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Update on my Toshiba 55SL417U: The picture is great, but there is a small amount of bleeding from the backlight. Watching V for Vendetta (on HD-DVD, woo!) last night in the dark was the most noticeable it has been. Watching sports today it is a complete non-issue. The sound sucks. If you don't have a sound system, I would pass on this TV. I have a nice Denon home theater system so this doesn't matter to me. The built-in wireless and apps are awesome! I no longer have to turn on my HTPC to watch Netflix or listen to a Pandora station. In summary; it's huge, it's pretty, it's about as cheap as you're going to get for an LED TV. At around $1000 it's well worth the price.
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After a few days of ownership, I highly recommend the Vizio XVT3D474SV 47" LED. Bright screen (fully backlit LED, not edge-lit), incredibly vivid colors. Not much bleeding or bloom to speak of. Some artifacting but it's not anything that I haven't seen on every other HDTV I've ever seen and certainly not anything that has detracted from my viewing experience (can only see it if I get up close to the screen). I'm really no pro at these things, but from my limited research on what bloom/bleeding is I can say that this TV doesn't have a noticeable problem. And the colors! Sound isn't great, but I'm not sure any new HDTV is gonna have great sound from what I've read. Works well for my purposes so far, anyway. Apps work beautifully so far. Bluetooth remote is very cool, even though I keep forgetting that I dont have to aim at the TV. QWERTY keyboard on the remote is handy though I usually have my laptop right next to me (TV is in my bedroom) so I haven't used the Facebook app much. Haven't tried 3D yet. Probably will at some point, but I bought this TV on the recommendation of other's based on their reviews of it's 2D picture anyway. Still futzing with the settings but I highly recommend this set if you're looking for a good LED. $938 on Amazon.
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I'm currently shopping for a TV for my basement. We're going to reorganize the layout within the next year, but I don't think that will be an issue in terms of size. I'm thinking a 37 inch is the right way to go, since the couch is about 8 feet away and all the lighting is artificial. I've got my eye on the VIZIO XVT373SV, but I'm a little concerned about some of the stuff I've read about input lag for gaming on these, since the primary devices for it are going to be a PS3 and a Wii. I like the Vizio brand, so it's not that, this was actually my first pick until I did some research. I figure I'm hosed on the Wii side no matter what, since it was a launch one and I never got the damaged GPU fixed, so whatever. But lag on the PS3 side would probably be pretty annoying (I die enough playing Dark Souls as is). Does anyone have one of these with a PS3 and have an opinion to share? My secondary choice is the LG 37LV3500 set. I'd probably end up with a slightly older model from Best Buy, since they have the 450. It has really nice reviews.
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Bought a LG 47LW5600 last week. I am not happy with it at all. The 3d is awesome, but the inconsistent panel lighting drives me mad. Any dark movie or game looks like crap on it. I am going to return it and get a Panasonic plasma. I am looking at the 50 inch st30 and gt30. The gt30 costs 200 more. Is it worth the extra money?
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I'm sure this has been asked before, but I haven't had any luck with search. Are there any good sites out there that do very thorough, very technical reviews of TVs? The quick and dirty reviews on CNET, Consumer Reports, and pretty much every other site can I find aren't cutting it for me.
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What's a good affordable HDTV in the 26"-32" range? I would use it primarily for gaming with some TV watching from about six feet away and I don't want to go over $400 if possible. Edit: I would prefer it not be an LG because my current HDTV is an LG that is starting to crap out but is out of warranty by about a month so gently caress LG. 
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AndrewP posted:After a few days of ownership, I highly recommend the Vizio XVT3D474SV 47" LED. Awesome, I'm glad to hear this. I was back and forth between this one and the 55" Vizio XVT553SV and pulled the trigger on the 55" when I found one for just over $1000. It gets delivered on Wednesday. I can't wait.
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millardo72 posted:Awesome, I'm glad to hear this. I was back and forth between this one and the 55" Vizio XVT553SV and pulled the trigger on the 55" when I found one for just over $1000. It gets delivered on Wednesday. I can't wait. Good buy; that's the model I own and I friggin' love it.
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I wound up buying that 37 inch Vizio, I'll put it through it's paces after I get it set up (maybe tomorrow?) to and throw my opinions back into the thread. Bought my first BluRays to stuff in the PS3 to give it a test, too. Sunshine should do a good job being a frigging gorgeous movie and Book of Eli had an awesome style that should translate well to high def.
