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I think as long as the Borg Queen stays a sexy lady then the heart of the concept will be preserved no matter how many Borg Queens we see.
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G-III posted:despite my previous post: I did like this episode as a good emotional crescendo for the story of the season. Story is still dumb as dirt but at least it made me feel good at the end. I'm also willing to accept the return of Q as the character did caution against linear thinking which kinda does imply that Q can appear in front of jack at any point in time through his life and only when q is DYING later appear in front of picard in season 2, in essence... Q can continue to shop up forever and ever as he can jump through time Don't you think that if he exists outside of time the idea of him dying at all is pretty weird? Feels very 'our understanding of things'. Do the prophets die of old age? I'd say no, since they're not part of time
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ok look there's only so many ways you can tell the helmsman to make the ship go and I think star trek has gotten a little precious about making it a "thing" That Spock clip in the SNW trailer in particular makes him sound like a Pakled. I would like the ship to go now, we are very smart!
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nine-gear crow posted:All the Bad Borg are dead now, yes. At least until a future story needs the Borg for some new plot.
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nine-gear crow posted:The Good Borg went into a bar with Guinan and disappeared from reality. All the Bad Borg are dead now, yes. I like that this show is so bad I don't even have to think if you're doing a jape. What a loving clown. He only had 1 good Trek idea in his entire life and then tried to shamefully bury it, but then made all of his biggest lovely ideas hard to ignore for all the good shows
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Professor Beetus posted:ok look there's only so many ways you can tell the helmsman to make the ship go and I think star trek has gotten a little precious about making it a "thing" I want a Pakled Starfleet officer in a show Do it you cowards
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Professor Beetus posted:ok look there's only so many ways you can tell the helmsman to make the ship go and I think star trek has gotten a little precious about making it a "thing" Glad I’m not the only one who felt Pakled from that.
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Professor Beetus posted:ok look there's only so many ways you can tell the helmsman to make the ship go and I think star trek has gotten a little precious about making it a "thing" Spock is a lovely Vulcan but even so that phrasing is so illogical considering how their ships travel and all
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Wasn't Starfleet's official policy to try to liberate as many Borg as possible? Are they just all dead now? Seems like the genocide Picard and Crusher wanted to avoid back with Hugh.
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G-III posted:I'm also willing to accept the return of Q I applaud your commitment to the spoiler tag but anyone who wouldn't know this just by looking at a single letter being spoilered in this thread should probably just  lol
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Taear posted:Don't you think that if he exists outside of time the idea of him dying at all is pretty weird? Feels very 'our understanding of things'. Do the prophets die of old age? I'd say no, since they're not part of time Yeah but they did it, as dumb as a concept as it is, so now I have to reconcile with that dumb decision somehow.
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SourKraut posted:At least until a future story needs the Borg for some new plot. Well picard's son has borg in his balls too I bet....
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My go command will be slapping the back of the head of whatever ensign is at the controls.
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I will give the order to go to warp purely by ripping the biggest, most Donald Duck-sound fart I can possibly muster on command.
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The whole "haha you're the captain now what's your thing?" is a strange gimmick thing also. The only time I think it's referenced is in Generations when Kirk is asked to do it for the Enterprise B, and it's mocked at by Scotty and Chekhov. As for Spock, didn't Nimoy have the helm in two of the movies? And I think he just did an authoritative engage?
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Professor Beetus posted:ok look there's only so many ways you can tell the helmsman to make the ship go and I think star trek has gotten a little precious about making it a "thing"  the rest was great, though
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Me and my XO have a bit where I say the only way this ship goes anywhere is over my dead body and he decapitates or disintegrates me (gotta read the room first, lotta improv at the death gag). Shocking the first time, but people get tired of it when it happens half dozen times a day sometimes. It's fine to kill me, I already died and just get ported into golems and when I run out of those I snuck a changeling hand into the replicator banks so worst case scenario I just takeover some forgettable ensign.
