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POOL IS CLOSED posted:This doesn't eliminate someone's chimpanzee theory. It actually does. If Beatrice were any number of chimpanzees, she'd be an excellent climber and hence would not have fallen to her death. Chimpanzee theory: disproven. ![]()
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EagerSleeper posted:It actually does. If Beatrice were any number of chimpanzees, she'd be an excellent climber and hence would not have fallen to her death. Chimpanzee theory: disproven. hmm, i didn't look at it this way... but what if, once freed from her cage of flesh, Beatrice was able to summon x chimpanzees to Rokkenjima, and use them as furniture to do her bidding?
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EagerSleeper posted:It actually does. If Beatrice were any number of chimpanzees, she'd be an excellent climber and hence would not have fallen to her death. Chimpanzee theory: disproven. Beatrice's Hempel's Raven then means that anyone who does not fall to their death must be a chimpanzee. Therefore, all the Ushiromiyas are chimps. In order to find the witch, we must separate the monkeys from the apes!
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Video added at last: The Witch's Flight.
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ProfessorProf posted:Video added at last: The Witch's Flight. I can't really decide if I should praise or condemn you for this video title, but... drat, that is really, really different from the Beatrice we know, isn't it? Poor girl just sounds so excited to meet someone that isn't an old man... ![]()
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![]() October 5th, 1986, 12:00 AM ![]() In his dimly lit study, occasionally brightened by lightning, Kinzo kept mumbling and laughing to himself. On the antique clock with the intricate design that had been sitting on his desk, the two overlapping hands tilted to the right and began to slide. The measure of time that counted up to 24... had returned to 0... and had begun to count back again... ![]() BGM: Rose But perhaps a person's life is the same. You live, aiming for a perfect 24, and in the instant you reach it, you return to 0. People will probably praise the departed, saying that he did reach 24, but he most certainly did not. In the end, he's a 0. ![]() Kinzo had been fumbling around with some tarot cards for some time. It looked as though he was trying to divine his own luck with a contest, doing it over every time he didn't like the result. The most forbidden action in tarot reading is trying to predict the same thing twice. To do so ridicules the results of fortune telling... and also desecrates those beings higher than humans that give revelations through the tarot cards. However, Kinzo knew. Tarot cards shouldn't be used twice because... since they're nothing more than a random number generator, reading them twice will naturally cause a different result to appear. Therefore, reading them twice was only forbidden to preserve the mystique of the tarot cards' results. However, that didn't mean that Kinzo didn't take tarot reading seriously. Kinzo's interpretation of tarot reading was done in a completely different way. That was to repeat the reading, over and over, without giving up in the slightest, until he reached the result most favorable to him. The mark he set for this 'most favorable result' would vary, but when he demanded the most favorable result in a strictly literal sense, it was the same as a simple roulette of luck, where he seeked an arithmetic miracle. ...However, Kinzo used miracles of numbers as the basis of his magical power, so this functioned perfectly well as a magical ritual. In other words, until the result he desired appeared perfectly, he would strive to repeat the tarot readings over and over, with conviction, turning the feelings of his heart into prayers, so that when they reached the heavens, they would be sublimated into results. This was Kinzo's personal magical interpretation. Therefore, even though Kinzo's tarot cards were no different from those generally used, the way in which they were used was completely different... ![]() Kinzo stopped his hands for a second. He seemed not to be getting the results he wanted. On the contrary, bad cards that shouldn't show up so often appeared repeatedly... and continued to interfere with the miracle Kinzo wished for. ![]() Kinzo seemed to have received some revelation that was different from normal. But, judging by the unlucky cards scattered across his desk, it was difficult to imagine that the omen had been a good one... For a while, Kinzo closed his eyes tightly, pondering something. Then, as the thunder roared, he made up his mind about something, took the telephone receiver, and dialed. ![]() ![]() In front of the entrance hall, Shannon's once burning face had been cooled off by the frigid air. She had thought... that George's proposal would surely come sooner or later. It wasn't as though she hadn't prepared herself mentally. And she had answered by nodding. Had she been reckless because of her youth? Should she have thought about her future more seriously? I wonder if my immediate reply made him think I'm a cheap girl. If I'd at least waited until tomorrow morning, would that at least have shown him I was taking this seriously? Now that she'd already received the ring from George, Shannon kept fidgeting in embarrassment. I should've done this, I should've done that. As she did, she heard the sound of footsteps splashing through puddles. Shannon immediately chased away the emotions welling up inside her. ![]() She grew stiff, thinking she'd surely be scolded for spending too much time in her secret lover's meeting with George. