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Idran posted:Just one correction: lambda is the 11th letter, but it stands for 30 in the Greek number system, so Lambdadelta does mean 34. On the other hand, Miyo's last name is 三四 (three four), not 三十四 (thirty-four), and the Japanese for saying three is different from that for thirty just like English. Case in point: 山本五十六/Isoroku Yamamoto (whose last name is basically "fifty-six") would probably be called something like Goroku if his name is meant to be "five six". Caveat: I don't know Japanese but I can read most kanji with ease.
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Jeek posted:On the other hand, Miyo's last name is 三四 (three four), not 三十四 (thirty-four), and the Japanese for saying three is different from that for thirty just like English. One means "three four" and the other means "thirty four", yeah, but they both mean "34". It's just an alternate way of expressing that. I guess it might be a mistake and his properly-written intent would've given "Gammadelta" instead, but that seems such a simple thing to double-check that it might've just been trying to obscure it a little through cleverness.
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Edited in a correction on that. Should have an update sometime tomorrow.
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Part Forty-Six: The One Who Came Before![]() Originally, Ep3 was going to be an entirely different episode called Land of the Golden Witch. Ryukishi scrapped it because he decided it was too difficult, though. It was supposed to provide a few bits of information that ended up being moved back to Chiru, and would have made a couple character very different from what we got. Though it also has a few things that were originally intended for Chiru nd got moved forward. I'll talk a bit about the specifics of what got changed later on, when I can do it without spoiling anything. [IMG]http://lpix.org/1715010/image002.jpg][/IMG] Have a video, since there's a bunch of new characters here. ![]() Hmm. This doesn't look like Rokkenjima. ![]() ![]() Of course, that was a member of Grandfather's favorite collection. So that I didn't make a mistake and destroy its fragile beauty, I was always strictly ordered to never touch it. ...But that just made me want to touch it. It was transparent and yet so elegant that just glancing at it gave it an indescribable sense of dignity. ...I wanted to see what it felt like to touch a vase like that. However, ...just as Grandfather had said, it was something that shouldn't be touched. Because something this beautiful shouldn't be touched. It was a beauty that could only dwell in something that could break so easily. ![]() I realized that, because of my own foolish curiosity, I had done something that couldn't be taken back. No matter how much I regretted it, no matter how much I apologized. The broken vase would not be returned to its original form... I would probably be scolded by Grandfather. Probably very harshly. Frightened, I ended up breaking into tears and sobbing... As I did, I noticed something, ...beautiful. Lightly dancing golden butterflies, were coming towards me. ![]() Oh, it's Beatrice. That reliable Golden Witch, Beatrice had arrived. Unless you're relying on her to murder everyone you know, kid, you should probably start ru- ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ...Who the hell are you and what did you do with Beatrice? She was always my ally. Whenever I was in trouble, she would always appear and help me. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() When she extended her index finger, a golden butterfly softly landed there, and changed its form into her favorite cane. But even that was enough to give me a small glimpse at Beatrice's wonderful and great magic power. She pointed her cane at the broken vase, and, just like a child's lullaby, she began speaking the magic words... ![]() Were they words, or was it a song? No, it was surely magic. ![]() After all, can't you see? ...The pieces of the vase are obviously gathering together, and softly returning to the place where they had been displayed, ...returning to their original form. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() At that time, the high-pitched scream of a servant could be heard from inside the mansion. ![]() I understood the meaning of what Beatrice had said. ...At the time that I had broken the vase, 'the vase was broken'. Beatrice had shown me that the vase had been restored, but that had been a temporary thing. It didn't mean the fate that 'the vase was broken' had changed. As a result, ...the vase had remembered its true fate, and 'had broken'. But I hadn't broken it, instead, it had been a cat which had snuck in... That's right. Beatrice hadn't said 'Let's mend the vase'. She had said she would make it so that I didn't have to be punished. The fate of the vase breaking hadn't changed, but the fact that I had broken it certainly had... Beatrice had skillfully saved me from danger with that magic... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Or bring back a family so you can keep murdering them indefinitely! