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MOTN This poll is closed. |
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| JERICHO VS KOMANDER |
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0 | 0% |
| SAMMY AND DANNY VS CASSIDY AND DARBY |
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8 | 11.59% |
| MAX AND ADAM VS BRIAN AND BIG |
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24 | 34.78% |
| RUBY VS SKYE |
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1 | 1.45% |
| NICK VS SWERVE |
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36 | 52.17% |
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Cartridgeblowers posted:Like, Ibushi is exciting to me because I know who he is but y'all are severely out of touch if you think the average person knows or cares about him. Sorry! Dumb take
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Jul 18, 2023 16:25
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History Comes Inside! posted:Dumb take You heard the confused silence from the crowd when it was announced... Oh. Oh.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:29
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I don’t know if the average WWF fan is gonna know or care about this Y2J guy
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Jul 18, 2023 16:31
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Of course people will know Ibushi, he wrestled in WWE
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Jul 18, 2023 16:32
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IMHO they did the reveal perfectly, too. You get a quick video package showing he's a big deal. Kenny shrugs off getting his rear end kicked because of how big a deal this is. They explain just enough in the video package, then give you his name. You then have an entire week to look him up online, see his past matches, and discover his history with Kenny and why he's such a big deal. This is a huge, fundamental difference between AEW and WWE and has been since day one. AEW acknowledges that wrestling exists outside of AEW, that people have histories before AEW, and that those histories can play into things in AEW. The average person can figure it out. WWE does not acknowledge wrestling outside of WWE, you have no history outside of WWE, unless it's a vague "he wrestled on the independent circuit" or if you were in the UFC. There is not one person who watched Dynamite and said "who the hell is that?" without either having a friend explain who Ibushi is, or realizing they could just google it. They gave you enough to realize he's a huge deal.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:37
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I'm just saying I think spending the first hour of Dynamite actually doing a recap of the Golden Lovers stuff would be beneficial! Not everyone watches Japanese wrestling. I spent a lot of Forbidden Door explaining to some friends who the Japanese wrestlers were and why they mattered. It helped and they got into it, but the experience of this forum is not necessarily the experience of the viewer.JUNGLE BOY posted:I don’t know if the average WWF fan is gonna know or care about this Y2J guy lol how disingenuous. WCW in America was as big/bigger than WWF. Not comparable to puro vs. AEW. A Fancy Hat posted:You then have an entire week to look him up online, see his past matches, and discover his history with Kenny and why he's such a big deal. This is insane. Why should people have to Google people and spend a week doing wrestling history research to understand who a person is? Show it on TV! I literally only know Ibushi because I happened to watch that Golden Lovers youtube doc thing awhile back. Otherwise, like, there's only vague "THIS GUY IS IMPORTANT" which is just as bad as what WWE does. Cartridgeblowers fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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Jul 18, 2023 16:38
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yea ok posted:Condescending and moronic. Well done.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:40
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Like, I guess it's dumb or whatever. I dunno. I just want AEW to succeed with more casual viewers. Sorry for bringing it up.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:42
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You underestimate how much the "casual fan" knows, especially the "casual AEW fan". The company has a partnership with NJPW. Forbidden Door is one of the most anticipated shows of the year. The audience goes loving haywire every time any Japanese fella walks through the curtain. The AEW audience, casual or otherwise, might just have a clue about who one of the most prolific Japanese wrestlers of the last decade is.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:44
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Especially one so closely linked with Kenny's career
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Jul 18, 2023 16:44
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Cartridgeblowers posted:I'm just saying I think spending the first hour of Dynamite actually doing a recap of the Golden Lovers stuff would be beneficial! Not everyone watches Japanese wrestling. I spent a lot of Forbidden Door explaining to some friends who the Japanese wrestlers were and why they mattered. It helped and they got into it, but the experience of this forum is not necessarily the experience of the viewer. "spend a week doing research" there are like 10 min vids that can bring you up to speed. also if you've been watching AEW for a few years and not know anything about NJPW or Ibushi then just lol. NJPW is bigger than it's ever been, it's tiring to pretend it's just some indie fed somewhere. it's also not AEW's responsibility to explain its importance to dumbbells who are okay with watching loving Eli Drake say 'yeah' every week. nobody here gives a gently caress about catering to "casuals"
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Jul 18, 2023 16:44
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plato's cave but the shadows have "pro wrestling that appeals to the casual fan" written on them political cartoon style
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Jul 18, 2023 16:45
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Yeah, I get it. The experience of my friends is probably not the experience of most AEW fans I guess. Apologies. No need to be dicks.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:46
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Cartridgeblowers posted:Like, I guess it's dumb or whatever. I dunno. I just want AEW to succeed with more casual viewers. Sorry for bringing it up. casual viewers can't watch the show because when they turn it on for the first time every wrestler will be new and confusing to them and they'll be too scared to continue watching
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Jul 18, 2023 16:47
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Cartridgeblowers posted:Yeah, I get it. The experience of my friends is probably not the experience of most AEW fans I guess. Apologies. No need to be dicks. People get hostile when this comes up because it gets tossed around in bad faith a lot, and its one of those arguments thats been done to death at this point.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:49