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Kanon was especially good at hiding his footsteps. Just like a cat. He was able to suddenly be there without anyone noticing and leave in the same way. For example, even though he stepped in puddles, the sound he made was far smaller than that of the rain hitting them... Genji also had abilities of that kind. Or rather, those servants called furniture were supposed to be like that. Just like how desks and closets go unnoticed by members of the family, these servants also held it as a great virtue to just suddenly be there whenever they were needed. Compared to that, Shannon's footsteps still strongly asserted themselves. She was also trying to hide her footsteps, but compared to Kanon and Genji... well, you could say she was a little more boisterous... Eventually, they reached the back door, and the three of them entered the mansion. ![]() It was different from a sense of smell, and it seemed to hit the depths of their noses. This hard-to-describe sensation, which you might call a sixth sense, allowed them to perceive that something was different than usual. ![]() ![]() That sensation made it feel as though a tense something was pressing in around them. Realizing that, the three of them dashed up the stairs, heading for Kinzo's study while still hiding their footsteps. When they dashed up the stairs, that smell of sweet poison particular to Kinzo's study reached their noses. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() After hearing Kanon's words, she looked at the door to the study. A scorpion pattern was engraved on the doorknob. A powerful ward against magic. The final barrier, which protected Kinzo himself. It had been broken. Of course, there was no change to the doorknob that the eye could see. However, those who could understand things people couldn't perceive... were able to recognize that a dramatic change had occurred... ![]() Genji called in this way after knocking several times, but there was no answer from the study. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() To protect the backs of the pair watching the door, Shannon faced the other way, ready for the unexpected. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Genji pulled a gold key out of his pocket. It was the only key to the study that existed, other than the one Kinzo held. He stuck it in the key hole and turned it heavily. At first glance, that seemed to prove that it was a sturdy lock. However, now that the barrier had been destroyed, this door might as well have been left open, from the viewpoint of anyone with magical power. The heavy sound just now meant that the door had now been opened even for humans. ![]() As Genji respectfully bowed his head, and Kanon's sense of tension grew tighter, and Shannon trembled, they entered the study... ![]() ...He was sitting on the reception sofa so that his back faced them. Genji noticed the person sitting across from him, and again bowed deeply. Kanon also noticed that person, but he didn't bow his head. He stood in front of Shannon and spread out his arms, blocking the way to her. So without even seeing that person's face, Shannon already had a good idea who it was... ![]() ![]() BGM: The Candles Dance ![]() Genji directed his greeting towards the thin darkness behind and to the right of Beatrice, where there shouldn't have been anything. Even Kanon and Shannon would never have imagined that someone was there. However, the darkness responded immediately and praised Genji's eyesight... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The tense color didn't disappear from Kanon's face in the slightest. Depending on the master furniture served, they might be kind or brutal or anything else. If this person claimed to be furniture serving the hated Beatrice, then he must be despicable as well... ![]() Beatrice openly sneered at Kanon's hate-filled face... Then, Kanon finally realized. Beatrice and Kinzo were having a chess game across the reception table. But Kinzo hadn't even quivered. He was holding his head with both hands, his eyes closed tight, as he contemplated his next move. Or was he in anguish...? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() At a glance, it was hard to make out the situation on that chaotic chessboard. However, judging by Kinzo's anguish and Beatrice's malicious confidence, it seemed to be over already... ![]() ![]() Beatrice advanced her queen... and made her final move. And that... decided it. ![]() ![]() Kinzo suddenly stood up and laughed, like an opera singer facing a full crowd and spreading his arms, as though he had succeeded in a century-long plan. That laugh... spat crimson. ![]() But Kinzo kept laughing. The more he laughed, the more the hellfire spewed from his entire body and began to char him... Those flames became a brilliant light, which dazzlingly shone on the various magic tools throughout the room, making their distorted shadows dance across the walls. Those shadows looked like the dead in hell, watching over Kinzo in ecstasy as he burned... And, for one who had made a contract with the witch, it was an extremely fitting end... in accordance with those terms... ![]() Those incredible blazing flames disappeared as though he'd been completely burned up, and afterwards, nothing remained but a festering and burnt corpse that one could hardly bear to look at... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Beatrice grinned. Kanon violently averted his gaze, obviously unhappy. His reaction was so different from what he wanted to do that it made the witch and her butler laugh. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() BGM: Organ Short #600 Million in C Minor Kanon was taken aback by that creepy laughter... Beatrice wasn't here just to take Kinzo's life. The first twilight required six sacrifices. Kinzo alone wasn't nearly enough. And they'd just casually walked in here... ![]() ![]() Their instincts were good enough to spot her meaning instantly...Six sacrifices were required for the first twilight. After Kinzo, how many more would you need to add up to six? In this mansion, the number five instantly made them think of the number of servants here.. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Genji had agreed to the witch's heartless announcement with his usual demeanor, without raising an eyebrow. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() There probably were regrets left in her heart. She probably wanted to spend a little more warm time with the person she cared for, George. But she released herself from that. She took a single deep breath... and a blank expression rose to her face. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Compared to the two who had taken a far-sighted approach, there was a painful anguish on Kanon's face. Kanon was still far too young to accept his demise after being told of it by a suddenly appearing witch... ![]() ![]() Kanon realized that he was being provoked. However, no matter how furiously anger spurred him on, his opponent was a witch. He was furniture. He hadn't had a chance of victory from the beginning. But the witch was expecting that he'd struggle in vain and writhe around, and was even looking forward to it... Just thinking about that was frustrating enough to get his blood boiling. Was disappointing the witch by refusing to resist, like the other two, the only way he could strike back at her...? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Kanon understood that he was being provoked. However, the witch's offer was very tempting. By this point, Kanon couldn't care less about this evil ceremony the witch and the rest were trying to carry out. On the contrary, it was much more important that he remain alive so that he could be invited to the Golden Land... and have his wish granted by Beatrice there... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() BGM: Moon Beatrice couldn't hide her evil smile at those words. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() BGM: Where That was probably humiliating for Lucifer. But at the same time, she was also happy... that she was lucky enough to have this adorable prey all to herself... ![]()
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![]() ...erm...is what I would say if I believed in magic... But it's interesting that Kinzo is definitely one of the six sacrifices this time. And all of his most loyal servants as well. SardonicTyrant fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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RIP in advance, Kanon. If you two would you like to do your own occult version of save scumming like Kinzo, then here's a tarot website that will let you do that. http://www.freedivination.com/tarot/
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My, what tiny hands you have Lucifer.
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The tarot never even gets to 22, Kinzo. The hell are you talking about 24?
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Ok Kanon. Third time's the charm. You can beat Beatrice this time.
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Kinzo being set on fire is a pretty great metaphor since he was the first to die here, good job dipshit.
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Glazius posted:The tarot never even gets to 22, Kinzo. The hell are you talking about 24? he's talking about a clock
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SardonicTyrant posted:
Are they? I wonder... Along with Kinzo, there's Genji, Shannon, and Kanon, that's four... so who are the other two? It can't be Ronove and lucifer, because they aren't established bodies on Rokkenjima, and it's probably not Beatrice herself... so why the weirdness of numbers? Is a couple of the children going to bite it as well to make it right? We'll have to see how the bodies shake out before we say anything definite, but if we step away from the magical interpretation here, I think Kinzo called these servants up to die, before self immolating. Perhaps that's the great metaphor behind Kanon's resistance to "Beatrice"- he still chafes under the yoke of furniturehood, and longs to be free, but keeps getting shanked before he can realize it. vvv Kumasawa I might allow, but loyal servants, Beatrice said... Gohda was hired by Krauss and is loyal to him, and even Kumasawa is portrayed as being a bit of a flake due to advancing years... So I really don't know. resurgam40 fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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Kumasawa and Ghoda.
