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In Slovenia, a proposal for some changes in the communications law appeared. Here, since the udba.net debacle (like 15 years ago someone posted the slovenian udba/sdv (successor of udba) archives nicely sorted by last name on the internet, I can post more if people are interested), any and all blocking of web sites must strictly go through the court. Makes sense, in any real country, right? Well, no, because obviously, we aren't thinking of the children enough. The excuse is, as always when talking about blocking something on the internet, child porn. The new law proposes removing the "court order only" part of blocking sites, when said sites are on a list of known child abuse hosting sites. Said list is, of course, classified. Now, there's several problems with this idea. The purported reason is "getting a court order takes too much time", which might look legit at first glance (courts are notoriously slow here), but in these cases, things can move very fast so no, not really. Second thing is, while the police can shut down domestic hosters in a matter of minutes, foreign ones are supposedly harder/impossible to shut down. This, again, quickly shows up as false, as most recent reports had the offending site taken down in <30 minutes. The longest time it took in recent years was some hosting site in the middle of nowhere, India, which took a whole 3 hours (lmao, oh no) before it got shut down by the authorities there, after being reported by our police. However, these response times are apparently just not good enough. No, police needs instant control over blocking sites (rather than reporting them to the correct authorities and have it actually dealt with), because apparently proxies don't exist anymore in 2016. Blocking sites on a national level, without a court order, on the basis of some super secret list only a few people have access to. Hmm, what could possibly go wrong. And now that I got the "just stupid and obviously lazy" part out of the way, here's the real kicker. While the police is obviously working really hard to remove all possible offending material off the internet (though nobody knows how the current addendum helps that), there's also a proposed addendum to the police obligations and powers law. The police is going to create and maintain an archive of all photo, audio, video, and other content containing sexual abuse of minors, all the metadata, all the data about the criminal and the victim. Of course all in the name of protecting victims. And then keep that data, for 60 years after it is discovered the person was a minor in the content. Just in case, so the victim doesn't forget about the tragedy, and instead knows in the back of their mind, there's this archive of poo poo, nicely tucked away in some govt filing warehouse. It'd be a real shame if they moved on with their life after all. Obviously, this wouldn't be free either, there would have to be people monitoring this archive, and that's obviously what a southern european country heavily in debt should be spending cash on, infrastructure and people that watch over an archive of child pornography. The logic is just loving Meanwhile, actual police officer wages are literally minimal allowable wage, because we gotta save a couple cents here and there in these hard times of crushing debt right? i gotta run way form this shitshow country jfc
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# ? Sep 12, 2016 16:10 |
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Truga posted:
Other countries (like the US, Canada, Australia, UK) do maintain that evidence as well, though the actual content gets kept on highly secure archives while, say, your local police department will use visual/audio fingerprint techniques to match suspected child pornography to things that have already been found. (For instance like how you can use the freeware VisiPics program to check if you have duplicate or close duplicates pictures). The specific 60 year retention period is odd, as I doubt the other countries bothered to set a date, but not really out of line.
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# ? Sep 12, 2016 17:24 |
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Truga posted:Obviously, this wouldn't be free either, there would have to be people monitoring this archive, and that's obviously what a southern european country heavily in debt should be spending cash on, infrastructure and people that watch over an archive of child pornography. The logic is just loving Meanwhile, actual police officer wages are literally minimal allowable wage, because we gotta save a couple cents here and there in these hard times of crushing debt right? Well, that way, if a cop is really hurting for money, they can blackmail a victim thanks to that big warehouse of child porn. Or sell some of it. See, the invisible hand of the free market wins again!
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Truga posted:In Slovenia, a proposal for some changes in the communications law appeared. Here, since the udba.net debacle (like 15 years ago someone posted the slovenian udba/sdv (successor of udba) archives nicely sorted by last name on the internet, I can post more if people are interested), any and all blocking of web sites must strictly go through the court. Makes sense, in any real country, right? Well, no, because obviously, we aren't thinking of the children enough. You'll be happy to find out that these censor lists without any judicial oversight are more or ubiquitous across Europe already. Your country are just laggards as per usual.