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I just stand right next to the ear of the helmsman and shout "TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO WARP!"
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G-III posted:Well picard's son has borg in his balls too I bet.... Excuse me the transporter performed a vasectomy so...
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I think he's tired of my poo poo. Lol I don't care I'm captain.
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G-III posted:Yeah but they did it, as dumb as a concept as it is, so now I have to reconcile with that dumb decision somehow. What's most annoying is there's a whole voyager episode about how the Q Continuum is boring, because nothing can change. So one of them wants to die. If they die of old age that episode is now totally fuckin' meaningless
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apparently Matalas believes ST: Legacy is greenlit, or at least Entertainment Weekly thinks so https://ew.com/tv/star-trek-picard-finale-post-credits-scene-explained/ quote:There might be another Star Trek series coming our way — or at the very least, another home for Ed Speleers' Jack Crusher. he also gave an interview about how people who didn't like the finale are just bitter https://willharris.substack.com/p/interview-star-trek-picard-showrunner quote:Well, it was always a balance. We knew that, with the fan service, the Member Berry daggers were always going to come at us. But we also felt like it was earned, that it was also part of the story. And that also feels like a lazy criticism from a certain kind of bitter critic. If you go into somebody's house and they've lived there 56 years, it's pretty hard to point to the pictures on their wall or their furniture that they've lived in and yell, "Member Berry!" You're kind of just a jerk. [Laughs.] It's part of the world that people live in. It's impossible for human beings not to reference the experiences that they've had with each other 35 years ago. I'm 46. I sit down with my friends, all we talk about are the things that we've experienced. So we feel okay about it. Lum_ fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Apr 20, 2023 |
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I like the actor who plays Jack crusher but can we go back to a ensemble cast, exploring the future?
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If they want the series to continue with Jack maybe they should have given him more character job readiness skills than captain's nepobaby
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Taear posted:Don't you think that if he exists outside of time the idea of him dying at all is pretty weird? Feels very 'our understanding of things'. Do the prophets die of old age? I'd say no, since they're not part of time Q did it as a prank, classic Q. Khanstant posted:Me and my XO have a bit where I say the only way this ship goes anywhere is over my dead body and he decapitates or disintegrates me (gotta read the room first, lotta improv at the death gag). Shocking the first time, but people get tired of it when it happens half dozen times a day sometimes. It's fine to kill me, I already died and just get ported into golems and when I run out of those I snuck a changeling hand into the replicator banks so worst case scenario I just takeover some forgettable ensign. lol
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Lum_ posted:he also gave an interview about how people who didn't like the finale are just bitter  Once again get hosed Matalas, you thin-skinned hack. I like how they sidestepped the Leah Brahms thing and who the La Forge sisters’ mom was by simply never showing or mentioning her at all.
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I don't know what the gently caress "member berry" is, but if you go over to someone's house and all they do is shuffle around pointing at pictures while mumbling incoherently, it's probably time for them to move to an assisted living facility.
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Every single disconnected cube that comes online follows a simple set of i structions. Attempt to commect to borg.com. If that fails, locate nearest Unimatrix for reassimilation. Way down on the list is Print new queen from queen storage, reform collective. In this way, the borg will return every season with the borg queen.....forever.
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If you’re criticizing the work Terry Matalas did as a writer, director and showrunner for Star Trek Picard you are attacking the personal lived experiences of a Star Trek fan and that’s honestly very hurtful of you. You sound bitter and I’m sorry you don’t enjoy Star Trek.
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I think the thing I’m most annoyed by this season is easily changeling borg communicator. What the gently caress was that? Why have it be the changeling’s hand… what purpose did that serve other than misdirection? Such trash can writing.
