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infernal machines posted:if you acknowledge it's no longer the 1990s re: consoles, you should probably acknowledge that it's no longer the 1990s wrt pc games too, for consistency's sake. generally true, though take a look at the video card update/mod juggling in the cyberpunk 2077 thread at the moment for a reminder of what it can still be like if you want to go there.
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unless you're going out of your way to janitor your poo poo, everything just works today. install steam, double click game name. you might have the option of janitoring if you want to do stupid poo poo that isn't an option on a console, but nothing is stopping you from treating steam or windows store like a console. they just work for the most part
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i don't janitor my windows installs at all, and they tend to just work
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Midjack posted:generally true, though take a look at the video card update/mod juggling in the cyberpunk 2077 thread at the moment for a reminder of what it can still be like if you want to go there. does that game even run smoothly on consoles at this point?
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it's definitely not the case for all pc games, but there's a tolerance among some studios for publishing pc versions of AAA games that are horrendously, unplayably broken on release, and a willingness among some percentage of pc users to mod the hell out of games and perform random tinkering immediately after release to compensate on consoles if a studio pulls that poo poo they'll fail cert, or in the case of cyberpunk specifically get forcibly unpublished
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Captain Foo posted:lol Twitter what happened to twitter
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did they get hacked finally, cuz my roommate who actually uses the twitter noticed their account has a bunch of logins from europe all of a sudden
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PC is still way more fiddly about sound than consoles. The PS5 and switch does surround sound just fine. The PC needs some bullshit dolby stuff that works maybe 30% of the time. Windows is also really bad about Bluetooth for some reason. It was good in win10 and they somehow hosed it all up in 11.
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switch to linux, they've spent thousands upon thousands of person-hours trying to get their sound to work so surely it must be pretty good now, right?
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MeruFM posted:PC is still way more fiddly about sound than consoles. The PS5 and switch does surround sound just fine. The PC needs some bullshit dolby stuff that works maybe 30% of the time. these are fair points but the primary fiddliness now come from gpu stuff, and even that’s not too bad. games almost universally launch too soon but on pc you do have the ability to apply quick fixes. on the other hand, the wide distribution of configurations means sometimes you’re out of luck or stuck waiting - consoles at least get pretty consistent fixes. trade offs everywhere
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nudgenudgetilt posted:unless you're going out of your way to janitor your poo poo, everything just works today. install steam, double click game name. you might have the option of janitoring if you want to do stupid poo poo that isn't an option on a console, but nothing is stopping you from treating steam or windows store like a console. they just work for the most part i see someone has never played the nier: automata PC port most games "just work" but the ones that don't don't work hard you also still get poo poo from PC-first studios where Midnight Suns works better if you edit steam to run the game directly instead of going through the 2K launcher Jabor posted:switch to linux, they've spent thousands upon thousands of person-hours trying to get their sound to work so surely it must be pretty good now, right? unironically dealing with audio poo poo on Linux is better for me than Windows at this point. switching from PulseAudio to Pipewire took nothing other than a package install and caused literally zero problems. i can even still use my PulseAudio mixer app Windows, by comparison, is some awful hodgepodge of its entire history of audio stack going back to god knows when. sometimes, OS tools are a (usless) metro app! sometimes it's a win7 app! switching which audio device an app uses is an app-level setting (that may not exist) instead of something built into the mixer! low latency DAW audio requires 3rd-party drivers and breaks audio for all other apps sometimes until you run the (buried deep with the control panel) troubleshooting app, with no clear explanation why! the ALSA/OSS issues from long ago were indeed stupid, but basically predate when i started using Linux, in like loving 2005. i barely had problems with it then. i assume the only reason i didn't have trouble with Windows audio then was because i didn't do anything fancy like "use more than output device". Apple captured the professional audio market back then for a reason
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Enderzero posted:these are fair points but the primary fiddliness now come from gpu stuff, and even that’s not too bad. games almost universally launch too soon but on pc you do have the ability to apply quick fixes. on the other hand, the wide distribution of configurations means sometimes you’re out of luck or stuck waiting - consoles at least get pretty consistent fixes. trade offs everywhere i've never had issues with GPUs since the geforce 8800 days, but i also just buy the most popular one i think the nitpicking of specific bad PC releases presumes consoles just work fine, when in fact they don't and you just can't do anything about it. Even amazing games like BoTW become a 10-20fps shitshow a lot of the time. Not much discussion about it except maybe in reviews because it is what it is.
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Achmed Jones posted:oh excuse me console commands and video settings in the game and also in the video driver and feature blocklists and...same crap, whatever i mostly play games that aren’t available on consoles. now what?
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fart simpson posted:i mostly play games that aren’t available on consoles. now what? instead of playing those, you could try playing the games that are available on consoles
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I'll probably upgrade to a 4070 when they drop a bit (which if they way over produced inventory for might happen soon ish) but then again I have a 1070ti right now so I'm pretty out of date I will squander that power though. mainly I just want to get ray tracing in elden ring before I replay it there is zero point in me upgrading my CPU though. Just none at all, so I guess RIP intel on that one. also aren't intel wasting a bunch of money trying to make GPUs again?