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Dr Pepper posted:Kumasawa and Ghoda. I think resurgam's point is that unlike the other servants, Kumasawa and Gouda haven't been called to Kinzo's quarters to watch ![]()
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resurgam40 posted:vvv Kumasawa I might allow, but loyal servants, Beatrice said... No, that's what SardonicTyrant said. Beatrice didn't say much anything in the update, the servants realized on their own why they had been summoned.
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Kanon was desperately trying to stay alive, and he had a strong desire to become human. But Lucifer didn't feel anything stronger than a slight desire to play. So, that led to an inevitable result. It was a result that could be reached by the power of humans. The power of the heart. ![]() The glowing red curve extended straight out from Kanon's arm, pointing at Lucifer's throat, just beneath the tip of her chin... ![]() As she ground her teeth in irritation, she tried to deny the truth right before her eyes. But no matter how much she believed in her own superiority, it didn't change the facts right in front of her. ![]() BGM: Organ Short #600 Million in C Minor ![]() ![]() It would have seemed like mere rebuke to an outsider. However, furniture serving the witch knew what kind of severe treatment was promised by that rebuke... and understood what had been left unsaid... ![]() She howled. Abandoning her last bit of pride, she made her body explode, exposing her true form. That form was a demon stake, which bounced off the walls surrounding the room... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() After flying about wildly for some time, with a speed approaching the limits of what a human eye could follow, Lucifer flew at Kanon's heart... She could tell that it was Kanon's blood by the sweet taste of it... But she quickly noticed one thing. ...She hadn't pierced his heart... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() BGM: Black Lilliana The floor was stained with dripping blood. It really was Kanon's blood... but it wasn't flowing out of his chest. Kanon had sacrificed his own left hand to protect his heart... Lucifer was arrogant. Even though she'd been given enough time to realize that this was an opponent capable of cornering her, in her pride, she had believed him to be worthless. She had gotten careless. So, just as she had announced, she had aimed for his chest, trying to pierce his heart. Because she was arrogant, she hadn't even thought of aiming for somewhere other than the place she had announced. ...No, maybe she had thought about it a little. However, her pride would not allow her to aim for a different spot. After all, she was... Lucifer the Proud. Kanon, withstanding the pain, grasped the demon stake sticking deep into his left hand strongly with his right hand... and pulled it out... When she heard the sound of breaking bones and even more blood dripping down, Shannon looked away reflexively. There was an air hole in the back of the pierced hand so big, you could clearly see through to the other side... Kanon's face was filled with pain, but right now, he had won, without a doubt. The demon stake he was gripping with his right hand turned back into Lucifer again... So that Kanon was now gripping exactly where her neck was. ![]() ![]() Kanon didn't hold back at all with the hand gripping Lucifer's throat. She had challenged him again after their fight had already been decided. Kanon had no obligation to be considerate. But even so, Kanon released the witch's furniture. Was it his naive humanism, his pity for another furniture, or a final bit of respect to the witch? In any case, when she was released, Lucifer fell face-down on the ground, wretching and moaning over the pain in her throat... ![]() Ronove was clapping his hands. To Kanon, who had won at great cost and had a wound on his left hand that wouldn't close, Ronove appause only felt like mockery. ![]() ![]() ![]() Shannon ran up to him and wrapped a handkerchief around his left hand, which was still spraying blood. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() When Beatrice waved her pipe, heaven and earth turned over just for Lucifer. So, as a horribly natural result, she 'fell' onto the ceiling. The ceiling doesn't seem that high to people standing on the floor. However, people who fall on it upside-down and head-first usually don't agree... ![]() ![]() Beatrice waved her pipe again. When she did, the magic that had been effecting Lucifer was released. So, as a horribly natural result, this time she 'fell' properly, back onto the floor. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() BGM: Nighteyes ![]() ![]() All the Seven Sisters of Purgatory were here, after Kanon was able to defeat one only by sacrificing his left arm... By now, Kanon regretted his thoughtlessness in accepting the witch's challenge. He had been foolish to assume that a game against a witch would be on an even footing...! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The Seven Sisters of Purgatory unanimously closed in on their worthless sister. Abusing her. Even Kanon, who had been fighting for his life until a second ago, couldn't bear to look at it... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() After grinding her teeth over and over after hearing her sisters' curses, ...Lucifer trembled all over... and answered her sisters' request... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The girl known as Pride was finally unable to endure the words she was saying...and broke down crying. However, the six younger sisters kept giggling coldheartedly. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() BGM: Life's End ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The seven of them burst at once. They had no intention of playing or boasting. This time, they would genuinely follow their master's order. Take Kanon down. Swiftly! The Seven Sisters jumped around the room faster than the eye could see, examining how they could best kill Kanon. They tortured Kanon with their cruel giggles, sometimes making a close pass at him. They kept scraping his arms, shoulders, and cheeks, gradually carving red letters into his body... At that moment, Shannon dashed up behind him, holding on to him so that she blocked the way to his body at least a little. ![]() BGM: Scorpion Entrails At the same time, a red cylinder wrapped around the two of them, like a beam of light sent from heaven. That cylinder repelled the evil ones who tormented Kanon... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ...Shannon's barrier certainly was strong. It was powerful enough to impress even Beatrice. With its strength, frail furniture would turn to dust just by touching it, and it was firm, like a tree with deep roots. But no matter how big a tree gets, it will eventually surrender to a saw or a hatchet. For the Seven Sisters, 'chopping down' Shannon's barrier would be annoying, but not impossible. A sound like beetles jumping about grew even fiercer and filled the room. The red barrier began to be cut up and eroded away as though with an hatchet, a saw... no, a chainsaw by now... ![]() ![]() As Shannon covered Kanon, who was already at his limits, sprawled on the floor, she spoke back resolutely. ![]() ![]() An cruel death will cause you far more anguish than merely dying. *cackle*cackle*cackle*!" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Then, Genji gently held her from behind... and covered her eyes with his right hand. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() After that, Genji softly pressed his left hand near her collarbone... As he did, eminating from that area... a crimson stain gently spread out. When Genji removed his hand, bright-red, fresh blood oozed out of there. It only happened for the first instant, and it was shaped like a crimson rose... And when he removed his right hand covering her face, there was a peaceful expression there, as though she was sleeping. ![]() BGM: Daydream's End Her soul had already been sent to a world where the malicious witch and her furniture could not reach her, no matter how evilly they tortured her... This scene left Beatrice and the Seven Sisters stunned. Only Ronove wore a mysterious smile. Then, Genji leaned over Kanon, who was crouching on the floor. ![]() ![]() Just as he had done with Shannon, he softly covered Kanon's eyes with his hand, then gently pressed the area around Kanon's collarbone with his other hand. And when his hand was removed with the lightness of a feather, there was a crimson rose there. But that rose shape quickly turned into the stain of bright-red blood pouring out... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Beatrice faced him with an unsatisfied expression, but Ronove spoke quietly to Genji with a soothing smile. ![]() ![]() ![]() He crumpled, falling into a sleep that no witch could call him back from... It was as filled with kindness as the sleep he had given Shannon and Kanon... ![]() ![]() ![]() What was it that had Beatrice so irritated? Was she still unable to remove the thorn of Shannon's words? Ronove laughed lightly, as though lamenting the complexity of humanity and a woman's heart, and ordered the Seven Sisters to go. After all, there were still two sacrifices left for the first twilight. ![]() ![]()
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ProfessorProf posted:
