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quantization is literally the oldest neural net optimization, they did it with the original publication of boltzmann machine back in '87 it bespeaks a certain thing about neural net as a field that we dont really understand it still
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bob dobbs is dead posted:quantization is literally the oldest neural net optimization, they did it with the original publication of boltzmann machine back in '87 i bet it has something to do with the eigenthingies.
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ultimately a huge factor of the success in LLMs is public vibes around whether they're "good" and whether they "work". if you expect them to work, you give them more generous readings. if you expect them to fail, you scrutinize their output and see loads of problems. claiming your black box is magically effective cuts both ways if openai has mismanaged their pr game to the point where public opinion is against chatgpt the results are indistinguishable from the product itself being worse (the product is probably also worse)
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raminasi posted:new pm update: she was invited to a feature brainstorming meeting. she asked zero questions. as it was concluding, she requested that we schedule a follow-up meeting to summarize the outcome of the meeting we just had. This is just normal project manager behavior I have a PMP class today so I can get in on this grift. I’ve never met a single one that was worth a drat and I want to sit at home, say buzzwords, and make calendar invites for figgies too
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Internet Janitor posted:ultimately a huge factor of the success in LLMs is public vibes around whether they're "good" and whether they "work". if you expect them to work, you give them more generous readings. if you expect them to fail, you scrutinize their output and see loads of problems. claiming your black box is magically effective cuts both ways yeah, i think part of openai's problem in particular is probably the media largely souring on it as they've seen colleagues get replaced by LLMs (and with objectively pretty bad results no less). there's been a lot more negativity towards the concept of using one in general than there was when it was a novelty. but that's also just a corollary of the hype cycle imo, of course there's going to be some significant backlash, and the media drives public opinion for better or worse though if the output is truly getting worse in quality (as it seems to be), that obviously just lends credence to that perception. so i guess yeah, their PR is failing them at the moment. and that's pretty funny imo, it's been otherwise one of the more successful campaigns i've seen in a while
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Sep 15, 2023 16:33
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Eeyo posted:call me a curmudgeon but i just don't like tiktok and i won't be sad to see it go. my brain feels physically bad if i view tiktoks, and i'm 100% sure the youths will be better for it if it's banned.  plus I consume most internet media at work and sound just isn’t gonna happen then.The videos are also some stupid or gross poo poo. Last Christmas my partners feed was people yelling about their kids and how they’re using the holiday to punish them.
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i had to sit through a presentation about ai voices earlier this week, and the guy who was building this product (just tying some apis together) was incredibly stupid. he did not know that in normal text to speech applications, even ones from 15 years ago, you could just put language tags around foreign words and have the synth voice read them as if they're french/spanish/whatever. instead, he claimed it was absolutely necessary to upload a 'pronunciation key' per occurrence of the foreign word. yeah, sure, i'm going to do all that poo poo, instead of just putting <es>unas parolas</es> in language tags. all these ai products are just throwing away so many things that were developed in the past and that worked perfectly fine. anyway, i wasn't there to do the guy's homework, so i didn't tell him how easy it would be to solve his stupid problem also, i found out that the fake woman voice that tiktok has is supposed to sound like a "valley girl?" i think it's the cadence that makes it sounds much more asian than american. and i guess it doesn't help that everyone knows it as the tiktok voice
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ah, but have you considered that ai is revolutionary and therefore changes everything
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i could definitely buy the tiktok voice being based on a chinese speaker's impression of what a "valley girl" voice sounds like
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the tiktok ai voice is awful. demonic. I hate it
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valley girl? more like non-regional diction girl
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it would be pretty funny for a text to speech voice to read something like "there is an apple" out loud as "so there's like, an apple? or whatever?"
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is it this? https://youtu.be/R5Q1yVLSR3I?feature=shared
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weird nobody ever makes a boston accent for computer stuff it probably doesn't sound right without all the slurs
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Shame Boy posted:honestly the kid did a way better job both with his film project and with being interviewed by weird old dudes for their stupid internet show than i would have at that age lol i didnt watch any of that video but i will say that back in the 80s I filled an entire EP videotape (6hrs) with cal worththington commericals.
