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For the record, the clues are that Hoid mockingly calls Thaidakar "The Lord of Scars" and notes that, if this uppity behavior continues, he may have to go administer another rear end-kicking. The list of people whom Hoid has beat up has exactly one name on it.
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CapnAndy posted:For the record, the clues are that Hoid mockingly calls Thaidakar "The Lord of Scars" and notes that, if this uppity behavior continues, he may have to go administer another rear end-kicking. The list of people whom Hoid has beat up has exactly one name on it. General Cosmere spoilers., don't hover if not caught up:It's two names, but the chances of Thaidakar being Adonalsium were pretty low.
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Ojjeorago posted:General Cosmere spoilers., don't hover if not caught up:It's two names, but the chances of Thaidakar being Adonalsium were pretty low. Using the powers of creation to destroy God is a little different from kicking someone's rear end
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Jul 13, 2023 21:01
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Warbreaker chapters 13-24 I'm really liking the actual relationship between Siri and Susebron, even though it is nothing like a real marriage. Him being a tongueless mute controlled by Treledees was not at all what I was expecting. I did like Siri taking it in stride though, she's definitely got that in her. I'm still unsure what would actually happen if they had a kid given that he wouldn't be able to transfer his Breaths without a tongue to speak the commands. I did like Siri teaching him sarcasm, and then him immediately telling her that she's normal. Vivenna is slowly sliding into acceptance of her situation with the Breaths, and mercenaries, and all the colors she can see. One thing though, the Mercenaries are leading her around pretty much everywhere. They've been really good at framing it as advice and ultimately her decision, but the group is doing what they want, going where they want, and for the most part meeting who they want. I'm not ready to say they're being nefarious, but I can totally see things going that way. I also like that Vivenna had some run-ins with Vasher before he broke into Mercystar's house and snuck into the secret passage, considering that I'm still thinking they may team up. I have another fun theory, almost certainly involving Vivenna. I've been looking at all the Returned god's names, and I think Warbreaker fits the theme, especially after Peaceyearning. I think Warbreaker is a Returned god that gets killed and Returned during this book, and (based on the cover) I think it might end up being Vivenna. The cover is obviously one of the two sisters, and my thoughts is that it's whichever of them becomes a Returned god, and I feel like Vivenna is the more likely of the two, though either is possible. Lightsong has also been fun in these chapters. He and Blushweaver have some fun flirting, though she's got a very manipulative side to her that I think may force Lightsong to oppose her at some point. It is really weird that he's some kind of savant at the ball throwing game, but maybe he was really good at this stuff in his past life. I hope he gets more out of his priest that seems to know his past self as well. Progress so far: 
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End of Warbreaker spoilers: I still don't know what the deal with that ball throwing game was. Was it just a gag about him being lucky or is there some significance/clue to his identity that I missed?
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pik_d, I’m really looking forward to your Way of Kings check-ins, it’s gonna be cool reliving reading it for the first time vicariously. I’ve been lazy about reading secret projects 2 and 3 and decided to start Children of Time before I jump into SP2. I finished Wyrd Sisters (Discworld) and Kindred by Octavia Butler and wasn’t ready for more fantasy yet and am taking a sci-fi detour.
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Louisgod posted:pik_d, I’m really looking forward to your Way of Kings check-ins, it’s gonna be cool reliving reading it for the first time vicariously. Children of Time is incredible
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CapnAndy posted:End of Warbreaker spoilers: I still don't know what the deal with that ball throwing game was. Was it just a gag about him being lucky or is there some significance/clue to his identity that I missed? That game is a coded reference to the entire plot of the cosmere, and if you're deep enough in the lore the connections are obvious. or maybe he's just really lucky
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I'm like 75% through Secret Project 3 and it's been fantastic, different enough from the old stuff but still familiar Sanderson. Hoid's narration is much less then it was in SP1 which helps. Spoiler from like chapter 4-5ish from SP3 about the overall cosmere Hoid mentions how he didn't give Design a real body "because we all know how badly that goes" and he is telling this story on Roshar, makes me think the Spren body experiments from the end of the last book are going to lead to a real shitstorm
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socialsecurity posted:Spoiler from like chapter 4-5ish from SP3 about the overall cosmere Hoid mentions how he didn't give Design a real body "because we all know how badly that goes" and he is telling this story on Roshar, makes me think the Spren body experiments from the end of the last book are going to lead to a real shitstorm Which isn't really a surprise, of course.
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Stormfather tried to get a physical body and goes all Akira on Roshar, end of book 5
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Louisgod posted:pik_d, I’m really looking forward to your Way of Kings check-ins, it’s gonna be cool reliving reading it for the first time vicariously. Children of Time is 100% worth the detour. It's real good. The Final Architect series was pretty good too, but not as good.
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Tunicate posted:That game is a coded reference to the entire plot of the cosmere, and if you're deep enough in the lore the connections are obvious. I had always though it was because he was an accountant and the weird scoring rules and mulipliers and things just made intuitive sense to him, so he'd just lob it to wherever his intuition told him Learn something new every day
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Tunicate posted:That game is a coded reference to the entire plot of the cosmere, and if you're deep enough in the lore the connections are obvious. I thought it was just plucked from a cut scene in Elantris, according to the Elantris commentary. I'm gonna need some specifics from you on this theory you're asserting, if you're serious, because I'm really, really not seeing it and I have done some pretty deep Coppermind dives.
