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Inept posted:Yeah but running a desktop instead of a Pi for the previous 4 years would have cost them at least an extra hundred bucks in electricity, and probably several hundred I've been using an Intel NUC that I got used on eBay for $140 for 8-ish years now, an i5-4250U idles at 6W, the whole thing is under 20W at full tilt, and even with a 9 year old processor it runs laps around the Pi 4. Pis idle at what, 3W? So I've used worst case like $100 more in power, but realistically it's a wash because it's idle most of the time. Edit: if you're trying to min/max this the pro move is a fanless setup that you also use as your router so that you can avoid paying the watts for a separate router. AT&Ts router is hot as hell and sucks tons of power but I can't do anything about it. Twerk from Home fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Jun 11, 2023 |
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Thanks Ants posted:Thanks to the people mentioning NextDNS, giving that a spin now and it's very capable I used to recommend a pi hole for years then realised I valued my time more than a couple of quid a month
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Jun 11, 2023 10:46
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For what it’s worth, I use Pi-Hole in a docker container on my unRAID server that blocks nearly 2,000,000 domains, and it works like a charm. Zero tinkering needed.
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That opendns.io thing looks interesting, I may give that a try! My pihole pi froze or something and it hosed up a bunch of stuff so I’m off the pi hole train (on a pi) for good. Might put it on a docker on my unraid like suggested above.
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Jun 11, 2023 20:56
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Most of the "poo poo broke" issues with stuff that people like to run on a pi, isn't due to the thing they're trying to run, but due to the pi using SD cards. SD cards are poo poo and whoever thought it was a good idea to use them on the pi should get a loving paddlin' 
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Jun 11, 2023 21:10
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Wibla posted:Most of the "poo poo broke" issues with stuff that people like to run on a pi, isn't due to the thing they're trying to run, but due to the pi using SD cards. Yup at my work we have a bunch of pis and the method for resetting them if something goes wrong is cycling the power on remote control power bars, which leads to them being cycled at a bad time which has already led to several sd cards getting corrupted despite my warnings that this would happen 
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Jun 11, 2023 21:15
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I have no idea how the pihole I've been running for something like 8 years is still going on the same sd card. I even have it hooked up to a smart plug because I didn't want to have to get to where it is if it fails and needs a restart. All it does is run pihole & openvpn, but godspeed lil RPi 2b
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Jun 11, 2023 21:19
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I am currently trying to psyche myself up for setting up network boot for some pi 3b+s.
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Wayne Knight posted:I am currently trying to psyche myself up for setting up network boot for some pi 3b+s. Network boot rules I wanted to do that but IT wouldn’t let us
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priznat posted:Network boot rules I wanted to do that but IT wouldn’t let us Jerk control freaks. They should be overjoyed that people want to dhcp provision systems.
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xzzy posted:Jerk control freaks. They should be overjoyed that people want to dhcp provision systems. I can’t tell if you’re serious or joking lol I kind of see why from their perspective but they keep stuff EXTREMELY locked down and we are always banging against their limitations. Now my boss just escalates any issues to the director level and workarounds get found pretty fast 
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Jun 12, 2023 03:05
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Mostly serious.  They should be happy that users want to automate stuff in a consistent way and either work with you to get a good solution in place or simply set it up for you. I know I'm happy whenever a group comes to me asking for stuff like that.
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xzzy posted:Mostly serious. Yeah if we could even get a block of IPs we could maintain with our own dhcp it would be cool, one thing I would like to have is ability to use Fog to reimage servers and it kinda requires that (or did anyway) but that got shot down too One thing that is funny in a testing environment is how fast we blow through using up IP addresses, you can tell that stresses our IT out. We need several though, host & bmc, usb to ip (rpi in this case) for uart, power control for 2-3 setups, analyzers and exercisers, labPCs, jtag probes, etc etc.. all the test equipment these days is IP based! Kind of a derail but man it’s a real balancing act for IT depts between enabling engineering and locking it down for security.
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I'm yet to see an IT that doesn't just utterly fail to balance this and just locks everything down. Engineering then just works around them with sneaky policy breaking solutions, which usually end up being far less secure than whatever compromise could've been worked out.
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Splode posted:I'm yet to see an IT that doesn't just utterly fail to balance this and just locks everything down. Engineering then just works around them with sneaky policy breaking solutions, which usually end up being far less secure than whatever compromise could've been worked out. One hundred percent correctamundo
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priznat posted:Yeah if we could even get a block of IPs we could maintain with our own dhcp it would be cool, one thing I would like to have is ability to use Fog to reimage servers and it kinda requires that (or did anyway) but that got shot down too So I'm guessing that a lot of that specialist equipment is still IPv4 only, so a suggestion of "just go to IPv6 already, you get infinite addresses" won't work. But a testing / engineering lab seems like an ideal case to segment off and put behind a NAT gateway.