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qirex posted:weird nobody ever makes a boston accent for computer stuff my dad had a boston accent on his standalone car gps unit like 15 years ago or w/e
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post hole digger posted:the tiktok ai voice is awful. demonic. I hate it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5m1A7zoIcc
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Sep 15, 2023 18:32
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i think of tiktok as concentrated youtube. the "youtube voice" was the bleeding edge of grating and irritating delivery 10 years ago. now they have compressed the same amount of annoyance into a short video by making the voice even more insufferable
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post hole digger posted:the tiktok ai voice is awful. demonic. I hate it it is truly cursed
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post hole digger posted:the tiktok ai voice is awful. demonic. I hate it I've heard speculation text to speech is so popular because a significant portion of America is functionally illiterate.
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Truman Peyote posted:i think of tiktok as concentrated youtube. the "youtube voice" was the bleeding edge of grating and irritating delivery 10 years ago. now they have compressed the same amount of annoyance into a short video by making the voice even more insufferable but tik tok voice is so bland tho, its got way less cadence to it than youtube voice (and i thought cadence was the main signifier of youtube voice)
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Sep 15, 2023 18:48
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skooma512 posted:I've heard speculation text to speech is so popular because a significant portion of America is functionally illiterate.
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mystes posted:so you think people on tiktok are like "hmm I could just make this video by recording my own voice, but oh wait, i'm illiterate, so I'll have to write it out and have the computer read it instead?" Not the creator, the viewers
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mystes posted:so you think people on tiktok are like "hmm I could just make this video by recording my own voice, but oh wait, i'm illiterate, so I'll have to write it out and have the computer read it instead?" i think more like this rough timeline: some creators narrate videos -> some creators begin using tts (because voice/pronunciation issues?) -> illiterate viewers tend to watch narrated videos whether tts or not -> algorithm rewards it -> loop -> steal manhole cover cant say whether thats a thing, but there is a lot of narration going on. also videos instead of articles, maybe facebook was right except it was people prefer 7 second videos over 5k word articles
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Carthag Tuek posted:but tik tok voice is so bland tho, its got way less cadence to it than youtube voice i guess i'm not talking about the robot voice as much as that awful voice people talk into their cameras with
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skooma512 posted:Not the creator, the viewers
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Truman Peyote posted:i guess i'm not talking about the robot voice as much as that awful voice people talk into their cameras with i think thats just youtube voice still
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recording good quality speech is surprisingly difficult and editing a video is hard enough without having to think about wind noise or timecode or w/e
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bring back typing into notepad while the youtube national anthem plays
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BMan posted:bring back typing into notepad while the youtube national anthem plays https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WPCLda_erI HI GUYS TODEY TOD TODAY I WILL SHOW U HOW 2 INSTALL NEED 4 SPEED CRACKED
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goons must like internet forums because they're hard of hearing
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mystes posted:goons must like internet forums because they're hard of hearing i mean we're all old so, sure
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speak up sonny, i can't hear you when you mumble
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mystes posted:goons must like internet forums because they're hard of hearing some people in cspam say they prefer reading things for precisely this reason, so yeah
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and american literacy rates are truly pathetic, i'm not sure that's specifically the reason why tts is used a lot but it seems plausible. it's certainly one reason why people prefer to watch like fox news over reading a newspaper too, and the results of that trend have been disastrous
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i way prefer reading cause its so fast to skim down to whatever i actually wanted to read instead of preambles and digressions and whatnot. thats so much harder to do with a video. it helps a bit that youtube put the "rewatched" graph over the seek thing but its not enough and theyre the only ones doing it
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mystes posted:It's the creators using tts. Saying "tiktokers must use tts because the viewers are illiterate" is the same as saying "tv shows and movies must use speech rather than text because viewers are illiterate" and makes no sense tts evolution on tiktok goes something like: captions added so people dont need the sound on when watching in public -> captions mean i dont have to record with my own voice -> tts means i can just have tiktok generate audio for me which saves time. but its not at all the same as tv or movies having audio. Dialog and performance is important to the work, but that's not really a thing in TTS tiktoks. in tiktok captions/tts/sounds added from within the app are often just more noise that people add either because thats what other tiktoks do or because they want to cover up the original audio for some reason (the reason is they stole it from someone else). there is no doubt some population that enjoys tiktok because they dont have to read whats on screen, but its not the reason why captions and tts exist.
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