletsponge13 posted:

It fits hand in hand with don't moving faster than you can process info.

I've been trying to explain to coworkers that I appreciate the hustle but you made it worse, and that made it click.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

:nsa:

shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Apr 7, 2023

Steezo
Jun 16, 2003
Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!



why does 4chan look like a shittier FYAD?

Somebody fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Apr 7, 2023

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Steezo posted:

why does 4chan look like a shittier FYAD?

because that's almost exactly what it is.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
Not almost.

in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

FrozenVent posted:

Not almost.

4chan is an active community tho

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
Also FYAD is funny.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Well who the info saying was going well for?

Malachite_Dragon
Mar 31, 2010

Weaving Merry Christmas magic

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Also FYAD is funny.

Citation needed

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.

Crab Dad posted:

Well who the info saying was going well for?

If you hold any sort of clearance you shouldn't be discussing it until it's declassified or at the very least an official source makes a public comment about that data.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Crab Dad posted:

Well who the info saying was going well for?

Ukraine

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


A.o.D. posted:

If you hold any sort of clearance you shouldn't be discussing it until it's declassified or at the very least an official source makes a public comment about that data.

Eh my mistake I thought the article was like the reporting of the war thunder leaks.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.

Crab Dad posted:

Eh my mistake I thought the article was like the reporting of the war thunder leaks.

I have to sit through a damned controlled information course every year. In my line of work I'm most likely to run into PII, non-export, or trade secrets, but half of the course is about secret classifications, and the gist is that if you believe it to be sensitive information, you are required to treat it as such NO MATTER WHERE YOU ENCOUNTERED THE INFORMATION. That means if it's a SECRET document and they're talking about it on 60 minutes and you reasonably believe it is not declassified, don't loving talk about it. The Feds couldn't touch the NYT, but if you're a clearance holder, a piv badge holder, and a government facility access haver, you can lose all of those. If you're military, you could face NJP, a Court Martial, and/or an end of promotion opportunities, and there's gently caress all recourse you have if it gets to that point.

Splode
Jun 18, 2013

put some clothes on you little freak

A.o.D. posted:

I have to sit through a damned controlled information course every year. In my line of work I'm most likely to run into PII, non-export, or trade secrets, but half of the course is about secret classifications, and the gist is that if you believe it to be sensitive information, you are required to treat it as such NO MATTER WHERE YOU ENCOUNTERED THE INFORMATION. That means if it's a SECRET document and they're talking about it on 60 minutes and you reasonably believe it is not declassified, don't loving talk about it. The Feds couldn't touch the NYT, but if you're a clearance holder, a piv badge holder, and a government facility access haver, you can lose all of those. If you're military, you could face NJP, a Court Martial, and/or an end of promotion opportunities, and there's gently caress all recourse you have if it gets to that point.

This is great though because if you're a civilian you can just make up any old poo poo and nobody can correct you.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

The lies run free while the truth is covered in secrecy.

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

https://twitter.com/MPRnews/status/1644346792631304198?t=2jPv9MZENLw0IRoejo4dfQ&s=19

"Oops."

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Double post but stealing this from the r/relationships thread (which is actually 40% r/relationships and 60% r/AmITheAsshole)

Evil Willow posted:

AITA for falsely accusing a veteran of stolen valor, when she couldn't give any details about her service?

quote:

I (34m) served as a Captain in the Marine Corps. I have left the service, and right now I am doing an MBA. One of my classmates (31F), who we'll call "J", is very gentle, very soft-spoken and unassuming. J and I were working together on a case study once, and I started opening up to her about my military service and all the lessons that I've learnt from the Corps. J enthusiastically told me "that's so cool! I was a Surface Warfare Officer in the Navy!"

I immediately felt suspicious about this claim. As I said, J is very demure, and she doesn't really have the bravado that is required in the military environment (at least, I feel like a certain amount of bravado is required). I still humored her, and began asking about the details of her military experience - where she deployed, what courses she went through, what ship she served on, etc etc. Suddenly J got all tight-lipped, and she couldn't say anything specific about military life. She kept making excuses along the lines of "it just wasn't a good period of my life" and "I'd rather not talk about it". Eventually I felt like I had done enough snooping around, and I bluntly told her that she was bullshitting, and that I'd rather not work with a phony.

I talked about this experience with my friend, M, at our school's veterans organization. I told M to be wary of anything J says. M responded by telling me that J did serve, he's seen her paperwork and ID and everything, and that in fact, one of her MBA recommendation letters was written by a retired rear admiral (O-8) who held J in high regard. Whoops.

The next time I met J, before our class started, I tried to act chummy towards her and make up for accusing her of being a liar. She laughed in my face and told me to "pound sand, poolee". And for those of you who don't know, yes, she was being derisive here.

AITA?

Kurieg posted:

Hah, you say you're a veteran? Name three wars. I thought not.

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

Malachite_Dragon posted:

Citation needed

Literally every other board on SA copies poo poo from fyad

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


Grip it and rip it posted:

Literally every other board on SA copies poo poo from fyad

Maybe 15 years ago.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.




Not surprised he was found insane, who the gently caress would willingly get into a bus full of children?

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply