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Internet Janitor posted:until it is possible (again) to completely delist quora and pinterest from search results i will not accept any claim that google "takes steps" to combat seo google does not take steps to prevent seo, and in fact has a guide on it: https://developers.google.com/search/docs/fundamentals/seo-starter-guide
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(also as i mentioned earlier even if google did throw tons of resources at stopping seo, it's a fundamental issue with searching-under-capitalism and so long as companies have a vested interest in bubbling themselves up to the top of the search results they will find a way to game the system)
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people are pretty good at realizing when they're getting gamed so let the ad companies spend their money, i'm not gonna watch that poo poo any way the way i see it, ad companies subsidize the very web we enjoy today, and i'd like to keep it that way for a while
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Nfcknblvbl posted:people are pretty good at realizing when they're getting gamed so let the ad companies spend their money, i'm not gonna watch that poo poo any way
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mystes posted:You are going to watch that poo poo after google leverages its dominance of the browser market to cripple ad blockers and force everyone to accept the Web Environment Integrity api no one in yospos will, but 99% of people indeed will
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goog approval rate hasnt even dipped down below 60% yet in gen population
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Tech bubble adjacent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUm6no5MXYA
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:Tech bubble adjacent gently caress the riaa. i will never feel bad about pirating anything their members publish.
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quiggy posted:(also as i mentioned earlier even if google did throw tons of resources at stopping seo, it's a fundamental issue with searching-under-capitalism and so long as companies have a vested interest in bubbling themselves up to the top of the search results they will find a way to game the system) what system wouldnt have people wanting to alter the search results?
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:ooh yeah that'd work I guess except for scaling/skewing (and scaling you could potentially brute force), but you can see how you could conceptually make it work for targeted cases. there are a bunch of tricks like comparing color and brightness of adjacent pixels that can detect manipulated images without needing a person to look at them
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Eeyo posted:it wasn't google that was successful, it was google plus 
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I dunno how much I doubt that Google promotes certain sites since it’s extremely difficult to search for anything without most of the results being mega media conglomerate blogs or a handful of storefronts. I can imagine how it gravitated toward that naturally but if I were up to some brand destroying funny business like that I’d keep my manipulations within the realm of plausibility. I have kagi set up to deprioritize 1st page hogs and also sometimes use marginalia and there is a lot of good poo poo getting missed. I keep trying to think of an easy way to make them into my 2nd and 3rd page of results or mush them together into like 20 results. It would be cool if there was a meta engine thay split your 10 organic hits between 3 algorithms where the last few are almost randomly chosen marginalia stuff.
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it would be nice if the entire first 4-5 pages for any search weren't amazon, ebay, quora, and pinterest
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there are other sites you can use for first page hogs
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quiggy posted:(also as i mentioned earlier even if google did throw tons of resources at stopping seo, it's a fundamental issue with searching-under-capitalism and so long as companies have a vested interest in bubbling themselves up to the top of the search results they will find a way to game the system) google* fixed email spam for the most part so things are possible technically it took a lot of work and collaboration between industry players but i am mostly referring to the early days of gmail where spam rarely ended up in my inbox
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probably because you'd changed your email address?
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Captain Foo posted:first page hogs foo pls
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4lokos basilisk posted:google* fixed email spam for the most part so things are possible and yet they can’t successfully pattern match “yeti” or “dewalt”
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4lokos basilisk posted:google* fixed email spam for the most part so things are possible I mean, it would make sense they would focus on this, like how they're focused on killing ad blockers now, spam competes directly with their core business, so making sure only their ads get through is a good thing
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i'm telling ya human-curated allowlist of domain names and custom elasticsearch ingestors for the various software stacks running on those domain names who wants to give me series a funding
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Internet Old One posted:It would be cool if there was a meta engine thay split your 10 organic hits between 3 algorithms where the last few are almost randomly chosen marginalia stuff. bring back dogpile imo
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Sapozhnik posted:i'm telling ya interest rates are 5%, you only get funding for using fewer humans now you could always say it's "ai" and then pay humans to do it like the bulk of these companies are currently doing
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Sapozhnik posted:i'm telling ya congrats you've invented webrings
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qirex posted:you could always say it's "ai" and then pay humans to do it like the bulk of these companies are currently doing
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(we)brings up your rear end!
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:congrats you've invented webrings webrings were legit a better content discovery mechanism than modern platforms provide
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pre-search yahoo
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someone has the link to the "modern" gopher implementation? I don't remember what it was called but someone here posted about it a bunch once
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The Fool posted:someone has the link to the "modern" gopher implementation? I don't remember what it was called but someone here posted about it a bunch once genesis iirc
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The Fool posted:someone has the link to the "modern" gopher implementation? I don't remember what it was called but someone here posted about it a bunch once Gemini protocol
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The Fool posted:someone has the link to the "modern" gopher implementation? I don't remember what it was called but someone here posted about it a bunch once rotor likes it, he posted it about it in the official gopher thread https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4036104
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quiggy posted:webrings were legit a better content discovery mechanism than modern platforms provide I am currently working on a more modernized implementation (browser plugin)
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*LATEST FAD
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back in the day, stumbleupon served a similar purpose for discovery to modern news aggregators like hn and reddit, but almost infinitely better because you didn't have to read comments
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I am here for a return to webrings and using bookmarks. My favorite now (aside from the turbo dump that is Google search) is looking for items on Amazon and it's just a long parade of random companies with 4-5 letter random letters. Like GOGPL or LRTK.
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quiggy posted:webrings were legit a better content discovery mechanism than modern platforms provide content discovery is antithetical to capitalism, if you discover new content you start looking at that content instead of the current content and that doesn't make the existing content any money
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that's basically stealing imo
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pseudorandom name posted:content discovery is antithetical to capitalism, if you discover new content you start looking at that content instead of the current content and that doesn't make the existing content any money
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mystes posted:I think capitalism wants you to always look at the new content actually capitalism would really prefer not to have to make any new content, that costs money. they especially don't want you to look at somebody else's content.
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they do really want you to look at their terrible content, though, even when there's no way in hell you'd ever be interested in it
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