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aardvaard posted:i think it's silly how much people look for psychological explanations for fascism, as if it's a certain behavior we just need to teach people to avoid, instead of a reactionary movement arising when traditional capitalism is plainly unable to keep society running. so the only options are either use immense violence to keep the system in order or replace the system, and so capitalists put their weight behind fascists to crush the workers' movement before it can crush the capitalists. no, impatience and impotence is how they justify fascism to themselves to protect their ego from criticism via deflection as a defence mechanism -- by redefining what fascism is to themselves and re-positioning themselves victims which is why cry-bully patterning is so common i think need to clarify: that defensive rationalization happens AFTER they've already made the decision to do fascism defensive rationalization its not the causation of fascism its the thing that makes them feel justified when they follow the habits their experiences have constructed in my experience, the way you attack little fascists is by destroying iconographies of power and disrupting their toxic validation networks the way you attack big fascists is by stripping back the defensive rationalization to show they are essentially overgrown schoolboys using the world as an apparatus to try and console their inferiority complexes big fascists first do this by accruing wealth and objects so no individual makes them feel small and less-than later, they then try to reshape society to reposition themselves as saviours so when they face valid criticism, they can reframe themselves as the victim successfully and they will pay millions to build this image of themselves its all defence mechanisms because the alternative is too unthinkable for them despite this, even if the image breaks, they'll still do fascism, its just how they function because they're (probably biologically) incapable of wholistic empathy -- everything is inescapably "us vs them". its my sincere hope that we find whatever mutation or life-style triggers this pattern of behaviour and politely cure it or provide sanctions on their ability to enter office or business. source: I enjoy making Elon Musk cry from a distance and have done it several times i would really like to do the same with thiel but i also recognize thiel is a touch more murdery than musk Expo70 fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Apr 15, 2023 |
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if you want a replication by someone who actually knows how to crunch data clauset 2019 "on the frequency and severity of interstate wars" is a good replication
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bob dobbs is dead posted:if you want a replication by someone who actually knows how to crunch data clauset 2019 "on the frequency and severity of interstate wars" is a good replication ty will read
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clauset claims that the richardson 1948 claim of ~poisson onset time is replicated, but i remember staring at that fuckin chart he has in the paper and being pissed at the evident fatness of the tail
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bob dobbs is dead posted:clauset claims that the richardson 1948 claim of ~poisson onset time is replicated, but i remember staring at that fuckin chart he has in the paper and being pissed at the evident fatness of the tail Would you be interested in covering this in your next HFE thread post? my small brain doesn't fully understand the implications but this is deeply interesting.
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huh? what thread is that you mean mononcqcs thread that i never post papers to because im lazy?
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bob dobbs is dead posted:being pissed at the evident fatness of the tail 
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bob dobbs is dead posted:huh? what thread is that ye, even if its just a brief summary. reading the paper again i'm starting to get it, but overall its just really goddamn interesting and if its only on here its eventually going to disappear into techbubble posting and get lost i think people who read this would also like to read it.
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fascism is a shrieking murderous temper tantrum thrown by males of a country's dominant ethnic group that arises when they experience a sudden perceived loss of prestige everything else is post-hoc justification
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Sapozhnik posted:fascism is a shrieking murderous temper tantrum thrown by males of a country's dominant ethnic group that arises when they experience a sudden perceived loss of prestige good summary the point i'm making is when you dismantle the justification they can't handle it on an emotional level its not why they do what they do, but proving that its not logical damages their self-image in *some* cases with others, it makes no difference, because they already know what they're about wannabie-philanthropists always care a lot about their self-image so they're always the vulnerable ones their fear is everybody knows what they're really about, they'll be turned on and i hear stories of nepobabies and their parents who are getting incredibly paranoid as of late to the point where their current fixation is building compounds in the wilderness because they're all convinced society is about to turn on them and they're losing sleep over it -- especially the brats of the folks who used to staff the big five's upper management 10-20 years ago the way you beat fascists is you show the public what they're really about by saying the quiet part out loud before they manage to coerse the public into thinking they want the same things the thing is they often instinctively really want to say that quiet part out loud and its fairly easy to use mental footwork to get them to admit it if the optics and language games present make them think their conversation is confidential or in similar company the easiest way to trick them usually is some sort of award ceremony they think is coming from one of "their schools" or if they're asked to give a talk they don't think will be recorded in those circles its why if you can afford to rent the premises and pass the vetting tests, you can socially engineer this stuff. likewise, you can put governors into mindsets where they double down on really awful positions while on film like child marriage depending on how you frame yourself as their opposition using very similar techniques if it bleeds, y'know? Expo70 fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Apr 15, 2023 |