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I don't understand, they are keeping the information about the victim on file? What is the purpose of a national sex abuse victim database? I understand keeping the abuser's info on record (duh), but what the gently caress kind of bullshit is putting victims in some government database? Unless they're only the materials themself without personal identifiers. I can understand the need to keep the actual illegal material on file, it can be used to match to see if there's new abuse media being produced for instance, but hopefully without the victim's name and national id attached to it.
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A Pale Horse posted:I don't understand, they are keeping the information about the victim on file? What is the purpose of a national sex abuse victim database? I understand keeping the abuser's info on record (duh), but what the gently caress kind of bullshit is putting victims in some government database? Unless they're only the materials themself without personal identifiers. I can understand the need to keep the actual illegal material on file, it can be used to match to see if there's new abuse media being produced for instance, but hopefully without the victim's name and national id attached to it. The victim, when known, is already going to be recorded in the trial transcripts, investigation records and so on in the first place, which is already in "government databases". Not sure why you think it's weird? Just as you'd record who got murdered, who got robbed, who got their house burned down or whatever. I'd doubt that this information wasn't getting recorded beforehand, frankly.
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fishmech posted:The victim, when known, is already going to be recorded in the trial transcripts, investigation records and so on in the first place, which is already in "government databases". Not sure why you think it's weird? Just as you'd record who got murdered, who got robbed, who got their house burned down or whatever. I don't know, maybe you're right but it sits wrong with me. That sort of information should not be in a general police database especially connected to specific abuse images. The rights of victims of abuse should be guarded especially carefully and the idea that any provincial johnny lawman can request this specific information without oversight or special petition seems rife for abuse if you know EE cops.
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# ? Sep 12, 2016 20:36 |
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Or you just sell it directly. If you investigate sexual crimes i am sure you get to know how the peado-networks buy porn from eachother. With small enough scruples nothing is inconceivable.
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A Pale Horse posted:I don't know, maybe you're right but it sits wrong with me. That sort of information should not be in a general police database especially connected to specific abuse images. The rights of victims of abuse should be guarded especially carefully and the idea that any provincial johnny lawman can request this specific information without oversight or special petition seems rife for abuse if you know EE cops. Yeah like obviously it's a problem that cops can go get all of it, but I highly suspect those crooked cops can already pull most or all of the information already. Making it a specific different database from the existing records shouldn't really increase or decrease that sort of abuse.
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# ? Sep 12, 2016 21:17 |
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fishmech posted:Other countries (like the US, Canada, Australia, UK) do maintain that evidence as well, though the actual content gets kept on highly secure archives while, say, your local police department will use visual/audio fingerprint techniques to match suspected child pornography to things that have already been found. (For instance like how you can use the freeware VisiPics program to check if you have duplicate or close duplicates pictures). The specific 60 year retention period is odd, as I doubt the other countries bothered to set a date, but not really out of line. quote:In December 2001, Canadian authorities determined that there was no possible future use of the videotapes. The six videotapes depicting the torture and rape of Bernardo's and Homolka's victims were destroyed. The disposition of the tapes of Homolka watching and commenting on the tapes remains sealed.
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Friendly Humour posted:You'll be happy to find out that these censor lists without any judicial oversight are more or ubiquitous across Europe already. Your country are just laggards as per usual. I'd rather we stay laggards in this case. fishmech posted:Other countries (like the US, Canada, Australia, UK) do maintain that evidence as well, though the actual content gets kept on highly secure archives while, say, your local police department will use visual/audio fingerprint techniques to match suspected child pornography to things that have already been found. (For instance like how you can use the freeware VisiPics program to check if you have duplicate or close duplicates pictures). The specific 60 year retention period is odd, as I doubt the other countries bothered to set a date, but not really out of line. Currently, any illegal material is destroyed after due process. I have zero issue with fingerprinting the data, but that's something that's already being done. I see no reason to additionally store originals, and definitely not for several decades. Also, AFAICT currently the victim data is anonimized in official records. This isn't supposed to change, except in the stupid archive. It just seems like a weird and stupid thing to me. What use could such an archive possibly even have?
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The Uzbek talk is fascinating, if depressing because I now have to add another black hole of misery to my metal image of the world.Rinkles posted:Smalec, Szmalec was another. (Lard spread is the English term?)