Oh ho ho, what's this now? I though you and Kinzo together were celebrating how unlike humans you were, and every time Battler or Ronove asserts your humanity you're quick to correct them, but in the face of Shannon's bravery and selflessness, you tell a much different tale. Beato insists she can't understand it at all, but from the fact she goes all the gently caress to pieces in the face of genuine love and altruism belies that she understands more than she ever wants to. To be precise, she understands that they are not there in her life... and when they were there, that they were betrayed. Betrayal. That's it, isn't it? That is the core of what she's doing, the reason for it all... what is meant by collecting on Kinzo's debt. She does not want his assets or his love, she wants to DESTROY him; she wants to avenge herself upon the man who made her feel loved, who "brought her to life", and then took it all away by locking her in a cage. She forgot who she was, why she was there, and when she was set free, it all came back... just how much she gave up, and how little she got in return. You can see it in what makes her happiest, and why she acts as she does toward Kanon- on all the island, he's the only one who's been the hardest shafted by his fate and the most keen awareness of it, and his despair as he is betrayed by his own expectations is such that it makes Beato forget her own. That's why he's become Beato's second biggest punching bag (besides Battler, of course) and why she enjoys toying with him so much: just like Lucy with her football, she revels in building up Kanon's expectations one way and then yanking the rug from out of him, just like Kinzo did to her. And she can't do the same to Shannon, because her expectations were rewarded- all of her relationships have been reciprocated, George, Kanon, and even frigging Genji, which floors me, as this is pretty much his first act of self-autonomy in this story ever- and that's what Beatrice cannot stand, what she's weak against. Hurt repaying hurt. This is no story of magic and wonder, this is a story about bullying and abuse twisting otherwise happy, loving people into conduits for even more pain and sorrow in other peoples lives. And the answer to it is not eye of newt or guts of scorpion, it is mercy.
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ProfessorProf posted:
That's some masterful trolling of the audience, Ryukishi07. Also, once again, all this supposedly awesome, magical stuff leaves exactly zero credible witnesses.
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resurgam40 posted:Oh ho ho, This is a great post, and reading your comments is always a high point of my day, but have you considered that perhaps the solution is that magic is real?
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I wonder what Genji's deal is? Being furniture just can't be that fun and something to be devoted to. The superpowers do seem pretty cool though.
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oath2order posted:This is a great post, and reading your comments is always a high point of my day, but have you considered that perhaps the solution is that magic is real? Magic is only "real" if it can be performed exactly the same in front of everyone, and so far, it has only been performed in front of "believers" in magic or people who ended up dead by the end of the story. Legitimate energy sources, metamorphoses, and systems of physics do not suddenly stop working depending on who's observing; that isn't how those things work. And the metaphorical, systematic meanings behind these acts are not only hinted at by the author to be the truth, but are far more interesting to me than any so-called magic has been yet. In short, I'm flattered that you think so highly of my posting and hope I can continue to meet expectations, but I will accept Ottumon's chimps before I accept magic by a witch. ![]()
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resurgam40 posted:Magic is only "real" if it can be performed exactly the same in front of everyone, and so far, it has only been performed in front of "believers" in magic or people who ended up dead by the end of the story. Legitimate energy sources, metamorphoses, and systems of physics do not suddenly stop working depending on who's observing; that isn't how those things work. And the metaphorical, systematic meanings behind these acts are not only hinted at by the author to be the truth, but are far more interesting to me than any so-called magic has been yet. they're bald chimps in diapers ![]()
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resurgam40 posted:Magic is only "real" if it can be performed exactly the same in front of everyone, and so far, it has only been performed in front of "believers" in magic or people who ended up dead by the end of the story. Legitimate energy sources, metamorphoses, and systems of physics do not suddenly stop working depending on who's observing; that isn't how those things work. And the metaphorical, systematic meanings behind these acts are not only hinted at by the author to be the truth, but are far more interesting to me than any so-called magic has been yet. And Battler. Battler pretty clearly saw that last bit of magic. I'm still not sure how literally we're meant to take the higher level of the chess game though.