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the first thing you have to understand is that the colors of the balls correspond to their point value or something, gently caress if I've read that scene at any point in the last 10 years
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CK07 posted:I thought it was just plucked from a cut scene in Elantris, according to the Elantris commentary. I'm gonna need some specifics from you on this theory you're asserting, if you're serious, because I'm really, really not seeing it and I have done some pretty deep Coppermind dives. p sure it was just a joke and lightsong's good at the game because it's funny
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I always read it as him messing with people by pretending not to care but actually paying attention and making sure he still wins.
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I always figured it was a non-sports-loving author making fun of sports with intricate rules.
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I always figured the game was so complex, convoluted and ridiculous that Lightsong appeared to be a genius at it just by playing it randomly
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smackfu posted:I always figured it was a non-sports-loving author making fun of sports with intricate rules. Synesthesian Fetish posted:I always figured the game was so complex, convoluted and ridiculous that Lightsong appeared to be a genius at it just by playing it randomly OK yeah this was where I am generally. Just checking, you never know with this guy.
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Warbreaker chapters 25-35 Feels early for the Sanderlanche, but some poo poo has definitely happened now. Siri has been taking some real initiative with Susebron and the situation around her. Teaching him about gods and the outside, world, while also making friends with Lightsong and the two of them helping each other with their "cases" as P.I. Lightsong would call them. Making contingency plans with Bluefingers also seems important. I am curious about the God Kings though, for a while I was assuming that Susebron was the only one to have his tongue removed, but Siri seems to be assuming that's not the case for some reason. But her sister really has her eclipsed, first going full blown revolutionary with her merc buddies, then learning a little bit about Awakening right before getting captured by Vasher, escaping that, and finding out her merc buddies aren't actually even her mercs. Last time I said that they were leading her around, and yeah, she was their "captive" apparently and now they hosed up by assuming she ran away. Denth is very dangerous but he can't kill her without giving up the Breaths she has. Vivenna is going to have to convince Vasher to help her now, somehow. I think not being tempted by the sword will go some way to swaying his opinion of her but he did just tell her not to escape or he'd kill her. Welp. RIP Parlin though, had a crush on Jewels, told Vivenna she was good for him, then died. I think Vivenna brings him back as a Lifeless. Lightsong has ALSO started taking initiative with his investigations and everything. I think things with him and Blushweaver will come to a head soon enough, I think she's the one who hired Denth and Tonk Fah. I think she wanted them to astroturf an Idrian rising up so that she could convince everyone else to get ready for war. It could also be Treledees, but I've seen him less so I don't know. Blushweaver calling Siri a slut when Lightsong couldn't hear was also interesting. It's obvious Blushweaver thinks she has some control over Lightsong, but as I said, I think things between them will break down soon. And Hoid showed up! This is the second time he's got himself in a position of gathering knowledge. He was an informant in Mistborn era 1, and now he's a storyteller. In Elantris he just did some work for Sarene. I wonder if this is all I'll see of him here, similar to the other books. Progress so far:
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Warbreaker chapters 36-48 I didn't realize how close I was to the end. All the annotations at the end of the ebook made me think there was another 300 pages, but I've really only got like two more days of reading, including today. I'm actually around 80% so I think the Sanderlanche is about to start. Siri and Susebron have really been making headway with getting on the same page. He's finally acknowledging that actually yes, she's got a point about his priests. They're also loving which was literally the one thing they shouldn't be doing. The deal with Peacegiver saying he may come back to use the 50,000+ Breaths that the God Kings are passing on is interesting, feels very "second coming of Christ" type deal. I am very much looking forward to Siri going to Lightsong, that'll be a really fun conversation. Lightsong is really moving his plot along too. I'm still not sure about the red panther, I feel like it's supposed to represent someone. Vasher? One of the princesses? Kalad's hidden army? Lightsong's history doesn't make a lot of sense to me, he's starting to think he was an Idrian soldier before he Returned, but there wouldn't have been a war five years ago for him to die in, with the treaty in effect for two decades. I did like his "betrayal" of Blushweaver though, I've been waiting for the two of them to take their masks off and actually confront each other. They call each other "dear" and flirt, but they clearly want completely different things. Giving his codes to Allmother, then receiving hers, then finally taking control of a full half of the Lifeless army so he has equal power to Blushweaver isn't going to end with smiles and flirtation. I'm also wondering if the woman that appears in his dreams is a sister, or possibly a princess of his, Vivenna maybe? Finally, Vivenna has been through the wringer. From a Princess bride, to a revolutionary, to the lowest of the lowly beggars and a Drab, now having to beg with tears in her eyes for her lost people to not fight. And she's back on her feet, learning to Awaken, has her own sword, and is partnering up with Vasher. I also like that Vivenna is clearly suspicious that Nightblood is a "type four" entity. I'm curious what needs to happen to make one since Vasher wouldn't tell. I'm wondering if it costs the Awakener's life. She's definitely the woman on the cover, though neither sword (Nightblood nor the dueling blade she got) really matches the cover art. I still think she's dying and becoming the Returned God Warbreaker, I can definitely see her doing something heroic enough now. Progress so far:
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CapnAndy posted:For the record, the clues are that Hoid mockingly calls Thaidakar "The Lord of Scars" and notes that, if this uppity behavior continues, he may have to go administer another rear end-kicking. The list of people whom Hoid has beat up has exactly one name on it. Pretty sure he beats himself up all the time.