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SmutAnEggs posted:More words I checked the 65" version out at Costco (they have the TV displays right near the entrance so it has lots of light), and whatever settings they had it running on looked very nice. Wish they carried the 55, 65 is too large for where it's going.
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Last year I bought a Sony 52z5100 and a few months after the factory warranty was up the TV died, $800 to fix it so I'm in the market for a new TV. I've been reading up on reviews at CNET and on AVS forum and I think I'd really like to give plasma a shot since my main priority is motion flow. I HATE judder and general lagginess, I used the motionflow option on my sony and absolutely loved it, I didn't mind a few artificial artifacts here and there (I can only really stand sony's though, samsung's is pretty nasty and LG is awful to me) so I'm really intrigued by plasmas and their inherently superior motion control. The only problem is IR, and after reading through the IR thread on AVS I'm having second thoughts. I play a lot of games and watch a LOT of movies with letterboxes so I'm guessing IR would be a real possibility, and while I'm by no means a picture snob I AM anal enough to get truly bent out of shape over even a little IR on my screen. However, it IS avsforum.com and they tend to get kinda spergy over TV's, so really how bad is it? Do you plasma owners ever see IR after a nice 8hour session of a single game? What about pixels dimming after a while? My buddy bought a plasma a year or two ago and swears he'll never buy another as his entire TV keeps getting dimmer over time. I don't need a super bright picture, but I watch A LOT of TV (I keep it on for background noise so we're talking 10-12 hours a day) and I really don't want the thing crapping out on me after a year or two. With all those things in mind I know I should be looking at another LCD/LED, but the flashlighting, terrible motion control, and uneven screen brightness also kinda pisses me off. So if plasmas really don't have problems with IR or dimming then it's a pretty easy choice for me.
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If you're using a TV that much, you really ought to look at an LED-lit LCD for power savings. Plasmas use a ton of juice, and will warm up the room you're using it in. In the summer, that means you'll be using even more energy to keep the room cool.
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Nocheez posted:If you're using a TV that much, you really ought to look at an LED-lit LCD for power savings. Plasmas use a ton of juice, and will warm up the room you're using it in. In the summer, that means you'll be using even more energy to keep the room cool. Not an issue really, I live in Tucson and have solar panels so my electric bill is negligible if I end up paying at all, and the room it'll be in is the coldest in the house. The GF would probably appreciate the heat. I'm really only concerned with image retention and dimming. After watching my friends TV a bunch I really don't see what he's griping about with the brightness, it looks fine to me, but I do need a bit of reassuring about the IR problems.
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JacksLibido posted:Image retention stuff... I feared IR too until I asked my friend to put his 4 year old Kuro onto the black/white wipe test pattern. Zero image retention. He played like 40 hours of Mass Effect 2 on it and other games and countless movies. He never worried once about image retention. He didn't do the insane break-in they do on AVS forum or anything. Image retention is for sure real and does happen, but unless you do something dumb and leave it paused for hours with high brightness/contrast it will be fine. I checked for IR at the store and I noticed that IR was worse on Samsung/LG than on Panasonic. Plasma's do lose brightness as well, but likely it will be so slow and progressive you wont notice it. If you do by then you will likely want a newer tv anyways. I say forget the insane break-in slides they recommend on AVS forum. Those guys are insane. Just be careful for the first 100 hours or so and just forget about IR and use it like you would with any other tv.
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Capnbigboobies posted:Bought a LG 47LW5600 last week. I am not happy with it at all. The 3d is awesome, but the inconsistent panel lighting drives me mad. Any dark movie or game looks like crap on it. My 47LW5600 arrived today, and I'm not sure what you mean by inconsistent panel lighting. Dark Souls looks great on it so far. The 3D feature is much cooler than I'd expected because it can magically upconvert 2D sources to 3D. This works better with some things than others (anime looks AMAZING in pseudo-3D, for 'Louie' the difference was less impressive), but it's loving astounding that it works at all. Also, I'm in love with the motion remote. It makes controlling the TV much simpler when I don't have to constantly look down at the device in my hands to figure out which button is where. Plus it doesn't require line-of-sight, which is good because in my current entertainment center setup (this TV replaced a 7-year-old 32" Sharp Aquos) the PS3 blocks the IR receiver from most angles. My only complaints so far: there's perceptible lag in games, but it only really seems to be an issue with the Wii pointer, and is still quite playable as I don't ask it to upconvert to 3D (which adds another 200ms or so of lag). Also, the built-in apps like YouTube suck, but what the gently caress did I expect from apps on a TV set.