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The more I think about this finale the more I dislike it, as the member berries fade away and all that is left is just the awful plot holes and direct theft of other properties. The giant hand wave of an entire generation of officers traumatized for murdering prior generations who are all dead unless they were safely hidden away in a changeling's bedroom. The outright embrace of nepotism and the trash reveal of the Enterprise-G, the G standing for the groan I made during that scene. Jack getting a Special Boy posting. La Forge just staring at his de-borgified daughters. The entire end sequences swiped from Prodigy and Return of the Jedi. Laris forgotten as predicted by half the posters here. Just complete trash papered over by awesome actors and chemistry.
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Something this show did well: 1. I liked how fireworks work in Zero-G. 2. End of list. Carry on.
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Lum_ posted:apparently Matalas believes ST: Legacy is greenlit, or at least Entertainment Weekly thinks so Days Without Terry Matalas Being A Complete Stupid rear end in a top hat:
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It really feels like Matalas is trying to replicate the fan demand for Strange New Worlds after Disco S2, and it’s just coming off sad.
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HD DAD posted:It really feels like Matalas is trying to replicate the fan demand for Strange New Worlds after Disco S2, and it’s just coming off sad. That's the reason why I'll only refer to it as #StarTrekLegacy rather than Star Trek: Legacy or anything else because it's never felt like anything more than a sad as all gently caress astroturfed Twitter hashtag. Like for real, I'd watch a show with Seven and Jack in it, but only under two conditions: 1) Shaw has to be back and alive and a main character on it, and 2) Terry Matalas is not allowed to come with in a three thousand kilometer radius of it in perpetuity from now until the heat death of the universe. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Apr 20, 2023 |
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I have to thank Picard because I think it broke me from every watching Trek just for the hell of it. If they make another Matalas Trek I think I finally respect myself enough to just not watch it. This is the only way to wring character growth out of this stone.
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LinkesAuge posted:I guess everyone else who was assimilated before just didn't love enough and weren't really trying to get out of of collective because apparently "it's super easy, barely an inconvenience" if you just want it bad enough. I thought about this while watching it too, but I can deal with it if this is the very last we see if the Borg outside of the Delta Quadrant. In a lot of ways, these Borg weren't really proper Borg anymore because the Queen was eating her drones to survive, and Jack had given himself willingly. I kind of take it as though this Queen had lost the support of the Collective back home and was now just out for revenge. And if that meant eating her drones, employing some rogue Founders, and going crazy so be it. I did appreciate the dialogue mildly suggesting that the Collective mind itself has decided that Starfleet should just be left the gently caress alone, since it's existence doesn't present a critical threat to the Borg but also it's clearly too difficult of an obstacle to overcome after this much cost. And hopefully that means we never see them again except maybe once in SNW or whatever.
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I thought the finale was pretty good to bad the rest of the series was so dire.
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My favorite guy in the episode was the guy who was like "I'm just a cook ok well I took a night class on shuttles but I had to drop out cause I had kidney stones" or whatever his excuse was. he was hilarious
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quote:When that day comes, will we find out more of the secrets of the M'Talas system?  Anyway, yeah, finale was pretty much as expected. Batshit stupid, rehashing literal Star Wars elements, everything very tidily being fixed or swept under the rug (I feel like this is just the writer's room not really having a sense of scale/scope, which has been a problem throughout the season - eg the entire fleet is orbiting Earth for Frontier Day, the Borg have all but disappeared except for this one cube/malformed 3D printed Queen, a ton of Starfleet's top brass get murked by woke mind virus youths). Then a completely unearned self-congratulatory victory lap for 30 minutes. Matalas comments on "Member Berry daggers" coming out for them, and I wouldn't really say that's a fair characterization of many criticisms. I think the 'Member Berries/nostalgia were probably the highlight of the season. A lot of the nostalgia stuff could have been implemented a helluva lot better, but for the most part they were fine and reasonable to occur in the Very Special 30 Year Reunion Season of TNG. All of this "ohhh Legacy is greenlit" doesn't seem like anything more than clickbait speculation. Obviously Matalas and a few others would want to do more from everything I've read, and sure they put in hooks in the finale and throughout the series, but that's just TV in 2023.
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