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there are 9 other people in the match. You don't have to know anything about Ibushi to want to watch it. Then Ibushi is in the match and does some cool poo poo and then you care about him.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:50
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Jackie D posted:People get hostile when this comes up because it gets tossed around in bad faith a lot, and its one of those arguments thats been done to death at this point. I guess I haven't seen that myself, so I apologize. I love AEW. I want my friends to get more into it. I worry about the company and experiences outside my own. Wasn't trying to stir poo poo. Probably a bad mental health day to post on the internet. Sorry, y'all.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:52
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don't do this it was a joke
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Jul 18, 2023 16:56
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It was the "Sorry!" for me. Only one way to read that and I have pretty low patience with the 'casual fan' argument. I will humbly apologize for calling you a Moron, and we can continue on to better days ahead. May the sun set extra sweetly tonight.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:56
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don't do this either
bebaloorpabopalo fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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Jul 18, 2023 16:56
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fiduciary
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Jul 18, 2023 16:58
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https://twitter.com/wrestlenomics/status/1681330870794199040 Half a Mil Phil does it again. BotB held up pretty well for being 3 irrelevant matches.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:59
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The casual fan argument is nonsense because if you tell the fans someone is a big deal the fans will believe you. Chris Jericho was a midcarder in WCW who never sniffed the main event and his trajectory completely changed in his debut but sure fine it’s disingenuous. Then I’ll use the example of any of the big NXT debuts who showed up on the main roster and they make a big deal out of since less than a quarter of their audience watches NXT. No one wondered if they were losing the casual fan when Kevin Owens or Shinsuke debuted on the main roster It literally happens like a dozen times per year on WWE programming between the royal rumble and everything else
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Jul 18, 2023 17:03
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If people in Saskatoon - a flyover city in Canada - knew who Kota was the there should be no worries about how other crowds will react.
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Jul 18, 2023 17:07
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I dont know if any wrestler exists outside of 
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Jul 18, 2023 17:08
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yea ok posted:https://twitter.com/wrestlenomics/status/1681330870794199040 Unexpected technical issues are a draw.
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Jul 18, 2023 17:10
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The only question I have about Kota for tomorrow is how much does this guy weigh?
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Jul 18, 2023 17:14
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What’s the over/under on Ibushi somehow disappearing and getting lost while in an Uber with Kenny and Nakazawa sitting on either side of him in the back?
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Jul 18, 2023 17:17
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Cartridgeblowers posted:I'm just saying I think spending the first hour of Dynamite actually doing a recap of the Golden Lovers stuff would be beneficial! They couldn't do this on that dynamite since the reveal was done in the last minutes of dynamite. The other shows like Collision, ROH and Rampage are kind of in their own separate universes so it wouldn't make sense to do recaps there. There might be some things on this upcoming dynamite but in my opinion, I don't think that too much needs to be known about ibushi, just that he's a beautiful crazy man that can do beautiful crazy moves... which we will see at blood and guts.
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Jul 18, 2023 17:17
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A Fancy Hat posted:The only question I have about Kota for tomorrow is how much does this guy weigh? he will be worth his weight in gold.
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Jul 18, 2023 17:18
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haunted bong posted:What’s the over/under on Ibushi somehow disappearing and getting lost while in an Uber with Kenny and Nakazawa sitting on either side of him in the back? 3
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Jul 18, 2023 17:20
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Jul 18, 2023 17:24
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Heard Tony Khan is personally walking Ibushi everywhere on one of those toddler leashes
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Jul 18, 2023 17:26
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aew doesnt have casual fans lol. except maybe in a few of the bumblefuck towns they went to recently
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Jul 18, 2023 17:33
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Ibushi shows up to Blood and Guts with Shaq, having accidentally discovered the "In-between world" that links AEW with the rest of reality while walking from the hotel to his rental car. He also shows up with the Codyvator.
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Jul 18, 2023 17:36
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Same number of sides in a golden triangle 
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Jul 18, 2023 17:41
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Ibushi is taken out before the match by a rogue Dippin Dots cart.
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Jul 18, 2023 17:46
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Ibushi runs into Aja Kong on a random street again.
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Jul 18, 2023 17:51
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Cartridgeblowers posted:Like, Ibushi is exciting to me because I know who he is but y'all are severely out of touch if you think the average person knows or cares about him. Sorry! He's about as famous as Kenny Omega or Hangman Adam Page or PAC to the average person. Do what you will with that info.
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Jul 18, 2023 17:55
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The whole time kota ibushi is on tv, they should be calling him "aew's newest superstar" "the golden god" kota "freakin" ibushi, who just loves to have fun
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