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The most interesting thing in their was Ronove calling Genji his servant.
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curiousCat posted:The most interesting thing in their was Ronove calling Genji [/i]his[/i] servant. Especially given the similarity of their names.
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CottonWolf posted:And Battler. Battler pretty clearly saw that last bit of magic. I'm still not sure how literally we're meant to take the higher level of the chess game though. Well, I mean. Meta Battler is in Purgatorio with Beatrice, a realm that by its definition is magical in nature. It probably does not actually exist if magic does not exist, and by that recknoning, the Battler that witnesses this magic is also a part of it.
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curiousCat posted:The most interesting thing in their was Ronove calling Genji his servant. Clearly Ronove is a master craftsman and made several exceptionally lifelike robots, which he then sold to Kinzo. He still affectionately refers to them as his servants. They're definitely all robots and not lesser demons, no magic at all required.
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This is all well and good, but have we considered the possibility that perhaps nobody actually died in any sense that actually matters? The whole point is to open the way to the Golden Land. Perhaps physical bodies aren't required there, like it's some kind of higher, enlightened plane?
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In that case, then everyone dies, and Beatrice wins. Again. I'm gonna admit it. I'm the Battler here. Thinking through these things hurts my head. loving witches and claiming they aren't human when they go ahead and claim they're human. Battler, just get over the fact that you can't handle your family killing each other. They're dysfunctional as hell, blame your grandpa.
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Admitting that someone in your family is a deranged mass murderer is a very tough pill to swallow. They may be dysfunctional, but they were never that reprehensible in front of Battler. It can't possibly be any of your uncles or aunts, or their servants. No -human- could do such a terrible thing.
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halfhazardKnight posted:Admitting that someone in your family is a deranged mass murderer is a very tough pill to swallow. They may be dysfunctional, but they were never that reprehensible in front of Battler. It can't possibly be any of your uncles or aunts, or their servants. No -human- could do such a terrible thing. Which is just another point for the Chimpanzee theory. ![]()
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If it's easier for you to believe in a chimpanzee or chimpanzees slaughtering their way through a rich family's private island through adorable hi-jinks than a witch executing the business end of a Faustian bargain...
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![]() October 5th, 1986, 12:21 AM ![]() Rokkenjima had always been empty, except for the Ushiromiya Family household. So, checking that the doors and windows were all closed had no real purpose. However, ever since the time Natsuhi had condemned such an attitude as being careless, the nighttime rounds had become part of the servants' daily routine. ...In the first place, Natsuhi had ordered this because of the occasional witch disturbances. Everyone who came and left this island knew about the legend of Beatrice, the witch of the forest. It had become established as this island's characteristic ghost story. Because of that, it was only natural that some people would claim that, when they thought they were alone in the mansion, they would hear a strange sound or see the shadow of a person. However, when that created a little too much of a disturbance and reached Natsuhi's ears, she made a fuss, thinking that some suspicious person might have been entering and leaving. Apparently, she had roused all the servants and had them check throughout the mansion. Because all of that panic over the witch had happened before Gohda's arrival, he had only heard about it from the more senior servants. Ghost stories like that could be found in any workplace. Even at the hotels and restaurants Gohda had worked at, there had been plenty of them. So when he heard about that story on this island, he'd given a forced smile, thinking 'Ah, so they have that kind of thing here after all'. That forced smile aside, he had figured that, when in Rome, do as the Romans do, and had taken it seriously. Gohda went along with it on the outside, but in his heart, he'd assumed it to be a childish trick. At first, that is. ![]() He could understand how someone doing the rounds on an eerie night like this... might believe they'd seen a ghost if they saw a lace curtain waving in the breeze from a window that hadn't been closed. ![]() Gohda prayed to the portrait, his hands together, as though he was at a Shinto shrine... ![]() The