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Certainly, the human world is full of sadness caused by separation and loss. To escape that sadness, people pray to god, and ask for the power to withstand the sadness, believing it to be a test... In other words, a human's life is a journey, searching for a way to withstand sadness. In that case, a witch who could revive all things would be freed from all sadness in the world. ...In other words, it is eternal bliss... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() On top of the new little tidbit that our favorite murderous ahaha.wav spammer wasn't the first to hold the name and title, here's a little something else to contemplate. Beatrice claims to be a thousand years old. But does that flashback mansion really look like something built upwards of a thousand years ago? An Endless Witch, was it? A name that I had yearned for in the past as the highest achievement, and was now just another one of my titles. And not really even the top-tier title the other Beatrice hyped it as. Bern and Lambda aren't Endless Witches, after all. No, you can even say it's my calling card. ![]() ![]() She shook her head lightly. If it is called the highest level, that means that there is nothing higher. An eternal dead end, the beginning of eternal boredom. ![]() Eternal bliss means eternal boredom. ...That's the beginning of eternal torture. But let's think about this. Eternal boredom is the same as a sketchbook that doesn't run out of pages. It means you can draw whatever you want, can try to have as much fun as you want. Boredom is the worst poison that kills all witches. ...To the Great Witches who are given the title 'Lady', this is frighteningly true. It is the eternal poison that tortures them because of the eternal bliss that they have reached... ![]() ![]() ...I remember her saying something like that as though answering herself. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Little bit of trivia: Whoever was in charge of doing the sprites for the PS3 version really liked the Stakes. Lucifer and Mammon have over 300 sprites each, and most of the others aren't far behind. The only character who beats them in the first 4 episodes is Beatrice with a bit over 500, and only because she's got multiple outfits. Together the seven of them account for nearly half the sprites in the first half. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Just from that single yell, the noisy Sisters of the Seven Stakes disappeared and hid. They just mess around, having as much fun as they want breaking him. They only come to me to clean up afterwards. ...Seriously, these furniture don't let me get bored. ![]() ![]() ![]() I waved my golden pipe. And I told. I chanted. I made it remember. ![]() By the power of the magic, the pitiful pieces of meat began to remember what their form had been. Which part should go with which part, and where should join with where? That's right, just like that. ...No, no, you should be a finger on the left hand. That's the right hand. That's it, good, good, *cackle*. ![]() ![]() Don't lie to him, Beatrice. None of the Ushiromiyas are headed that way when this is over with. ![]() ![]() ![]() Little did Beatrice suspect when she started this game that being eviscerated by near-identical septuplets had always been Battler's greatest fantasy. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Click for the opening movie. For whatever reason, despite there being 4 episodes, there's only three opening videos in the files. This one sorta pulls double duty for 3 and 4, but it doesn't have too much from the latter. ![]() ![]() Also we've got the goat butler bio now. No idea why it pops up here of all places when the goats weren't even mentioned here. ![]() Next time: Show of hands, who on this island isn't secretly magical?
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Battler. Maybe.
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Another Episode, another opening. This one promises more immediate action than Episode 2 at least!
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Insurrectionist posted:Another Episode, another opening. This one promises more immediate action than Episode 2 at least! Oh yes, although there still be some background stories before the murders, but they are at least more interesting.
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The opening is great. And I found something that makes it even better. A word of warning: Watch only up to 1:30 of this video. The thank-you screen afterwards has an image that seems spoilery and makes me seriously doubt my hypothesis of Kumasawa (plus a whole bunch of characters) being Beatrice. VVVV Nanjo is a wizard in that he is the only one in the group capable of examining corpses. Jeek fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Jun 14, 2014 |
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Pretty sure Dr. Nanjo is in fact the only character here who is not secretly a wizard.
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The thank you image doesn't really have anything to do with anything, it's just an artsy picture. Unless you think Kinzo is really 20 feet tall. I wouldn't put it past Kinzo. And yesssss, episode 3 is my favorite of the first 4 episodes.