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:also aren't intel wasting a bunch of money trying to make GPUs again? yeah, i think it makes sense to try though. it doesn't seem possible that data center gpu's are long-term so hard to make that it motivates nvidia being worth 5.5x what intel is
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frc dead, condolences to rotor for the momentary inconvenience monday
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:yeah, i think it makes sense to try though. it doesn't seem possible that data center gpu's are long-term so hard to make that it motivates nvidia being worth 5.5x what intel is
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MeruFM posted:PC is still way more fiddly about sound than consoles. The PS5 and switch does surround sound just fine. The PC needs some bullshit dolby stuff that works maybe 30% of the time. cat reading a newspaper jpg "I think we should rewrite our Bluetooth stack"
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Shame Boy posted:what happened to twitter where ya been the last year
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:I'll probably upgrade to a 4070 when they drop a bit (which if they way over produced inventory for might happen soon ish) but then again I have a 1070ti right now so I'm pretty out of date I bought a 4070 a week ago from microcenter cuz it came with a $100 steam card Intel gpus are on the low end right now (<$300) and don't have all the bells and whistles software wise of the other 2 yet and have some underbaked drivers but they are competitive with amd lol
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mystes posted:It's intel so they'll pour a ton of money into it for a couple of years, try to sell a ton of gpus at a loss (which will probably just end up on ebay), and then cancel it. Then, wait a few more years and repeat yeah, very much one of those where the real hurdle is intel not pulling their usual poo poo. but good signs on that front is that they're doing extremely vanilla architectures and software stacks this time, so they might just have learned something.
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one kind of interesting thing is because we pushed display sizes so far, streaming is at a weird point. everybody who wants to stream gaming online DEMANDS 4k60 quality, which is really, really hard to do on the average american's internet connection, and i can't help but think that it's pretty demanding on even a ps5 generation's power. it's a loooot of pixels and bits per second. i stream 1440p60 and have tuned the poo poo out of things and still can't do it with less than about 25mbps bitrate, and i've got a separate streaming pc its to the point that i got a really nice capture card on fire sale because nobody buys them any more, simply because the best it can do is 1440p60 or 4k30
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Jonny 290 posted:one kind of interesting thing is because we pushed display sizes so far, streaming is at a weird point. everybody who wants to stream gaming online DEMANDS 4k60 quality, which is really, really hard to do on the average american's internet connection, and i can't help but think that it's pretty demanding on even a ps5 generation's power. it's a loooot of pixels and bits per second. i stream 1440p60 and have tuned the poo poo out of things and still can't do it with less than about 25mbps bitrate, and i've got a separate streaming pc Game streaming won't be viable for the majority of people until there are massive upgrades to north america's internet infrastructure
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Improbable Lobster posted:Game streaming won't be viable for the majority of people until there are massive upgrades to north america's internet infrastructure this depends on your tv and your gameplay. 1080p60 for non-fps games is probably accessible by anyone who can watch netflix
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fart simpson posted:i mostly play games that aren’t available on consoles. now what? pc gaming is an achmed-approved choice for you! i ran out of stickers for your case but feel free to make one yourself! anyone else looking to get the achmed seal of approval please post your use-cases itt
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Shame Boy posted:instead of playing those, you could try playing the games that are available on consoles this is also a good strategy though
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I play PC games on a big graphics card with my girlfriend
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Soylent Pudding posted:I play PC games on a big graphics card with my girlfriend gross, cooties
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Soylent Pudding posted:I play PC games on a big graphics card with my girlfriend hope you got a support bracket on that, lest it buckle under the weight
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Jonny 290 posted:one kind of interesting thing is because we pushed display sizes so far, streaming is at a weird point. everybody who wants to stream gaming online DEMANDS 4k60 quality, which is really, really hard to do on the average american's internet connection, and i can't help but think that it's pretty demanding on even a ps5 generation's power. it's a loooot of pixels and bits per second. i stream 1440p60 and have tuned the poo poo out of things and still can't do it with less than about 25mbps bitrate, and i've got a separate streaming pc
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yeah streaming on twitch or yt live or w/e. i dont know anything about this RDP to an aws instance running codblops or w/e
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Midjack posted:generally true, though take a look at the video card update/mod juggling in the cyberpunk 2077 thread at the moment for a reminder of what it can still be like if you want to go there. the whole thing there is you can gently caress around with that poo poo if you want, it's there, and you can get up to your nuts editing buried settings to do all manner of poo poo otoh, if you don't, the game will also run just fine with the settings it sets by default when you first run it, and you don't need to change anything at all to just play the game. the fact that almost obscene customization is possible doesn't necessitate it. but, also, when you see people complaining about the game not running well, there's a decent chance they've gone and changed the settings from the autoconfigured defaults, and it turns out their hardware doesn't actually run those well.
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mystes posted:It's intel so they'll pour a ton of money into it for a couple of years, try to sell a ton of gpus at a loss (which will probably just end up on ebay), and then cancel it. Then, wait a few more years and repeat apparently they sold the DoE a new supercomputer that will use intel GPU's instead of nvidia ones so that'll be funny
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mediaphage posted:this depends on your tv and your gameplay. 1080p60 for non-fps games is probably accessible by anyone who can watch netflix it also depends on how much tolerance for latency you have. how soon we forget stadia and onlive e: i was thinking gameplay streaming, not game video streaming lol
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Shame Boy posted:apparently they sold the DoE a new supercomputer that will use intel GPU's instead of nvidia ones so that'll be funny matrox is now using intel gpus yes, that matrox. they still exist
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I always went console over pc because if the game didn't perform well I knew it wasn't my problem, but on pc it might be and I'd always wonder. That and computers cost way more.
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Truman Peyote posted:i use a pc for games because we had a pc when i was a kid, but didn't have consoles same i guess. i'm very bad at games with a controller.
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