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it's always weird hearing that capitalism and fascism go hand in hand considering how early fascism was a reaction against capitalism
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nudgenudgetilt posted:it's always weird hearing that capitalism and fascism go hand in hand considering how early fascism was a reaction against capitalism not really? it was a reaction against wealth distribution fascists regularly pretend to be against capitalism and then do a switcheroo when it suits them this works because the two have optical similarities in their early stages to people who have their vision impaired by scared desperate people who don't want to think who just want answers and it just so happens those are also their ideal recruits "national socialists" were not socialists. they were nazis. et al. Expo70 fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Apr 15, 2023 |
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really? liberals love pointing out flaws in fascist logic and feeling smug in doing so, but as a means of anti-fascist resistance it is completely ineffective. it's a temper tantrum, there is no logical basis to what is fundamentally a childish emotional outburst. they start with a desired conclusion and work backwards to invent "facts" from whole cloth that lead to that conclusion. you can watch them do it in real time even, "many people are saying this!". the justification is not there for your benefit so you refuting it does not faze them. you can terrorize fascists into submission or you can put bullets in their skulls, historically those are the only two approaches that have demonstrated any efficacy. and most ordinary non-fascist citizens, if forced to confront just how monstrous an incipient fascist movement in their country is, will demonstrate the same avoidant behaviors as a patient whose doctor tells them that they might have cancer.
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Sapozhnik posted:fascism is a shrieking murderous temper tantrum thrown by males of a country's dominant ethnic group that arises when they experience a sudden perceived loss of prestige sarah palin, leni riefenstahl, and marine le pen would like a word more white women voted for trump than clinton in 2016 dudes don’t got a monopoly on lovely politics
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Sapozhnik posted:really? liberals love pointing out flaws in fascist logic and feeling smug in doing so, but as a means of anti-fascist resistance it is completely ineffective. it's a temper tantrum, there is no logical basis to what is fundamentally a childish emotional outburst. they start with a desired conclusion and work backwards to invent "facts" from whole cloth that lead to that conclusion. you can watch them do it in real time even, "many people are saying this!". the justification is not there for your benefit so you refuting it does not faze them. pretty much. there's no logic to fascism. they need to be shoved in lockers more as kids. i do wanna say though that rationalizations aren't inherently logical -- they're just the thing people do to try and convince themselves that their feelings are logical like there's a good reason that liberals always show up in office right before fascists do they got that whole mind-disease of "maybe we can reason with it" uhhhhhh how about no? Expo70 fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Apr 15, 2023 |
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in a well actually posted:sarah palin, leni riefenstahl, and marine le pen would like a word yeah well they rose to power by enabling the whining of a whole bunch of dudes with sad peepees take the sad peepees out of the equation and the fascist politician loses their power base
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in a well actually posted:sarah palin, leni riefenstahl, and marine le pen would like a word yeah but i do think for the sake of equality, we do need more women represented in the demographic of rich tech weirdos going to prison and to expand this group overall for better representation of *checks notes* lovely people anybody Steve Jobs wannabie Elizabeth Holmes? she's about to begin a 11 year prison sentence i hear also that cryptogoblin, Caroline Ellison, i wonder how long she'll go away for? Expo70 fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Apr 15, 2023 |
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Expo70 posted:not really? it was a reaction against wealth distribution hitler believed capitalism was of jewish origin and was to be avoided. it was only once power was seized from the "wrong" capitalists that capitalism was embraced. the nazis believed the state should control the hand of the market edit: capitalismin nazi german looked far more like capitalism in china today than capitalism in the west today
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Sapozhnik posted:yeah well they rose to power by enabling the whining of a whole bunch of dudes with sad peepees again, more white women voted for trump. lots of german women were big supporters of hitler. you can go down the list of fascist movements and find significant female support across the board ladies can be threatened by social change too and its kinda gross to deny it
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Sapozhnik posted:yeah well they rose to power by enabling the whining of a whole bunch of dudes with sad peepees this is pretty hilariously sexist
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in a well actually posted:again, more white women voted for trump. lots of german women were big supporters of hitler. you can go down the list of fascist movements and find significant female support across the board apparently you need a penis to do political violence though
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hmm, true. well, i'm not in a position to guess what aspects of fascism women might find appealing. i mean i can certainly guess but i don't have the lived experience to comment on it.
