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Hwurmp posted:Is there a quick way to reset all the way back to the brand screen? Not exactly "quick," but 1. take stairs positioned right below a black 4-eyes statue. 2. die, refuse the offer.
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if you die repeatedly (as in, deliberately but idk exactly how it works) while voided you can end a run
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Sep 11, 2023 14:12
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Hell loving yeah. Found a 128 floor skip in hard mode. I will absolutely have to go back for the trees I missed but I'm already voided so I'll just get to the end and see what happens.
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Sep 11, 2023 19:00
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Oh god. I didn't mean to do it! I was just trying to talk to her!
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Sep 11, 2023 19:22
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:Do you happen to remember if the backtracking was via glyphing or with the demon statue reset? and how far down you got during it? I've never knowingly backtracked via glyphs. I have backtracked by statue and status bar manipulation. When I meet the Lamia now, they tell me they're not supposed to talk to me now, if that affects things.
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Sep 11, 2023 19:30
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Hard B037 why
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Sep 11, 2023 19:32
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Hwurmp posted:Hard B037
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Sep 11, 2023 19:34
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Hwurmp posted:Hard B037 If it's one of the ones I think it is, to teach you a lesson if you do not learn the lesson there will be other opportunities, because the devs love you and care about your education 
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Sep 11, 2023 19:44
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So does this game become less tedious at some point? I'm around level 210 in void mode. And while there were some fun mechanics so far, I haven't really found anything which grabs me. Maybe I am just using to much brute force to solve it, but I feel like the lack of an undo button makes some levels take way to long. Maybe I just haven't reached the point were it gets good?
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Sep 11, 2023 20:00
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cant cook creole bream posted:So does this game become less tedious at some point? There's a lot more, let's call it meta-puzzles, but the core gameplay will always be the same with different twists.
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Sep 11, 2023 20:23
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cant cook creole bream posted:So does this game become less tedious at some point? you're very close to an ending. i would recommend hanging on until at least you reach that, and then deciding whether you want to keep exploring
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Sep 11, 2023 20:27
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The first 230 floors or so is usually the driest part. It's really freakin well done but things can get a lot more free form and easy afterwards if you secret hunt a bit instead of immediately progressing.
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Sep 11, 2023 20:33
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cant cook creole bream posted:So does this game become less tedious at some point?
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Sep 11, 2023 21:27
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I'm trying to figure out if I've actually finished all the primary content in the game now? I've completed a run as Gray, Lillie, and as Cif. I've gone through DIS as Gray as well, I think all I would have left are some weird meta secrets/collecting the rest of the crystals.
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Sep 11, 2023 22:07
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:As others have said, you're very close to an ending and things are going to open up a bit. If you're curious about the exact floor you need to reach, it's B225 I did that now. Afterwards I went around the starting levels and gave some locusts to a guy twice. Went there. It's interesting, but I feel like I'm not really willing to backtrack that much. Maybe some other day. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Sep 11, 2023 |
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Sep 11, 2023 22:11
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cant cook creole bream posted:I did that now. Afterwards I went around the starting levels and gave some locusts to a guy twice. Went there. I'm in the same boat. Got to ~B029 on the second playthrough, accidentally activated a level skip, got to a string of levels I don't really care for with a lot of enemies to avoid and very little margin for error. I'm glad there's a ton of stuff to find, but the bulk of the game now seems to be playing the same puzzles again to unlock/discover the next thing and... I don't really want to do that.
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Sep 11, 2023 22:45
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figuring out what to do with the murals is what really starts to reveal the secrets of the game and helps to make all the puzzles significantly easier
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Sep 11, 2023 23:38
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goferchan posted:Ouch. Can you at least use the special brand to jump right to hard mode? If you don't have a screenshot of it I can give you one This just happened to me, didn't realize that also lost my crystals. That sucks. Can someone post the sword and first hardmode brands? I already have the wing and cube ones. Not cool, game.