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Truga posted:Obviously, this wouldn't be free either, there would have to be people monitoring this archive, and that's obviously what a southern european country heavily in debt should be spending cash on, infrastructure and people that watch over an archive of child pornography. The logic is just loving Meanwhile, actual police officer wages are literally minimal allowable wage, because we gotta save a couple cents here and there in these hard times of crushing debt right? This issue makes you want to leave your country? If that's the worst you get we should all move to Slovenia.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 09:39 |
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No, I want to leave country anyway, because everything else is hosed too. This is just some extra spilling over the already long time full poo poo bucket.
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In other news, Turkmenistan's parliament has unilaterally voted to extend presidential term from 5 to 7 years, and to change the constitutional requirement for president's age from 40-70 to 40+.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:In other news, Turkmenistan's parliament has unilaterally voted to extend presidential term from 5 to 7 years, and to change the constitutional requirement for president's age from 40-70 to 40+. How many days of the week are named after their president now? Or did he name some of them after his mother, I can't remember
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I've watched Smolensk the movie! My review: im permabanned poster commiestomper58. i first started reading the reports of parliamentary committee for the investigation of the tu-154m crash in smolensk when i was about 12. by 14 i got really obsessed with the concept of "assassination of president kaczynski by the coward donald tusk" and tried to channel it constantly, until my thought process got really bizarre and i would repeat things like "shots heard" and "the russians spread artificial fog to hide the fact that they blew up the airplane" in my head for hours, and i would get really paranoid, start seeing things in the corners of my eyes etc, basically prodromal schizophrenia. im now on antipsychotics. i always wondered what the kind of "assassination theory" style of the committee report was all about; i think it's the unconscious leaking in to the conscious, what jungian theory considered to be the cause of schizophrenic and schizotypal syptoms. i would advise all people who "get" macierewicz to be careful because that likely means you have a predisposition to a mental illness. peace.
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MikeCrotch posted:How many days of the week are named after their president now? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaming_of_Turkmen_months_and_days_of_week,_2002
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 12:18 |
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Pierogi posted:I've watched Smolensk the movie! My review: It's been changed, though.
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Pizdec posted:This was the IMDB page for it for a while: Lol, that's pretty amazing. They may have changed the blurbs but its sitting at a cool 1.1/10 rating still though. I have no plans or intentions to pay money to see this piece of poo poo especially as I'm sure it will be played once a week on TVP in about a year.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 15:30 |
Not completely related, but congrats BM to landing a new job, keep up the good work! I'm kinda tempted to pirate that Smolensk movie just for the wow factor but I don't think anyone will bother with English subtitles...
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anilEhilated posted:Not completely related, but congrats BM to landing a new job, keep up the good work! Brown Moses works for HRC, the was right !
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Has anyone noticed how Ukraine is crushing it in the Paralympic? I certainly haven't because that's the only thing I'd normally care about even less than the regular Olympics, but eventually I couldn't not notice the third place in the tables and, most importantly, Russia's complete absence . So the article I saw on BBC was finally some good news not as much about the sports specifically but just something finally working properly in the country. Here are some highlights: quote:Ukraine's own Paralympic chief, Valeriy Sushkevych, is the man credited with much of the success, in particular a programme he developed called Invasport. They should make a sappy sports movie about it.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 20:01 |
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BM continues to do great things.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 20:19 |
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anilEhilated posted:Not completely related, but congrats BM to landing a new job, keep up the good work! It's a visiting position, so it's not a job, but we have various plans which will become public at a later date. Meanwhile, exactly two weeks ahead of the JIT press conference on MH17 Almaz-Antey has come out gunning for Bellingcat, dutifully reported by Russian media including Sputnik https://m.sputniknews.com/europe/20160914/1045312486/bellingcat-misinformation-mh17-investigation.html
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Man, that would be a lot more credible/effective/plausible if the fact that the company was fully nationalized wasn't public knowledge.