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pik_d posted:Warbreaker chapters 36-48 I had the same problem, I thought a quarter of the book was left and then the next chapter was the last one. I didn’t really like having the annotations so prominently linked at the beginning and end of each chapter either. But mainly because they weren’t that interesting. And you had to constantly watch for the next annotation paragraph being spoilers.
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smackfu posted:I had the same problem, I thought a quarter of the book was left and then the next chapter was the last one. I'm just putting them off until I finish more stuff. I read the Elantris ones and they were fun, but I wasn't sure about the first Mistborn era ones spoiling future books in the trilogy or beyond, so I'll just go over them all sometime down the line.
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I've mentioned it before but Sanderson is excellent at kicking his main characters to their lowest lows and then bringing them back for some badass comeuppance. Warbreaker did it best imo.
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Potato Salad posted:Pretty sure he beats himself up all the time. While this is true, you're forgetting that (I don't think this is explicitly spelled out but it's hinted pretty heavily through comments in some books) Hoid isn't a person, so he doesn't count for that list. 
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It'll be interesting to see what this is https://twitter.com/BrandSanderson/status/1681672667206758400 
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No way I'm going to remember that come this November, let alone next. Good thing someone else will.
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LASER BEAM DREAM posted:It'll be interesting to see what this is 
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Brandon, a year from now: It was Tuesday
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immoral_ posted:No way I'm going to remember that come this November, let alone next. I misread this and thought I forgot that SA5 comes out this year, and was super disappointed when I reread your post  That SA5 prologue was crazy, and considering what happened in Rhythm of War... The book will be so insane, and to have to wait more than a year for it is torture.
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Torrannor posted:I misread this and thought I forgot that SA5 comes out this year, and was super disappointed when I reread your post Providing minor disappointments seems to have become my goal in life lately, so at least I've got that going for me.
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Warbreaker chapters 49-End Finished the book! Honestly so much still doesn't make sense to me. The Pahn Kahl plot only really became clear to me in the first part of this section, and even then I wasn't really sure. Honestly Treledees felt suspicious up until right before he died since we were seeing him through Siri's eyes. The whole deal with Vasher and Denth both being Returned from the Manywar also really got me. I was sure Vivenna was going to a) be the girl on the cover (which she was) and b) be the titular character. But no, Vasher's gotta have all the names to himself. Both Kalad and Peacemaker, and then Warbreaker as well as some other names that no one ever used. Lifesong's sacrifice became obvious as soon as Susebron got put in a cell next to him, but then he figured that out at the same time. It was still really nice for Lifesong to believe in the last moment, then basically save the day. Little bummed out that the Red Panther was just the ship he died on. Gotta say Blushweaver's death shocked me though, that was sudden and brutal. I do like Vivenna pulling a "monkey see, monkey do" and just going "Well Vasher did this, it'll probably work" especially just yeeting Nightblood at some guys. Then Vasher had some fun tricks of his own, making Denth literally colorgasm to death. And Susebron became the first individual in this story that actually felt close to godlike to me, though on that subject it didn't feel like anyone really got into the whole shard thing. Austre is the closest thing to maybe possibly a shard, but the name doesn't fit the scheme. It's nice that Susebron/Siri and potentially Vasher/Vivenna got some kind of happy ending, though V&V are gonna dive right into a potential sequel. Hopefully someone wrote to dad. Honesetly this Sanderlanche really slapped me in the face and didn't give me as many answers as I wanted. How did the royal blood line get some Returned blood if even the God King can't have children? Are the other God Kings really just on a farm somewhere? Is Austre real? Will Vasher get any more names? Will the government be less hosed up now? I'm gonna read the first Stormlight book next, and I know the Stormlight stuff has some crossovers, so I'm hoping to see some old faces along with the new ones. 
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I love Warbreaker up until the final couple chapters where I feel like it rushes an unsatisfying ending. Almost all of the stuff up to the ending is so loving good. Then that last like 5% feels intensely rushed. The last 5% or so should have been about 3x longer.
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To me, it feels like the ending of the book was written planning for a sequel because it rushes a lot, leaves so many unanswered questions, and also the Epilogue scene with Vivenna and Vasher heading off to chase Yesteel with even more powerful ichor feels like it was written very much as a 'hook' for the next plotline. IIRC, Sanderson does have plans for a direct sequel to Warbreaker, but it's annually described on hiatus as "no progress this year, wasn't planning to be any progress this year, still firmly on the back burner for a while" so no idea when that'll happen.
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I was annoyed over Warbreaker's rushed ending before knowing there'll eventually be a sequel and that there's crossover in other books.
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