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Sep 11, 2023 23:44
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WhiteHowler posted:I'm in the same boat. Got to ~B029 on the second playthrough, accidentally activated a level skip, got to a string of levels I don't really care for with a lot of enemies to avoid and very little margin for error. No Wave fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Sep 12, 2023 |
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Sep 11, 2023 23:46
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so yesterday somewhere in the 100s I was given a hint about falling or going down in front of the "smirking" statues being a shortcut. Then later in the 160s I saw a four-eyed black statue and thought "what if I do the same thing?" long story short I don't want to play this game anymore  all the way back to B001 are you for loving real with me here???? arrrgh
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Sep 12, 2023 00:29
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This comes after restarting in the 60s because I was sus as gently caress of that bat fucker and his fruit and said no, sending me right on back to start. so yeahhhhhh
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Sep 12, 2023 00:31
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That's what you get for rejecting bat fucker  do yourself a favor, remove the stairs on B023 and jump down the hole, then do a 4-eyed statue reset and check out the rock on B002 and also trust any and all sketchy people you run into, because they will gently caress you over but you will get critical information from being hosed over that can be applied on later runs
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Sep 12, 2023 00:48
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Guys I was resetting a room by falling into a hole but I suddenly jumped forward about 10-ish levels, which I think happened because I fell in front of a smiley statue? I have this sick feeling that I have access to pretty much all (or at least, most) of the game's mechanics available to me already, I just don't know how to activate them.... Anyway I'm on B150 now and I have a fighting game input doppelganger where L/R is reversed but not U/D?? Artelier fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Sep 12, 2023 |
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Sep 12, 2023 01:00
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Artelier posted:I have this sick feeling that I have access to pretty much all (or at least, most) of the game's mechanics available to me already, I just don't know how to activate them.... correct, good luck
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Sep 12, 2023 01:09
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Is this just about repeating the same puzzles multiple times? I got a "normal" ending I didn't realize how the staff worked so I died on the very first screen of the game with no fairies and stayed in void mode throughout. At around B2xx or so I got a blank area where I decided to try to build one of the mural codes I've seen throughout the game, but suddenly a song started up and started warping me through various more and more broken levels before the game exited. The second run through seems to be exactly the same as the first apart from some diamonds I can collect that I don't think were there the first time, and all the trees are withered since I got them the first time round, and some dialog changes. I don't really feel like repeatedly doing all the floors again. Did I miss something?
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Sep 12, 2023 01:18
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ymgve posted:Is this just about repeating the same puzzles multiple times? I got a "normal" ending I didn't realize how the staff worked so I died on the very first screen of the game with no fairies and stayed in void mode throughout. At around B2xx or so I got a blank area where I decided to try to build one of the mural codes I've seen throughout the game, but suddenly a song started up and started warping me through various more and more broken levels before the game exited. The second run through seems to be exactly the same as the first apart from some diamonds I can collect that I don't think were there the first time, and all the trees are withered since I got them the first time round, and some dialog changes. I don't really feel like repeatedly doing all the floors again. Did I miss something? the song & warpy rooms are the Voided ending if you can make it all the way through without going Void, you'll get a different ending and unlock hard mode
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Sep 12, 2023 01:31
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Ciaphas posted:so yesterday somewhere in the 100s I was given a hint about falling or going down in front of the "smirking" statues being a shortcut. Then later in the 160s I saw a four-eyed black statue and thought "what if I do the same thing?" 
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Hwurmp posted:the song & warpy rooms are the Voided ending Is that required for continuing? Because I find it hard enough doing the game in normal mode with all the mistakes I do.
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Sep 12, 2023 01:35
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ymgve posted:Is that required for continuing? Because I find it hard enough doing the game in normal mode with all the mistakes I do. if you are dying a whole, whole lot and can't keep hold of your locusts, there is a cheaty secret that may help before opening any locust chest, push down into it from the top 3 times and then wait 3 seconds
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ymgve posted:Is that required for continuing? Because I find it hard enough doing the game in normal mode with all the mistakes I do.