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nudgenudgetilt posted:hitler believed capitalism was of jewish origin and was to be avoided. it was only once power was seized from the "wrong" capitalists that capitalism was embraced. the nazis believed the state should control the hand of the market so did capitalism in the British Empire and the US for that matter
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nudgenudgetilt posted:it's always weird hearing that capitalism and fascism go hand in hand considering how early fascism was a reaction against capitalism a reaction to capitalism in crisis. it's a last-ditch effort by capitalism to save itself. which is why fascism often adopts the talking points and trappings of workers' movements ("national socialists," for example) because they're appealing to people who no longer have faith in capitalism, by tricking them into supporting the very people causing the problem.
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aardvaard posted:i think it's silly how much people look for psychological explanations for fascism, as if it's a certain behavior we just need to teach people to avoid, instead of a reactionary movement arising when traditional capitalism is plainly unable to keep society running. so the only options are either use immense violence to keep the system in order or replace the system, and so capitalists put their weight behind fascists to crush the workers' movement before it can crush the capitalists. yep
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Expo70 posted:also that cryptogoblin, Caroline Ellison, i wonder how long she'll go away for? likely none, she has very obviously made a deal with fedgov so she probably skates with probation and maybe getting barred from running a company traded on a us exchange for a few years in return for turning over her chronicles of sbf's improbable and ever-expanding list of crimes.
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Sapozhnik posted:hmm, true. well, i'm not in a position to guess what aspects of fascism women might find appealing. i mean i can certainly guess but i don't have the lived experience to comment on it. speaking with relatives who lived under it, if you're indoctrinated from a very young age that having emotions and emotional intelligence is dangerous and that people who are stoic and calm and powerful are your ideal, the "icebreakers" of fascism are very appealing. fascists are deeply concerned with imagery relating to power but more specifically they tell everybody else that they should be too and that the aesthetic of power is the aesthetic of legitimacy. that people who have whatever the aesthetic is are more righteous than those who do not have it, regardless of their actions or standpoints. there's also like, women are attracted to lovely dudes because his problems are all immediately visible meaning he's not gonna turn out to have some hidden problem after spending years with him. likewise, known problems are usually fixable problems, and if it turns out his shittiness is able to provide and you are already fine with the shittiness because you can turn a blind eye to it, it becomes acceptable. a lot of it too is just illusory truth, like how a lot of dudes in occidental countries and the countries they've influenced fetishize breasts but people outside of those spaces generally don't really care about them. if you're told something is hot and are presented with that framing enough times, you eventually make the connection believe it to be so. its why a lot goods and aesthetics which have absolutely nothing to do with actual womanhood but are all related to social iconography of femininity are all heavily fetishized by cis dudes who are performing hetronormativity. same poo poo. aardvaard posted:a reaction to capitalism in crisis. it's a last-ditch effort by capitalism to save itself. which is why fascism often adopts the talking points and trappings of workers' movements ("national socialists," for example) because they're appealing to people who no longer have faith in capitalism, by tricking them into supporting the very people causing the problem. nudgenudgetilt posted:hitler believed capitalism was of jewish origin and was to be avoided. it was only once power was seized from the "wrong" capitalists that capitalism was embraced. the nazis believed the state should control the hand of the market Not really on the first half. I don't know enough about China to have an informed opinion on the second half. hitler offered his followers the idea that "sheer willpower" can overcome economic concerns. specifically, he thought interest, not capitalism was the Jewish invention internally iirc based on the idea it invents debt which is used to enslave people, and this is the root of "the big lie". what actually enslaves people is the cost of living and land ownership rather than interest (which mobilizes economic potential with the caveat that a bank-run is then made possible due to the need for fractional reserve to maintain it) but that's an entire other conversation what nobody brings up is that they used anti-capitalist rhetoric as a front for what basically amounted for hyper-capitalist action to drive the war-machine of their market economy. let me explain why i say this: lots and lots of people really want to claim it was interventionalist dictatorship but that's kind of a nonsense term without a clear definable upper or lower limit because governments inherently have interaction with markets by design. the other thing nobody brings up is that a lot of the "interventions" themselves were actually demanded BY capitalists under nazi germany because free markets were not always ideal for capitalists. "interventions" weren't "imposed" on the economy by fascists: it was a consensual development reflecting the requirements of sectors of industry needed for hitler's war machine. doing a genocide was historically speaking, suggested by the business owners. (I. Landa, 2022) the nazis got their racism and such from jim crowe as a means of doing populism with fake socialism to maximize their