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Mercury Hat posted:And yesssss, episode 3 is my favorite of the first 4 episodes. Mine, too. It's Aesop time, motherfuckers. ![]()
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I'm 95% sure this opening is only supposed to be for Episode 4 (which is why it spoils all the new characters). Episode 3 uses the second OP again.
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whitehelm posted:I'm 95% sure this opening is only supposed to be for Episode 4 (which is why it spoils all the new characters). Episode 3 uses the second OP again. I just doublechecked with my own installed copy, and, yeah, this is pretty much true. Well, not a biggie--those openings're only intended to tease, and you don't really learn anything other than that those characters show up later.
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Yeah, just checked it myself too. Or, rather, Ep3 uses the first OP. The second one was the one that started off with "No Dine. No Knox. No Fair. Etc." No idea why they'd switch back to that when they've got viable options from both 2 and 4.
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Having just caught up with the thread (after not reading it for a year), my three theories before game 3: 1. George steals the master key from Shannon when he distracts her with the ring, then goes off to cause havoc. He also had the opportunity to meddle with Maria's envelope before the chapel murder. As far as his own death is concerned, I don't know, murder-suicide? It seems like stabbing oneself in the abdomen would be a bit easier than trying to force a stake through your head or jam it all the way through your ribcage. 2. Battler and Beatrice19 (as opposed to BeatriceWitch) are lovers in a perverted serial-murder team ("Slice up your cow tits and make me a sandwich") competing against one another to murder their family in ways that the other cannot explain (I realize that the thread says that Battler's perspective is absolute except when he's drunk, but as a reader of the LP, I don't personally know this to be the case). 3. Maria pulled a Hannibal and decided to use the gaping hole in Kanon's chest to go around trying to implicate her mother in the killing spree by climbing in and taking the corpse for a test drive while screaming "It was Rosa! It was Rosa".
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Kytrarewn posted:1. George steals the master key from Shannon when he distracts her with the ring, then goes off to cause havoc. He also had the opportunity to meddle with Maria's envelope before the chapel murder. As far as his own death is concerned, I don't know, murder-suicide? It seems like stabbing oneself in the abdomen would be a bit easier than trying to force a stake through your head or jam it all the way through your ribcage. On another note, compare the speech pattern in these two images: ![]() ![]() As Kumasawa is not a full time worker on Rokkenjima, it is plausible that she met the culprit elsewhere when he/she was young and told him/her all about Rokkenjima plus the occult stuff. Jeek fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Jun 28, 2014 |
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Jeek posted:If that is the case, we still have to account for the death of Rosa, Maria, Genji and Battler, all of whom were still alive by the time George's body was discovered. We don't, though. All the subsequent deaths can be considered part of the "bad end", after Battler decided to surrender to Beatrice. They aren't actually part of the puzzle's setup and thus may or may not actually be canon.