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No Wave posted:If you're going to quit the game anyways you can at least (big big spoilers) copy the pattern of the third mural (B57) onto floor B67. you might find sticking around more enticing. Thanks, I'll try it. I tried recreating one of the murals on a floor with the same number of tiles during my first run, and nothing happened. I figured I wasn't doing it right. Edit: That didn't do anything that I could see. Ended up on the next floor. WhiteHowler fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Sep 12, 2023 |
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Sep 12, 2023 01:53
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No Wave posted:Die on purpose and reject the fruit. You earned a relevant present when you finished the void run but the game won't tell you until you go back to the brand entry screen. How do I restart my run?
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Sep 12, 2023 01:59
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WhiteHowler posted:Thanks, I'll try it. ymgve posted:How do I restart my run? No Wave fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Sep 12, 2023 |
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Sep 12, 2023 02:02
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No Wave posted:If (not a spoiler for ymgve) you're voided you have to find a black four eyes statue and put stairs directly under it (like the stairs steup you walked into at the end of your void run), then die and reject the fruit. If you're not voided just die and reject the fruit. These are both ways to go back to the title screen. One of the recent patches changed a thing that I don't want to even bother spoiling since it's pretty critical to know-- if you're voided but want to bail all the way back to the "put in a brand" screen, if you jump down any pit enough times in succession you'll end up on a black screen. If you hit A several times you'll get back up and keep going, but if you hit A once and then leave the controller alone you'll eventually just die. Holding select after that will quit the game and let you restart with a new brand.
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:One of the recent patches changed a thing that I don't want to even bother spoiling since it's pretty critical to know-- if you're voided but want to bail all the way back to the "put in a brand" screen, if you jump down any pit enough times in succession you'll end up on a black screen. If you hit A several times you'll get back up and keep going, but if you hit A once and then leave the controller alone you'll eventually just die. Holding select after that will quit the game and let you restart with a new brand.
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Sep 12, 2023 02:15
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No Wave posted:I imagine people were just (big spoilers) getting stuck as itemless NG+. Though there is straight up no other way out of NG++ outside of victory or the freakin easter egg. Yeah, it doesn't do poo poo for NG++ but bailing on NG+ is almost a given if you took all the items in your first run
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No Wave posted:Oh I see. Yeah this is dumb but (spoiler) you have to be holding the stairs. I didn't figure it out on my own either.
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:One of the recent patches changed a thing that I don't want to even bother spoiling since it's pretty critical to know-- if you're voided but want to bail all the way back to the "put in a brand" screen, if you jump down any pit enough times in succession you'll end up on a black screen. If you hit A several times you'll get back up and keep going, but if you hit A once and then leave the controller alone you'll eventually just die. Holding select after that will quit the game and let you restart with a new brand. Ok, NOW things are happening. I'm a bit annoyed by games that hide basic mechanics like "restart the game" behind obscure stuff like that.
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Sep 12, 2023 02:28
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ymgve posted:Ok, NOW things are happening. I'm a bit annoyed by games that hide basic mechanics like "restart the game" behind obscure stuff like that. The fact that it wasn't even an option pre-1.0.2 can probably be chalked up to the tiny-rear end team-- it feels like one of those "all your playtesters were too into the game to run into the obvious issues a fresh player would have" kind of thing. The devs seem to be pretty responsive so these sorts of really rough edges are probably going to get a bit more ground down over time. I had a really fun rant about wasting an hour+ on a really bitterly bad spot later on that they apparently improved as well.
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I've added a short FAQ to the OP that covers some of the most common questions i've seen in the thread so far. no idea how much it'll help, but it's there nowymgve posted:Ok, NOW things are happening. I'm a bit annoyed by games that hide basic mechanics like "restart the game" behind obscure stuff like that. it sorta makes sense based on the expected flow of play for new players: void immediately on their first run, return to the start at the end, recognize that they need to complete the game outside of void mode to see a real ending, and then refuse the fruit the next time they run out of lives this leads most players to find out about the reset (and the special brands) in a timely manner, but of course there's going to be plenty of people who don't quite play the game in that way, which leads to a lucky few players that end up neck deep in hard mode without ever knowing there's a way out personally, i love that this game has so much friction, but i totally understand anybody who gets frustrated by it. and i obviously don't mind the devs adding more tutorialization as they go
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