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Capnbigboobies posted:I feared IR too until I asked my friend to put his 4 year old Kuro onto the black/white wipe test pattern. Zero image retention. He played like 40 hours of Mass Effect 2 on it and other games and countless movies. He never worried once about image retention. He didn't do the insane break-in they do on AVS forum or anything. Yeah I agree with all this. IR was a really big issue when plasma's first came out, and the stigma stuck with them. The stigma was so bad I'm actually surprised you can still buy plasma TV's these days (thank the lord you can, though). I also agree with this post in that my friend's Samsung plasma from around 2 years ago has some IR on it (from him watching 4:3 material all day long) but I do 99% 4:3 classic gaming on my Panasonic plasma and have absolutely no IR at all.
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Hamburglar posted:Yeah I agree with all this. IR was a really big issue when plasma's first came out, and the stigma stuck with them. The stigma was so bad I'm actually surprised you can still buy plasma TV's these days (thank the lord you can, though). I also agree with this post in that my friend's Samsung plasma from around 2 years ago has some IR on it (from him watching 4:3 material all day long) but I do 99% 4:3 classic gaming on my Panasonic plasma and have absolutely no IR at all. If you're not an airport, train station or doing digital signage, image retention isn't worth the worry, IMHO. Phosphor bros for life  Personally though, I'm enough of a sperg that I'd be concerned about AR-based retention like 2.35:1 movies all the time, or 4:3 content all the time, but that really is balanced out by...a wide variety of content. Just your average TV viewing, gaming and movie viewing should even wear the phosphors.
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I'm in the market for an 32"-37" screen for SD broadcasts and X-Box 360 gaming, and have a budget of 400-500€. I am also currently in Finland. So far, I've mostly been looking at Samsung's models but a major issue I've found is that Samsung seems to give their Nordic models different codes, making doing my homework more difficult. Does anyone have any tables for equivalent models in different regions for Samsung TVs? Any specific recommendations for this price range would be good too. Otik fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Oct 13, 2011 |
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Thoom posted:My 47LW5600 arrived today, and I'm not sure what you mean by inconsistent panel lighting. Dark Souls looks great on it so far. The 3D feature is much cooler than I'd expected because it can magically upconvert 2D sources to 3D. This works better with some things than others (anime looks AMAZING in pseudo-3D, for 'Louie' the difference was less impressive), but it's loving astounding that it works at all. With game mode off the lag is fairly bad. With game mode on the blacks go to poo poo due to local dimming being disabled. A lose/lose situation for me. Capnbigboobies fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Oct 13, 2011 |
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Capnbigboobies posted:Try the set in a dark room in game mode, look at the corners of the panel. Game mode disables local dimming and makes the inconsistent panel really noticeable on my tv. I just tried this, and I see what you're talking about now. It's like a little grey halo around the edges. I'm happy to report it doesn't bother me very much.
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Thanks for the reassurances! Is there any truth to the claims on AVS that LCD/LED's have sharper picture resolution than Plasma? I'm really considering a Panasonic 55VT30 but the samsung/sony and really that new Vizion local dimming LED's also look pretty neat. I don't know if I like the idea of blooming though, and I just finished having a pretty bad experience with my 55z5100, bad flashlighting in the corners and really jittery images.
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C2C - 2.0 posted:I picked up the 55" in February (non-3D). If I remember, I'll post my settings when I get home tonight. I think I got 'em off of the AVS forums. No idea if you're still following this thread, but any chance you could post these or link to them on AVS?
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JacksLibido posted:Thanks for the reassurances! Is there any truth to the claims on AVS that LCD/LED's have sharper picture resolution than Plasma? I'm really considering a Panasonic 55VT30 but the samsung/sony and really that new Vizion local dimming LED's also look pretty neat. I don't know if I like the idea of blooming though, and I just finished having a pretty bad experience with my 55z5100, bad flashlighting in the corners and really jittery images. Go to a Magnolia or something like that and spend some time and watch a high end Plasma and LCD back to back. Watch some sports, regular drama TV, have them throw on a blu-ray, gaming, whatever you see yourself doing a lot of. I think it will be clear what the 'styles' of display are and should not take you very long to decide which one you prefer. And if you don't prefer the VT30 have your head examined.  