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Remember, though, that Rosa, Maria, Genji, and Battler (and Kinzo) aren't listed as dead at the end of episode 2, they are missing because they have been invited to the Golden Land ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Part Forty-Seven: The One Who Hates![]() ![]() ![]() Rudolf and Hideyoshi went out onto the deck, and took out some cigarettes. Eva had always hated the smell of cigarettes, but when she was in a bad mood, she got even more oversensitive. When they had decided to spend the time until they reached the island smoking casually, the two of them had been threatened and chased out onto the deck. Hideyoshi tried to use his lighter, but it didn't go well with all of the strong winds on the deck. Rudolf took out a Zippo with a stylish gesture, and let Hideyoshi borrow the flame. ![]() ![]() A fool's mistake, Hideyoshi. Never get high on your own supply. ...I mean, I guess that's not strictly applicable with cigs, but I'd assume the general sentiment applies. ![]() ![]() Hideyoshi laughed heartily, but Rudolf chuckled. After they had been scolded by Eva, they had dejectedly ran out onto the deck together. They had almost certainly been dominated by her. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Since long ago, they had felt that Krauss was taking advantage of Kinzo's loss of interest in his own wealth, and had started embezzling that wealth for his own use. When everything had been going well for the siblings, even though they had found it detestable, they had pretended not to notice, ...but now that they needed money, they couldn't just quietly accept that. Eva had called Rudolf and Rosa into an alliance, and they had schemed to take that money away from Krauss. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Considering that she’s still listed in the line of succession, she should have just shived him before he had Jessica. If Crusader Kings II has taught me anything, it’s that succession-related problems are pretty much always best solved by stabbing people until everything falls into place. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ...Since you can still drink black tea without sugar, it was almost the same as saying that study was unnecessary for a woman. Those infuriating words were ones that my older brother had abused me with when I had been in despair, when I had wanted to go to college but was rejected by Father. I had protested that, as the oldest daughter in the Ushiromiya family, I needed to gain proper dignity and an education, so advancing to college was essential. But, if you sum up Father's and brother's answers, they were both the same. 'How conceited for a woman.' Since the time I was born into the Ushiromiya family, I hadn't taken that name lightly even once. And furthermore, I also hadn't ever taken Father's name, Ushiromiya Kinzo, lightly even once. It was an old family with many traditions, but in the Great Kanto Earthquake, it had lost its wealth and its business, and had sunk all at once. Then Father, with his ingenious talent, had taken control, and revived it to be even greater than it had been before. I hadn't forgotten that I was the daughter of that great Ushiromiya Kinzo even once. ![]() ...However, in the end, Father never accepted that. To Father, a woman was only meant to support a man, and nothing further than that was permissable. I probably understood that. ...I had probably understood that since I was a young girl. ...But to truly accept that, I had to wait until I had grown up. You couldn't have said that Krauss, as my older brother by two years, tried at all to become deserving of the Ushiromiya family name, and his effort was pathetic compared to mine. Since we were young, my brother kept saying that it was natural that he'd succeed Father, just because he was born a man. ...He kept repeating that, as though it were an absolute gap between us. I couldn't stand it. Even though I always got better grades than my brother, even though while he was stuck as vice-president of his class, I became class president, ...even so, my brother was considered to be the appropriate person to succeed the Ushiromiya family just because he was a man. ![]() But because that way of thinking existed, I wanted to overturn it. ...Innocently, I kept trying to prove that I was the most fit. ...However, eventually, I realized that all of my efforts were doomed from the beginning. ![]() We heard you the first time, Krauss. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Perhaps that's the real reason he's the heir. Regardless of his (lack of) other qualifications, being able to pronounce parentheticals is a pretty impressive skill. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() What's so unsatisfying, you say...? A billion things are. Grudges, hard feelings, humiliations that I'll never forget kept floating through the back of my mind. And all of them built up at the same time, coming out of my throat as a shameful moan. ![]() ![]() Apparently Kinzo has been wearing the exact same suit and cape for...what, like 30 years now, probably? Either that or he's got a whole closet full of dozens of them. ![]() ![]() ![]() Our sibling fight was probably overheard. Father entered with a clearly unhappy face. ![]() In a flash, he struck Krauss's face. ...I prepared myself to be struck in the same way, but I wasn't hit. ![]() ![]() ![]() It was as if those words were directed at me. Even when he was being yelled at by Father, he was still bragging to me about how he was special, ...about how he was the successor. I just couldn't stand it, and finally spoke what was on my mind. Even though I realized that this was improper for a person of the Ushiromiya family. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Smacking kids upside the head: a time-honored Ushiromiya tradition. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Father was choking pretty bad, and my brother patted his back. ...As if that were naturally his duty. It was so vexing for me then to let him monopolize that duty. If I carelessly approached Father now, I would probably be hit again. ...However, I fearlessly tried to approach Father's back. Genji blocked me... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Go quickly and leave this place to me. Krauss gave me a look telling me that... ![]() Of course, I had never learned how to be a lady. ...Everything I had learned was because I'd hoped that I could help Father someday. ...Wait, was that really the case? Didn't I always hold a growing sense of rivalry with my brother, with whom I'd had a bad relationship since I was a young girl, and want to take advantage of his weaknesses and steal his position as successor to the head? Every time, my brother told me that men should be manly and women should be womanly. I was tormented by this unreasonable discrimination because of one's sex, something one was born with and couldn't do anything about. I had resisted, had endeavored to study until today so that I could prove that I wasn't inferior, even though I was a woman. ...In that case, wasn't the basis of my love of learning just a boring complex against my brother? Father had expected me to be a lady with whom he could go out in public and not be embarrassed. ...Had I betrayed that expectation and earned grades to threaten my brother just to clear away that pent up resentment...? ![]() ![]() (Click to watch Eva argue with her imaginary friend) ![]() The one who came up to me, whispering, ...was the me of my days as a young girl, who had been born inside my heart on the day that I swore that. Her imaginary friend who is also her. That’s uh. Totally normal and sane, right? ...That's right. 'She' was my only ally. When things got difficult, when I felt broken, she would always quietly appear and become my ally. When I stumbled over difficulties, and was greatly troubled, she would always appear and support me. As I had grown and forgotten my time as a girl, I'd also begun to forget my conversations with 'her'... ![]() ![]() On that day, when I had been overcome with sadness, wondering why I was even alive, ...you appeared inside me, and lent me your strength. ![]() In those days, I had really believed that my life had no purpose other than to be looked down upon by my brother. ...It's painful just remembering those days. The fate that went into my heart and tore a hole in me... 'She' had taught me how to sew up that wound... I had changed my anger into effort and improved myself, ...to become a person more worthy to be head than Krauss was, and to triumph over him by making Father accept me. The perfect revenge. I knew more or less that a woman couldn't succeed the head. But maybe, if I tried to become so superior that I could overturn that, ...then surely even Father would select me to be his successor. If that happened, ...then I could have the greatest and most perfect revenge against my brother, who always acted like it was completely natural for him to succeed the head... ![]() Even though she had the form of my young self, she was another me. ...Anyways, since she was me, she had a sharp tongue. ![]() ![]() Well. I’m sure nothing terrible can come of someone having a witch literally fueled by rage hanging out in their head. No sirree. ![]() ![]() ![]() See Eva? Your teenage hallucination witch self understands how inheritance works. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ...She cursed them for my sake. Words that I couldn't say carelessly, ...she said for me. Even though I understood that she was just another part of myself inside of me, ...I felt like she was the only ally I had who could sympathize with me. However, while sympathy could calm my heart significantly, it wouldn't do anything to improve my current situation. ...In the end, she could only console me when I was dejected by reality, and when I needed to accept it. ![]() ![]() ![]() 'She' rejected my timid thoughts. ...I understand. ...Because 'she' is me, I understand. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() If I can use that magic, ...then surely, until I die, I won't have to doubt that the day will come when I will become the head. ...But I don't know if that is the right thing for Ushiromiya Eva... Shouldn't I aim to become the kind of woman that Father hoped for, someone he can take out into society and boast about? Father might take a better view of me if I were reborn. ...Maybe my brother could find his own lifestyle, and I could find mine. No matter what, I can't imagine that my stubborn father would allow a woman to succeed the head, would even push aside my brother to select me. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Well. Even then it might just come down to which Kinzo finds marginally more palatable: a female head, or a future head who’s half table. It was very painful to say it. Am I just forcing my own regrets onto George? Jessica hasn't done anything to be scorned for. Wasn't I just horrible for hitting her with the same words that had caused me so much suffering...? ...I understand. I understand... Wanting to triumph over my brother was nothing more than my revenge. ...I couldn't use George for that... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Oh, hey, someone's actually taking a serious shot at the epitaph. And it only took two episodes of Beatrice reminding them every couple murders that it's the only way to not get horribly murdered. ![]() Note that the first line given here is slightly different from the standard version of the epitaph. Translation inconsistencies! ![]() When Kyrie shook her shoulders, Eva jumped and awoke from her doze. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Battler and Jessica came in, messing around. Rudolf also made a face as if asking, 'Are you alright?'. ![]() ![]() Rudolf said these strict words in a small voice that only Eva could hear. Failure would not be tolerated in this year's family conference. ...All of their companies were hanging in the balance. Even Rudolf's face looked a little tense. Eva's expression probably looked tense as well. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() It seemed Maria was already getting excited. She ran circles around Hideyoshi, escaping from Rosa, who was trying to catch her. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() By looking at the strange appearance of Eva's expression, Hideyoshi realized that it had not been a pleasant awakening, and made George go on ahead. Rudolf's family and Rosa's family also went up onto the deck, leaving only Eva and Hideyoshi inside the boat. Eva had a vague expression on her face, as though she still hadn't been able to escape from her daydream. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Kumasawa had come to check on them when they hadn't gone up to the deck. Hideyoshi hid Eva behind his back so that her expression couldn't be seen. ![]() ![]() Even though she didn't really understand, Kumasawa realized that something had come up, and disappeared so that she didn't trouble them further. If they stayed here any longer, they would probably make everyone else worry too. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Hideyoshi knew that it wasn't rare for Eva to be tortured by nightmares. And they would always become more striking on the days leading up to the family conference... Hideyoshi knew that Eva's relationship with Krauss was still so full of antagonism that it could even be called trauma, and that she still couldn't separate herself from the feelings she'd had as a child. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() This time, Gohda had come. It looked like they had kept everyone waiting too long after all. Eva also stood up without grumbling. ...She had to stop forcing her bad mood onto her husband and causing him any more trouble. ...Because that was probably what a 'good wife' would do. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Eva elbowed Hideyoshi in the gut. By that time, her normal expression had returned, which allowed Hideyoshi to relax a little. ![]() Two updates and everyone's already on the island in 1986. Why couldn't you have moved that fast, Ep2? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() No, it hadn't seemed that way. ...Someone 'had told' her "Welcome back". After becoming a shameless adult, ...the voice of her young self was distant. Guess Rokkenjima is prime real estate for incorporeal witches. ![]() Hideyoshi heard her talking to herself. When Hideyoshi held on tightly to Eva's shoulders, just by his firmness, he communicated that there was no need to say anything more... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() As always, the epitaph is in the TIPs. Maybe I should put the full thing somewhere easy to reference one of these days. Next time: Goetia.
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Eva had a hard life.
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All the Ushiromiya kids had a hard life and it's amazing none of them took the time to poison Kinzo's absinthe. RK07 has a depressingly good hold on how to write abusive family dynamics.
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quote:Apparently Kinzo has been wearing the exact same suit and cape for...what, like 30 years now, probably? Either that or he's got a whole closet full of dozens of them.
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Hideyoshi might be the closest thing to a decent, well-functioning human being on the island, even if he can't quite pull off the double-breasted suit.
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Paracelsus posted:Hideyoshi might be the closest thing to a decent, well-functioning human being on the island, even if he can't quite pull off the double-breasted suit. In the family anyway. Nanjo seems like a decent guy too.
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Shannon and Kanon are decent enough, though "Well functioning" isn't exactly what I'd call people who think themselves tables.
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Jeek posted:In the family anyway. Nanjo seems like a decent guy too.
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Paracelsus posted:On the other hand, Nanjo is something like friends with Kinzo. That requires a certain amount of crazy to override the self-preservation instincts that would ordinarily prevent such a thing from happening. He's also been the family physician for decades, think of all the times he's had to patch up the kids after Kinzo played Punch Out on their faces ![]()
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Mercury Hat posted:All the Ushiromiya kids had a hard life and it's amazing none of them took the time to poison Kinzo's absinthe. I'm not sure if this is a Ryukishi thing in general, as I'm not very familiar with his other stuff, but it's definitely a When They Cry thing that no one is allowed to have a non-terrible family. I'm trying to think of a major character in either whose family is at all important and whose relationship with them isn't some form of hosed up, and all that comes to mind is...Keichii, I think? And maybe Rika? It's been long enough that it's entirely possible I'm forgetting something horrible about those families, though. Mercury Hat posted:He's also been the family physician for decades, think of all the times he's had to patch up the kids after Kinzo played Punch Out on their faces Don't forget Rosa after beatings from Krauss. Or Maria after Rosa's episodes.