approval. you kinda can't really like, do populism with an enemy if you don't have an enemy to use as a scapegoat so it was in the nazis best interests to keep their scapegoats around and alive I really *really* wish I could find the citation on this next bit. It is many many hundreds of books ago and I am going to go nuts trying to remember. when it came to war really kicking off, the business owners said "look, you can either have your approval by having your scapegoats which you've already got lots of, or you can get rid of those who cannot work to cut your margins, and retask those who can as slave labour and it'll make you look like heroes while we can exceed our target delivery dates" whenever i'm faced with people who i present this to, they usually say "oh that's not true capitalism, because the market isn't free, ergo its the government's fault" not really realizing that the mess built by capital was being "solved" by capital here how? by redefining what raw materials were on a political level and sought to eliminate groups who were not ideal worker/consumers (anybody who was an 'economic burden'), to maximize cashflow and work-rate to extract wealth to run that war-machine. you know, eliminating taylorism's definition of "waste" based on a utility function and then re-investing the returns created by mandatory participation while skimming some off the top is kinda capitalism 101. by turning people and workers into the products, you're kinda doing hypercapitalism through post-Malthusian social darwinism. I remember as a kid seeing a photograph of a propaganda poster would say things like "this man costs 60,000 reichmarks throughout his entire lifetime, that is the cost of this hereditary sick person for the nation: That is also your money". you hear the quiet part too, right? the use of language like "dictatorship interventionism" is just nonsense, just like calling them socialist is nonsense: you can't both be socialist and push policies which dismantle workers rights and literally genocide people. those things are diametrically opposed. the same here, is also true. your argument is based on weasel words, basically. if you wanna get REALLY technical then yeah, hitler wasn't a capitalist but neither is anybody else. nobody who reads wealth of nations who then does capitalism reads the back chapters which were largely "um, land ownership, encasement and land-lords are bad, actually and maybe you should re-invest a lot of this money into your workers?" no this isn't me going "no true thing has been tried" or that the system is redeemable, I just want to make that ABUNDANTLY clear i learned that when some quack was the plus one of my late husband's gross aunt visited for the holidays and I had to go to her's for a few days and he was like "hey read this it'll change your life". i did the whole thing front to back in four hours and spent the rest of the trip basically ridiculing him for recommending a book he like pretty much everybody has never actually read properly. what smith proposed is never going to be actual capital because of the perverse incentives in place to like, not do those things. i don't know enough about smith to know if he proposed it in good faith or what, but i do know loooots of philosophers like burke really wanted to mutate the poo poo out of his proposal before it risked any of that weird poo poo going on in france with all the decapitations at the time risking making it to england. so they pretended to do that thing and rolled out some very pretty documents and then did a switcheroo and kept things lovely from the tudors and stuarts being lovely to constitutional monarchy with the whigs and tories also being lovely yadda yadda ya etc anyway ranting about this poo poo is not very fun to read. i want to go back to reading about silly tech poo poo, not wondering when the next bullshit epoch of human misery is coming when the system collapses and all the potential energy of hate aimed at my minority group specifically is going to put me in more harms way than it usually does edit: i cannot catch a fukken break today https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/elon-musk-plans-ai-startup-to-rival-openai-ft-71681495556607.html explains why he asked for that pause, as a stunt to play catchup Expo70 fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Apr 15, 2023 |
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I didn't read any of the last page but I just got a new android device and holy poo poo how has Google managed to produce *another* set of bullshit apps? wtf is "Google one"? Why is there a separate "Google podcasts" app? Arrgghhhh I thought they'd finally got a grip on their endless churn of new products after the stadia disaster zone, guess not!
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:I didn't read any of the last page but I just got a new android device lol
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I stopped using Android in 2014 when my Nexus S exploded in my pocket and I'm still holding a grudge against that whole ecosystem. That was the only phone I ever had that would crash when receiving a phone call. And yet I kinda hope Google won't ever kill it, because I know their history and I know their replacement will somehow be even worse
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:ah gently caress the 12 to 13 upgrade on my old device was the one that totally hosed everything so badly I had to install the Microsoft launcher to actually make it useable buy an iphone op
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Asymmetric POSTer posted:buy an iphone op
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Cos Apple don't have a bunch of dumb apps they forced you to use either.
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Sure, but if you factory reset or grab a fresh iPhone out of the box, all you get are basics like Calculator or Calendar or Apple Maps. Everything else, like iMovie or Garageband or even Apple Podcasts (iirc) you have to actively choose to download from the app store.
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