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EDIT: SNIPED, UPDATE ON LAST PAGE, GO READ IT I can't believe the LP has only just started. Can't wait to see the True versions of all routes! On a serious note, I guess what Mouse is trying to say is that nobody actually saw Amadeus after Horse left? And that's assuming Horse did see him. Also the statue was hollow so it absolutely hid something inside. Can't tell if it was Rooster or Bowen or someone else cause the details are mixing me up. Could Rooster have gone from the bathroom to storage? Did Snake unknowingly bring the corpse i to the office? Who got the corpse into the safe?
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# ? Jun 16, 2024 09:49 |
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These moppets really went for a death game reunion and got roped straight onto a zodiac retrial ![]()
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![]() please tell me one of you had the foresight to stick a GPS tracker up your butt before coming to this stupid reunion oh who am I kidding, the only one with any sense was removed by U.N. Owen for this iteration
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You're telling me. This game is a RIDE.
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dervival posted:
Okay but Rooster would totally stick a tracker up his butt. Also wasn't expecting an actual death for a 'true(?)' route. (By the by, what were the actual unlock conditions for this route? Get every good ending? Get the Aces ending?)
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:On a serious note, I guess what Mouse is trying to say is that nobody actually saw Amadeus after Horse left? And that's assuming Horse did see him. Honestly, all 4 of Snake, Rooster, Sheep and Tiger could conceivably have done it but there's one that clearly stands out. Rooster, Snake and Sheep were all alone in the office at some point. It's definitely implied that Snake could have brought the body into the room inside the statue, but it would have been suspicious if he'd spent a long time in the room and his account is that he was so annoyed that he left quickly so I doubt he's that involved. Given his military training, I think it's possible for him to have jumped the ledge from the storeroom but unlikely given Mouse's testimony. I also doubt Rooster could make the jump and from the description, it doesn't sound like Rooster had enough time to do much of anything in the office. It's plausible that Horse set everything up or that Snake carried the body into the room inside the statue and he just swapped out the laptop and maybe quickly stuffed the body into the safe but that would be ridiculously risky with Sheep right outside the door and able to look inside at any point. He also entered after the time of death so you'd need some real bullshit for it to be him. Sheep could likewise have freely manipulated the scene after Snake and Rooster had left with the murder being carried out at some point beforehand. Tiger couldn't have seen her at this point. But she couldn't have entered the office around the time of death to actually do it herself so it would have to be a collaboration with someone else. Tiger on the other hand was alone for a long period of time and could easily have gone into the office from the ledge, murdered Bowen, and then moved back into the waiting room without anyone seeing her. The hole that Dog is probably referring to is the idea that Snake and Tiger give each other alibi's. In truth, Tiger could have seen Snake enter the office through the door or the window behind her but Snake couldn't see Tiger enter through the window. She has no alibi. And she's Roosters alibi for a long time too. If they're collaborating they could easily have done it together, no tricks involved. Also she clearly just shot Dog in the head. So that too. Nephthys fucked around with this message at 01:32 on May 4, 2023 |
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ApplesandOranges posted:(By the by, what were the actual unlock conditions for this route? Get every good ending? Get the Aces ending?) no unlock conditions, it starts immediately after you get the "ending" for Aces
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Okay, this I did not see coming. It's audacious and I love it.
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Something got moved into that statue, and it was put there after sheep wheeled it off. I can't see that being irrelevant, especially since snake only said the weight was off when he grabbed it to wheel it in. Dogs dying message was the number three. This was Tiger's slot in the race. There was the implication earlier in the game that tiger had been paid to kill, this might have been that. Or that could have been bullshit since that was all in our main perp's mind. Personally my theory is that this is a full on orient express incident and that everyone there that day was in on it. I have zero evidence to support this, it's just fun to believe.
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Dog hosting games nights and recapping the obvious with Mouse, Dragon, and Snake. (Boring...) Case recap interrupted by a sudden shotgunning and trial redo. (Now, you have my attention!) Loud music again? That tracks with Rooster. It could also be that he was behind Bowen's death. EDIT: 3 is Tiger if we count from Mouse -> Ox -> Tiger, but 3 is Rooster if we go the other way. Pig -> Dog -> Rooster. Tiger could be the one Dog signaled 3 for, and she technically could also be behind Bowen's death. NeoRonTheNeuron fucked around with this message at 02:47 on May 4, 2023 |
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His stated motive for killing people in his route is that they were part of the blackmail conspiracy, which, uh, was kinda headed by our dead guy. Him being there is a little suspicious in that light. Also he's an actor that is good at playing a part and hiding his true feelings through an act.