kitchen? Was that the sound of something metal falling on the floor? Maybe a mouse or a cockroach had come out and knocked over some of the dishes. No, no, how could that be? It was usually cleaned thoroughly! Thinking he'd check out what that noise really had been, Gohda entered the kitchen. ![]() *clank*clank*clank*clank*clank*clank*. To a cook like Gohda, the sound felt like the lid on a pressure cooker or something shaking. Surely, there wouldn't be a pot on the burner when no one was in the kitchen. Even if someone was using the gas, walking away from it would be quite dangerous. ...Just in case, Gohda decided to inspect the area around the gas range... ![]() When he did, in the corner with the gas range, the pressure cooker really had been set out, just as he'd thought. But the flame wasn't on. And yet, the lid was clanking... Was something fermenting and leaking gas? How could that be? Then was there a mouse or something inside? How could there be? Ridiculous... When people were watching, Gohda acted as though he had a bold personality fitting for his build, but he actually had an unexpectedly timid side to him. He was frightened that there might be something inside, and he couldn't bring himself to check it carelessly... In his cowardice, ..he grabbed a nearby wooden pestle, and with a *clunk!* he tapped it a little forcefully against the side of the pressure cooker. When he did, the clanking sound suddenly stopped. He should've been relieved that it had stopped, but the fact that it had stopped when he'd hit it was even more eerie, and made him even more suspicious about what was inside... ![]() He repeated that many times, trying to build up his own confidence. The gap between what he was saying and what he was doing was quite comical. ![]() ...He removed the lid of the pressure cooker. ![]() ...There was absolutely nothing frightening like he'd imagined. ![]() By now, Gohda realized that he had been a coward. So, while he still had some doubts as to what had caused the lid to make that sound, he figured it wasn't a big problem, and decided not to worry about it too much. Then he took the lid he'd grabbed... and softly set it back down where it had been. It's fine, it won't make a sound. Of course it won't. As if witches or magic could exist...! ![]() BGM: Red Dread ![]() *clank*clank*clank*clank*clank*clank*clank*clank*. *clank*clank*clank*clank*clank*clank*clank*clank*clank*clank*clank*clank*clank*clank*clank*clank*! ![]() All of the pots and dishes in the kitchen started clanking at once. It grew even stronger, so that finally, the lid to one of the pots fell off...! ![]() Lids fell off the other pots one after another, and another, and another... ![]() When the number of arms grew to seven, a loud, shrill laughter split the air. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Kuhihihihi, first one wins, first one wins, right?! Come on, search, search, find her, find her...! Don't be noticed by the relatives in the dining hall, right? And don't get noticed by the kids in the guesthouse, right? Search in silence, kill in silence! After all, it's still just the first twilight! ![]() Hey, hey, I found her, I found her, she's in the rose garden. Why's she standing around there without an umbrella? She's already given up, all mine, all mine, all miiine! You blockheads can just sit there and watch! I told you, nooooooo, this one's miiiiiiiiiiiiine!! Come on, if we take any longer, we'll be scolded by Beatrice-sama! Let's take care of it all at once! ![]() There, found her, surrounded her! Come on, let's get along and do it all at once, okay?! Diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiie!!! ![]() BGM: None ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() BGM: Psy-chorus ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Then, after she was wrapped in a golden sparkle, she burst and disappeared, and Kumasawa's form was no longer there. ![]() Her hair was long, beautiful, and vividly youthful, and her figure in that elegant dress couldn't possibly have been mistaken for an old lady... No, this looked like a completely different person from Kumasawa. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() After that, what remained was the Beatrice whose daring expression didn't falter... and the teacher Beatrice, who had given up that name and wore a composed smile... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Quinn2win fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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![]() I definitely did not see that coming.
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Another weirdo has come!
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SardonicTyrant posted:
Yeah. Wow, Kumasawa.
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Turns out everyone is a witch or a demon.
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# ? Jun 18, 2024 22:24 |
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lotus circle posted:Turns out everyone is a witch or a demon.
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