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We're on the island already! I'm definitely looking forward to the better pacing of this episode after episode 2, hard to wait for the next update even now. Eva definitely has one of the harsher back-stories of the cast, though to be fair only four of them grew up with Kinzo as dad and so the others would obviously have a hard time comparing.
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Shiny777 posted:I'm not sure if this is a Ryukishi thing in general, as I'm not very familiar with his other stuff, but it's definitely a When They Cry thing that no one is allowed to have a non-terrible family. Ryukishi07 may not have had the best childhood. I'm not far into Rose Guns Days yet, but so far it just seems to be about a bunch of total badasses being total badasses together. Everyone certainly faces problems, but it has more to do with terrible economy and the ensuing high crime rates rather than being in an unloving environment. I'm not even to the end of the first season yet, though, so I fully expect a turnaround at some point. (Also it's worth pointing out that possibly the reason no one seems to be having family problems is because everyone's families have been wiped out by tornadoes.) *At the hands of students, teachers, and ghosts.
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Shiny777 posted:And maybe Rika? Rika actually has a really lovely relationship with her mom, because of Hanyuu effectively raising her. And in Matsuribayashi-hen, it's shown that Rika pretty explicitly knows that the Irie Clinic kills her parents, and doesn't really care. Part of that's definitely from the whole actually 100-years old thing, but still... Wanton Spoon posted:Ryukishi07 may not have had the best childhood. Niel fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Jul 5, 2014 |
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Wanton Spoon posted:Ryukishi07 may not have had the best childhood. In RGD, family stuff becomes increasingly important and is one of the main reasons for a lot of the stuff in the later parts. Though it doesn't have as much of the whole "abusive/uncaring parent" stuff that's in the other stories. Spoilers for later RGD: The person who is the closest to the main villain is after revenge for stuff that happened to his family, for example.
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Speaking of RGD is that fully translated because am interested in reading it.
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The first two "Seasons" of it are fully translated.
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Shiny777 posted:I'm not sure if this is a Ryukishi thing in general, as I'm not very familiar with his other stuff, but it's definitely a When They Cry thing that no one is allowed to have a non-terrible family. I'm trying to think of a major character in either whose family is at all important and whose relationship with them isn't some form of hosed up, and all that comes to mind is...Keichii, I think? And maybe Rika? It's been long enough that it's entirely possible I'm forgetting something horrible about those families, though. Was this posted in the thread yet? Interview with Ryukishi07 (in Japanese, w. English subtitles)
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Rangpur posted:Even the outrageous gore we've seen (read?) so far doesn't phase me much, but I wince whenever Rosa starts in on the emotional abuse. It's made even more painful by the implication she doesn't hate her daughter, but sometimes she gets so mad that she just... can't... help it. For all the crazy poo poo that goes down in his games, details like that cut the deepest. Glad you're still going with this. I need to go back to my playthrough now that you're catching up. Rosa is a very complicated and painful character. Pretty much the whole family is, really, but her especially. And if the author really was a social worker, that explains a lot. And for those wondering whether to look at that interview, it's a nifty behind-the-scenes look without any spoilers that I could see. I didn't know the studio was a family business. It also dates from when they were putting out Higurashi.
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Kaja Rainbow posted:And for those wondering whether to look at that interview, it's a nifty behind-the-scenes look without any spoilers that I could see. I didn't know the studio was a family business. It also dates from when they were putting out Higurashi. Ryukishi07 looks... more normal than I'd have imagined, and so is his family (other than the no game thing, but I have never had a game console except for a single gameboy given as a gift either).
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Dr Pepper posted:The first two "Seasons" of it are fully translated. Oh thanks.
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