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I feel pretty confident Morris was telling the truth about there being a recorded message on the laptop, which means he never interacted with the real Bowen and Bowen was probably already dead at that point. Or at least out of the way.
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NeoRonTheNeuron posted:Dog hosting games nights and recapping the obvious with Mouse, Dragon, and Snake. (Boring...) Could also be Monkey. 3: Three Monkey Statue, holding his mouth: the Speak No Evil monkey.
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malkav11 posted:I feel pretty confident Morris was telling the truth about there being a recorded message on the laptop, which means he never interacted with the real Bowen and Bowen was probably already dead at that point. Or at least out of the way.
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Cloacamazing! posted:Could also be Monkey. 3: Three Monkey Statue, holding his mouth: the Speak No Evil monkey. Yeah, and three fingers are sort of an M shape.
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Hahaha, amazing. And it must be run by one of the original contestants since it specified Mouse and not Rat. While the big thing Mouse is thinking of could well be that Tiger could theoretically have entered the room without being seen, I think it's simpler than that: Oliver Bowen had reason to have his brother killed, and seemed very concerned with the missing knife (presumably where Amadeus kept the blackmail info, just like Oliver), and had blackmail over a great number of people. The case is blown wide open if you simply assume that you can't trust the coroner's report of when he died, leaving for the possibility that Horse did it earlier (and Sheep lied about seeing him because she doesn't want to be a suspect), or Tiger did it after Snake left. Or even that more than one person was in on it--a lot of people had reason to want him dead, probably everyone present in the game except Mouse. Speaking of Oliver, wonder if he's going to be the new Dog. Edit: Wait, the actual thing Mouse is pointing to is probably that Tiger's eyesight sucks, and at best could have identified that someone went in, but definitely couldn't see any details about who she was seeing or what was happening. ZCKaiser fucked around with this message at 13:53 on May 4, 2023 |
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Does Mouse know about Tiger's bad eyesight in this route? She only really figured it out in Tiger's route and I'm sure Dog didn't give them any access to the internet or anything so they wouldn't call for help.
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pizzabutt posted:Does Mouse know about Tiger's bad eyesight in this route? She only really figured it out in Tiger's route and I'm sure Dog didn't give them any access to the internet or anything so they wouldn't call for help. I don't think so, which is why she doesn't mention it. I suspect it's more to point the player, who likely does know, in that direction. There are multiple things that could be at play, but if there's a "point out one thing wrong with this setup" challenge at some point it's going to be that. What's interesting is that if that's the only thing that's off, then it pretty much had to be Snake, who otherwise claims to have had eyes on the office door the entire time save for when he was retrieving his sculpture.
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Except with all the events around the end of the death game, the people/person behind it have shown through their actions that they don't want the truth to come out. Why then was snake one of the people they were aiming to kill? Killing him only draws light towards the truth by making people ask why he was killer, and he's shown no intent to speak out about whatever happened. That conversation was all driven by mouse and dog.
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Tiger's eyesight is bad but I don't think it's that bad that she couldn't point out a guy around Snake's build and height who just so happened to be in the building when she was and was also providing witness testimony. And she would at the very least notice someone entering the office, and she would be able to name the timeframe which would ruin Snake's alibi.
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FoolyCharged posted:Except with all the events around the end of the death game, the people/person behind it have shown through their actions that they don't want the truth to come out. Why then was snake one of the people they were aiming to kill? Killing him only draws light towards the truth by making people ask why he was killer, and he's shown no intent to speak out about whatever happened. That conversation was all driven by mouse and dog. If they didn't want the truth to come out, then why host the death game in the first place? We know that it is very likely that Brian was dead before the game started from Dog's testimony (the Jade Emperor not knowing certain things, no response to the knock on the door, the door opening causing an explosion, etc.). But we also know that Brian was part of the preparation and abductions due to Dog's testimony and that he had help in setting it up. Brian had the motive to host the game to punish those involved with covering up the truth, but if he was already dead, then what exactly was the point and what are his co-conspirators trying to pull? Even stranger, one of the goals of the game appears to have been to kill Mouse, Snake, and Dragon, and yet the person who killed Dog (and whom presumably both Dog and Mouse know) chose not to kill those three when they were currently considered missing persons.