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Brown Moses posted:It's a visiting position, so it's not a job, but we have various plans which will become public at a later date. Meanwhile, exactly two weeks ahead of the JIT press conference on MH17 Almaz-Antey has come out gunning for Bellingcat, dutifully reported by Russian media including Sputnik Oh. so it wasn't that Ukrainian MiG that shot it down after all? It was a missile from somewhere in Ukraine. Add that to the "Russian theories of what else could have shot down MH17 other than the obvious one that has tons of evidence supporting it" xls.
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# ? Sep 15, 2016 00:38 |
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anilEhilated posted:Not completely related, but congrats BM to landing a new job, keep up the good work! First you get the YouTubes, then you get the grant funding, THEN you get the women.
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# ? Sep 15, 2016 01:07 |
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http://fightland.vice.com/blog/jeff-monson-is-now-a-citizen-of-a-pro-russian-rebel-state-in-ukraine?utm_source=fightlandfbus lol i know this guy
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:http://fightland.vice.com/blog/jeff-monson-is-now-a-citizen-of-a-pro-russian-rebel-state-in-ukraine?utm_source=fightlandfbus Jeff Monson seems to have lost the plot the past few years. I'd love to see the mental gymnastics he performs to justify going from an anarcho-communist protesting war & poverty to becoming a useful idiot for Putin. I hope he's at least being compensated well, not very many opportunities for old MMA fighters.
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:http://fightland.vice.com/blog/jeff-monson-is-now-a-citizen-of-a-pro-russian-rebel-state-in-ukraine?utm_source=fightlandfbus
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forkboy84 posted:Jeff Monson seems to have lost the plot the past few years. I'd love to see the mental gymnastics he performs to justify going from an anarcho-communist protesting war & poverty to becoming a useful idiot for Putin. I hope he's at least being compensated well, not very many opportunities for old MMA fighters. Like a lot of lefty extremists he hates Amerikkka and thinks its the biggest problem in the world. I doubt its any deeper than that. At least he has the excuse of repeated brain trauma from being punched in the head for 20 years to explain away his stupidity, what's Noam Chomsky's or other idiot leftist "thinkers" excuse?
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forkboy84 posted:Jeff Monson seems to have lost the plot the past few years. I'd love to see the mental gymnastics he performs to justify going from an anarcho-communist protesting war & poverty to becoming a useful idiot for Putin. I hope he's at least being compensated well, not very many opportunities for old MMA fighters. There was a really great article on him in russian, in general he understands that he shills for crooks and dirtiest capitalists, but he has burned all bridges and is directed by the appointed manager. He is no more than a dancing bear being paraded with puffy governors and teaching grapples to putinjugend kids. The article also notes that he used to support Russian antifa and Russian left opposition around 2013, but now he rolls with CPRF because what else he can do. At least Snowden gets to post one anti-Russian tweet every month!
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A Pale Horse posted:Like a lot of lefty extremists he hates Amerikkka and thinks its the biggest problem in the world. I doubt its any deeper than that. At least he has the excuse of repeated brain trauma from being punched in the head for 20 years to explain away his stupidity, what's Noam Chomsky's or other idiot leftist "thinkers" excuse? It's such a Cold Warrior mentality though. I'm not really much less extreme left than Jeff Monson really but I am quite capable of accepting that America is bad but this does not make Russia good just because they oppose each other on some matters. It's always irked me, but it's somehow worse when it's an anarchist doing it. All states are bad, that's hardly a contentious point in anarchism, therefore it shouldn't be hard to come to the conclusion that opposing US policy doesn't somehow make you good. fatherboxx posted:There was a really great article on him in russian, in general he understands that he shills for crooks and dirtiest capitalists, but he has burned all bridges and is directed by the appointed manager. He is no more than a dancing bear being paraded with puffy governors and teaching grapples to putinjugend kids.
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https://meduza.io/en/news/2016/09/14/russia-bans-porhhubquote:Russia bans PornHub
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# ? Sep 15, 2016 17:39 |
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The spark to light the overthrow of Putin has been lit.
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El Scotch posted:The spark to light the overthrow of Putin has been lit. Hmm, depends if he bans vodka too.
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# ? Sep 15, 2016 17:42 |
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And Counter Strike.
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# ? Sep 15, 2016 17:44 |
Disco Infiva posted:And Dota.
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And squatting.
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