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IT not working with OT* is a favorite topic of mine. A lot of time OT doesn't need every single thing they ask for, but lack the specialist knowledge of firewalls or other protocols they have been asked to add to a system, so they ask for the whole thing to start isolating the problem. *(which is a dumb acronym but ok whatever, at least it acknowledges the difference in work philosophy)
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You can just pick a /16, maybe one that's assigned to China, or HP, and make it not externally routed, then use it for whatever. Assuming you've already exhausted your 192.168 and 10. adresses somehow If you're somehow needing to request individual up addresses for internally routed test equipment, your IT department has massively hosed up, and your boss is bad at their job for not requesting they design a sustainable network design/topology
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Hadlock posted:Assuming you've already exhausted your 192.168 and 10. adresses somehow There's also 172.16 - 172.31
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Vaporware posted:IT not working with OT* is a favorite topic of mine. A lot of time OT doesn't need every single thing they ask for, but lack the specialist knowledge of firewalls or other protocols they have been asked to add to a system, so they ask for the whole thing to start isolating the problem. OT is a dumb acronym but it works to at least START to explain to people that OT and IT is not the same, and OT is always, unquestionably, going to be a complete dumpster fire*. That said, with the background I have (10 years as an industrial automation engineer, 20+ years loving with IT and networks), I'm happy to at least be able to explain to the firewall experts what I need and how poo poo should work. This saved our bacon during the recent firewall migrations. Of course there's still skeletons falling out of that closet, which is how I'm currently racking up a pretty silly amount of double time for not a lot of actual work. *I'm an OT network engineer at a large public transit org and I got the last call about a switch loving poo poo up for prod about an hour ago 
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what is OT? I assume you’re not talking about occupational therapy
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Subjunctive posted:what is OT? I assume you’re not talking about occupational therapy
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Thanks! Also glad it’s not Thetans.
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seaching "it vs ot" has a lot of results, usually referencing electronics in factories and industryquote:Contrary to IT, which is mainly focused on making data available, OT is focused on making machines impact the physical world. That said, I've never heard someone use the term OT before just now
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Subjunctive posted:Thanks! Also glad it’s not Thetans. LOLOL I use the term "OT" all the time. My training events even have an OT class. It is very much a thing in the US energy sector.
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Is there a good thread for IT/OT struggles? It would be useful to get advice on how to translate our lab network requests to make it something easier for our IT group to implement and not hate us (too much). Currently it’s just such a hassle with all the locked down stuff like how devices in the lab are locked to a particular managed switch port etc. Makes it a real pain for equipment that may move around. We literally string 100’ ethernet cables between benches to allow us to be more mobile with devices lol.
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It’s the DevOps thread. We’re all very tired.
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Oh yeah this seems to suck for everyone on both sides. We just got a new system to replace our old "register a MAC and connect what you want, there is an AD domain if you want to use that for login" network. The new one is "citrix to a Windows server, then ssh/rdp to a RHEL/Windows VM if you need to install anything". It's theoretically possible to connect physical hardware, but that requires a risk evaluation, and those are backlogged and take a bit over a year if they even find you worthy of being in the queue. We currently do things like plonking down a few GPU-heavy workstations and a staging file server next to automated research microscopes. This does not appear to have been considered in the solution design, despite loud repeated protests.
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I've got 12TB online with my RPi4 media server now. I'm only mentioning this so that the new poster who came here can feel like we're active in the thread. Most of us, I think, are like "yeah, Raspberry Pi was pretty neat before they were selling for $300 each". But everybody is probably doing like I am: plodding along with the same boards we had 3 years ago.
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I have two CM3s that apparently are going for about $200 now that I'm switching sd cards back and forth on. The RPi foundation announced a couple months ago they were increasing production. Mostly RPi 4. I hope it shows up at the consumer end soon.
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Gonna get my HA Yellow with a CM4 any day now. Annnnnnnnnnnnnnny day now.
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I just had the home theatre thread up and got confused at the "CM4" thing, as that's a B&W speaker  (I'd be pretty excited about CM4's being right around the corner, in that case)
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I have a project that depends on pi 3b+'s, so I hope they make more. I'll probably end up buying something like 20 of them if they ever come down to regular prices.
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Wibla posted:I just had the home theatre thread up and got confused at the "CM4" thing, as that's a B&W speaker
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I am using a raspberry pi 400 to prototype some hobby projects that might end up on a 3b, possibly a 1b or zero. Very useful, especially if I have to compile anything.
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I’ve freed up my Pi 3B+ from where I’d installed one in a Pimoroni arcade machine years ago, with the original intention of putting it to work on Pi-hole duty… and then remembered the effective 300 Mbit ethernet, which is less than half my internet speed. So instead I’m setting it up as a testbed for open source projects. Suggestions are welcome, but my first experiment will be GZDoom…
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You can probably still use it for PiHole if you wanted to. It will only be handling DNS requests and they don't require a lot of bandwidth.
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Hasturtium posted:the original intention of putting it to work on Pi-hole duty… and then remembered the effective 300 Mbit ethernet, which is less than half my internet speed Doesn't matter -- your internet traffic is not going through the pihole. It's just fielding DNS requests (and black-holing some of them). DNS requests are tiny, so the limited bandwidth etc matters not at all. After the pihole responds with "yep somethingawful.com is at 100.105.99.107" or "doubleclick.com? never heard of it!" the rest of your internet traffic is going straight through the router and thence to your destination, and the pi is totally uninvolved. Even a pi zero W can run a pihole just fine. 3B is actually overkill. (But the physically wired ethernet is nice -- the pihole does become a critical part of your network so a more reliable connection is good.)
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So I've browsed the last few pages of this thread and read the thread title, and it seems like general consensus is the pi doesn't have very good value right now? I really want to set up a pihole or equivalent on my home network. What do you suggest as the most cost-effective ± simple way to get this done? I do not want to leave my PC on 24/7 so a virtual machine won't work. Am I in the wrong thread?
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