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You're assuming it was Brian that did the abductions and that it wasn't someone else that had killed him and then seen an opportunity in his plan. If Brian is dead and at the scene with it largely playing out by his designs, that's what the public will see as the incident, not a third party using his plan to explicitly attempt to murder three people. Brian is still dead despite dog stopping mouse from triggering kaboom. He was likely dead the whole time. FoolyCharged fucked around with this message at 19:45 on May 4, 2023 |
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ApplesandOranges posted:Tiger's eyesight is bad but I don't think it's that bad that she couldn't point out a guy around Snake's build and height who just so happened to be in the building when she was and was also providing witness testimony. And she would at the very least notice someone entering the office, and she would be able to name the timeframe which would ruin Snake's alibi. Yeah, I don't see how the eyesight thing could be that relevant. Her eyesight isn't so bad that she couldn't see someone enter the office through the door. Even if it was a case of her mistaking one person for another, only two people entered the office during the time of death: Snake and Aaron. Aaron was notably wearing a big overcoat that may have obfuscated his features but both of them entered the room while Sheep was manning the desk. Even if Tiger couldn't, Sheep would be able to confirm their identity. Also in her breakdown, she mentions finding a knocked-out security guard. I'd bet that was Rooster when he "went to the toilet" and was actually deleting the security footage. Snake couldn't actually see if he really went into the toilet or not. He could easily have followed Sheep down the stairs instead. Nephthys fucked around with this message at 20:07 on May 4, 2023 |
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Nobody really has an alibi. Nobody saw our stiff before he was dead. There's reason to believe, but no proof that the body was moved into the room in Snake's statue after being killed elsewhere. This would make snake or sheep a possible conspirator for removing him from the statue and into the safe, but it's unlikely snake would implicate himself if that's the case. If that happened, then only people outside the office could have killed him. But its also possible it was something else throwing off the statues weight in which case Nobody in the office is cleared. Rooster has his bathroom trip, tiger has the ability to go through the window while he's gone, snake and sheep were both alone in the room within the window.
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Actually it was Monkey who killed him. And brought the statue. And fixed the trial. It's MONKEYS all around babe
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FoolyCharged posted:You're assuming it was Brian that did the abductions From Dog: And then, one night, I'm closing up shop when I hear a noise behind me. I might've been off the force for a while, but my instincts weren't totally shot. I wasn't gonna let a kid completely ambush me. So I turn around just in time to look Brian in the face, which caused him to hesitate from shooting that taser. I was unclear as to what exactly he intended to do, but I knew his expression well. It was that of a man about to do something very reckless... and very stupid. I tried to strike up some of the rapport we had previously had, but he was... different. At one point, he mentioned how 'me and my friend Olly would pay for strangling the justice system'. So... he clearly knew more than he did when we had previously met. I was unclear how much more, but he knew more. Still, I tried to get a straight answer out of him, and he continued to act weird. He talked about how it was 'his right' after everything that had happened. He was saying it more to himself than me. And it was at this point I knew that something wasn't right. This kid was in over his head. On a hunch, I asked him if somebody had given him the idea for this, whatever 'this' was. If someone was helping him. In response, he shot me with the taser. ...But before passing out, I got a look at his face, and I knew the answer. We know that Dog was abducted by Brian. We don't know about anyone else, but it can be assumed that he was involved with more than just Dog.
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Yeah, we know Brian abducted Dog. And after the Aces route Red??? and Green??? have a conversation with the lines. quote:Red???:Things should already be in the process of being put into action at this point, correct? There's not much left. For now, I'll handle capturing the mouse, and you get the rest. Think you can handle that? The most obvious reading of that is that Red??? captured Mouse but Green???/Brian captured everyone else. Also this is what Tiger says about her eyesight: quote:Through development, the rods and cones in my retinas weren't properly, er, calibrated, to skip a bunch of science talk. The end result is that I distinguish between light and darkness, but I can't see detail. Think of it as an extreme version of colorblindness. She can see geometry, but not textures. She also seems to have decent eyesight at moderate distance (she was pretty good at darts despite never playing before.) So I think it's just a way to explain why Tiger can't read, rather than opening the door on her misidentifying people. And this is what the game says at the end of the route where all 12 racers live: quote:JE:The finish line has been crossed. The winners are Mouse, Ox, Tiger, Bunny, Dragon, Snake, Horse, Sheep, Monkey, Rooster, Dog, and Pig. Congratulations! Anyone who has not won has lost. Prepare for execution. So my theory is that Brian was a secret 13th participant, who died at the end of the game after failing his victory condition. So he's dead before Mouse comes to confront him, but he'd be alive during the game itself. Doesn't explain why he didn't have much of a reaction to Dog testing him but it explain most other things. As for the murder of Amadeus Bowen it sounds like Rooster had to be involved. Time Line 1.Horse leaves 2.Sheep arrives 3.Tiger arrives 4.Snake arrives 5.Rooster arrives 6.Rooster goes to the bathroom. 7.Sheep goes downstairs for breakfast 8.Death window starts 9.Rooster exits the bathroom 10.Sheep returns 11. Aaron Morris arrives and enters Amadeus Bowen's office 12. Laptop fires Aaron 13. Aaron leaves 14. Snake moves the statue into Amadeus Bowen's office. 15. Death window ends. 16. Rooster enters Amadeus Bowen's office. 17. Police called 18. Bunny arrives 19. Amadeus found dead in his safe T16 Rooster enters the office, is the best opportunity to retrieve the laptop that fired Aaron to get rid of the evidence. Between T7andT9 Rooster also has the opportunity to exit the bathroom and move around undetected so long as he doesn't cross the view from the waiting rooms. So if the windows were only on the upper part of the door then Rooster could sneak below the window of the left waiting room to avoid being seen by Snake and enter the storage closet Not sure what that accomplishes but it's something he could've done. And he's the one with the strongest motive to kill Amadeus Bowen anyway. Also Rooster is probably the one that just killed Dog. The music blaring thing is his M.O., and the game mentions a "gloved hand" with a shotgun. and Rooster is the only member of the cast that wears gloves. (Obv other people can put gloves on, but he's the one wearing them all the time.)
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Elite posted:So my theory is that Brian was a secret 13th participant, who died at the end of the game after failing his victory condition. So he's dead before Mouse comes to confront him, but he'd be alive during the game itself. Doesn't explain why he didn't have much of a reaction to Dog testing him but it explain most other things. Would make sense, the Cat is still important to the Zodiac story despite not being one of them.
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content warning: emetophobia [BGM: Rat's Awakening] ![]() I began to hyperventilate. It felt like a compressor in my stomach was squeezing me to death. I physically felt ill, like vomiting. ...Actually? Yeah, no, I was about to vomit. I've heard some people describe vomiting as 'cathartic'. Those people should be locked in a prison on an island forever. It's a horrid feeling, your insides falling out of you. And when it was done, I didn't feel better, but much, much worse. My head felt so heavy, I almost fell right onto the puddle of vomit. Why? What did I do to deserve all of this? Why can't I just get my life back? I never did anything wrong! I was a good kid! I had a life! I had friends, dreams, enemies, struggles, fears, deadlines! My life felt like a slog at times, but at least it was my life! Never before had I so desperately wanted something. I just wanted to return to normal. I didn't want to do... to do this. But. How productive is this? Like a switch had been flipped, my body stopped shivering. That's right, me. That's a talent of yours. You can flip that 'fear' switch off. Freaking out accomplished nothing. I could only move forwards with a steady hand. Breathe in. Breathe out. ...Okay. I thought about what had happened. [BGM: Hear No Evil] ![]() When I didn't freak out over remembering the death of Dog, I knew my technique had worked. Still, I felt bad about it. Dog... he was a weird dude. He had kidnapped me without my consent for seemingly half-decent reasons, but there was definitely more to it than that. He had known about a lot of dirty secrets for a long time. He claimed not to care much for life, but... the look of fear that crossed his face that day? No one deserved that. In the end, he was someone who had been murdered. He would be missed.... but thinking any more about his death would be a waste. So, what was strapped to my stomach? I lifted up my shirt and took a look. It was... some sort of metal device. If we were to go by precedent, it was probably a device that could kill me. Awesome. Was it even worth trying to get it off me when I already knew the outcome of such an attempt? Probably not. I decided to go check out the computer. Last time it was a tablet. Now a computer? I tried interacting with it, but it was powered down. Great. Well... there was but so much that could be done inside this classroom. At some point, I'd need to move forwards. Exiting the classroom, I found myself in a hallway. It was at this point that I was certain that this school was a separate one from the place I had previously been imprisoned on. I was clearly on the first floor of the building... It was hard to tell from my current location, but it seemed like this school was a lot smaller than the one I had been at before. Looking on the floor, I noticed a trail of taped arrows leading me, well... somewhere. ![]() I guess that's where I was supposed to go. However, before I could move anywhere, I noticed a familiar face walk out of a nearby classroom. ![]() ![]() Relieved to see someone I knew, I rushed over and hugged him. He responded a little awkwardly, but ultimately responded by embracing me in kind. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I gave Ox the short version of everything that had happened with me. As I explained it to him, he nodded, as if he had expected something like what I was saying. In turn, he gave a brief recap of everything that had occurred on the outside since I was kidnapped. He also talked about how all the past victims had been summoned to Dog's bar, how another mysterious voice spoke over the speakers, and how they were all ambushed. ![]() Ox took a deep sigh. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Resigned to our fate, we followed the arrows. They took us down a long, straight, winding hallway that passed by a number of classrooms. Eventually, we took a right turn, and then two left turns up a short staircase that brought us to a second floor. Moving a bit forwards from there, the arrows led into a library. And, in that library... were 9 familiar faces. [BGM: Bullfighter] ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Pig looked sick. ![]() I didn't need to finish her sentence. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() In the back of the room, Rooster was leaning against a wall, looking furious. Well, it was an understandable reaction, but compared to how he took things seemingly in stride last time... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() [BGM: Silence] ![]() ![]() ![]() Before I could say anything else, a voice played over the speakers. ???: Attention, bidders. Please, be silent. A very important announcement is about to begin. Anyone who disrupts said announcement shall be punished. And just like that, a projector stacked on a bookshelf nearby turned on, and began to project a bizarre video on the whiteboard. Last time, we were greeted with a live feed of Brian in a mask and hoodie. [BGM: Rat's Awakening] ![]() This time, however, we were shown an image of what looked like a cat burning in hell, drawn in a very crude art style. Gothic horror wouldn't be the term to describe this style... ...Snake would be better suited to describe it than me. ![]() ![]() ![]() Suddenly, Monkey spoke out. ![]() ![]() All of a sudden, Monkey winced in pain, clutching her stomach. ![]() ![]() We all got the point. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The screen changed to an image of a wheel, with the Zodiac Animals all wrapped around it. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() And just like that, the projector shut down. ![]()
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i'm going on a trip out of town this weekend so i'm posting the update today so i can have tomorrow to prepare/pack/etc ![]()
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Mix. posted:Suddenly, Monkey spoke out. oh man, a scream arm slice in action? Enjoy the trip, Mix!
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Welp. There goes my assumption this was going straight into whodunit.
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It also seems less gamey. As far as I can tell, only a maximum of 4 players can actually survive? Anyway, that's assuming this is a proper second half of the game.
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Marluxia posted:It also seems less gamey. As far as I can tell, only a maximum of 4 players can actually survive? Anyway, that's assuming this is a proper second half of the game. Rules as presented, if everyone just picks up 2 of their own cards and then waits for the table to have everyone's card available, everyone just picks up a third of their own, everyone has 9 points, everyone is a "dominant animal", everyone has the most cards of a dominant animal, everyone ties and survives (except for Dog who can't pick up cards since he's already dead, so he unfortunately is going to be executed a second time). Of course we have traitors involved, so absolutely that won't work.
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Is it just me or is this sequence feeling bad? ![]() As for the bidding game rules, it's interesting that you can no longer operate other people's computers. Survival seems very hard. It's restricted to 4 at most if there's 1 dominant animal. It's not clear what happens if there are multiple dominant animals, but maybe that's how everyone can survive. If you assume only 4 can survive, it's better to form a coalition of 4 that can shovel cards into the target animal. The scores of everyone else in the group don't matter much. There are no animal masks this time, but the Cat could still have been a recording. Monkey's interjection could have been pre-planned to throw off suspicion over how automated this game is too.
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Marluxia posted:It also seems less gamey. As far as I can tell, only a maximum of 4 players can actually survive? Anyway, that's assuming this is a proper second half of the game. No, if someone gets 9 points but all 4 of their cards are on the table, everyone ties with 0.
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