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spasticColon posted:What's a good affordable HDTV in the 26"-32" range? I would use it primarily for gaming with some TV watching from about six feet away and I don't want to go over $400 if possible. I'm probably going to buy the Sharp LC-32D59U tomorrow, the reviews and features I found for it put it on top of my list ($330 at Futureshop). Second place goes to the Toshiba 32C110U ($300 at Walmart); I give the edge to the Sharp because the mediocre reviews on the Toshiba were regarding sound (apparently it's pretty quiet, a common complaint I think for TVs of this size), while the mediocre reviews on the Sharp were for features I won't use (wall mount issues) or won't miss (I'm unlikely to be hooking my TV up to a household network of any kind). It seems like everything in the 32" class is a poorer version of a "primary use" TV in the 40" or 42" class - these 32" TVs are usually missing features that are standard across the board for the bigger sets, particularly regarding ways to connect other devices to the TV. To get into those 40" TVs I'd need to push my budget from $400 to about $500, which isn't a huge jump but I'm not seeing a benefit for my situation to a bigger TV. Obviously, your personal preferences and how you'll use a TV are going to be different from mine, so take this as simply me talking about my own opinions. Other TVs I looked at: Sony KDC32BX320 Philips 32PFL3506 LG 32LK330 Emerson LC320EM2 Dynex DX-32E150A11 Panasonic TC-L32C3 ExecuDork fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Oct 16, 2011 |
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Just got my Panasonic gt30 from amazon today. So far the picture is awesome. Lightyears better than the LG 47LW5600. The set is not as bright, but in every other way its better. There is zero lag which makes me very happy. My set was made in April 2011, so it likely has the fluctuating brightness problem, but so far I have not noticed it at all. If anybody is worried about it, Panasonic will come out and replace the A-board and that will fix it. The only downside is the stupid shipping company refused to pick up the LG like they were susposed too. Now I am going to have to re-call amazon and get the LG returned. Amazon is awesome, but the large shipping companies they use for TV's are small time outfits ran by morons.
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ExecuDork posted:I'm looking for something very similar to what you're talking about. I spent about an hour today staring at the displays at my local Futureshop and Walmart, then I tried to find reviews and technical details for the TVs I saw. Everything I looked at was 32" LCD-HDTV, except the Dynex DX-32E150A11 which is LED-LCD. There's a really nice 32" Samsung LED HDTV at my local Wal-Mart for $400 and since I work there I can use my discount card but its only 720p. They sell that LG 32LK330 as well but they don't have a running display so I can't see what the picture looks like. Or should I try to save some money and get a Vizio 32" LED that's 1080p or is that a bad idea?
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Honestly this is a lazy post but I'd love some initial recommendations, or at least category of recommendations, for a new set in the $1000-1250 range. I've been using an Olevia 37" that was $740 shipped in 2007, so it's time for an upgrade. Desires: - 42" smallest, maybe 47" biggest - I don't have a huge living room atm - 1080p - highest quality picture quality in the price/size range - decent, but not ridiculous, number of inputs - my receiver can handle switching - built in netflix and amazon prime streaming (netflix definitely, prime would be nice) - plays MKVs (is this even a thing any set does?) - tuner would be nice but not required - whatever is required to be able to turn off the thing that makes film look like video - thinner isn't really a big deal - 3D isn't required, especially if it adds on cost that I could put into better picture quality. Fun bonus, though, I guess. Sets I'm looking at: Samsung UN46D6500 LG Infinia 47LW5600 Sony KDL-55EX720 (if I want to go 55" baller or something)
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Capnbigboobies posted:There is zero lag which makes me very happy. Yeah, this is why I hope plasmas never go out of style (or AMOLED comes down in price, which ain't gonna happen any time soon). Was I correct in that retro gaming looks a million times better on it than the LCD/LED? Chumbawumba4ever97 fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Oct 16, 2011 |
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spasticColon posted:There's a really nice 32" Samsung LED HDTV at my local Wal-Mart for $400 and since I work there I can use my discount card but its only 720p. They sell that LG 32LK330 as well but they don't have a running display so I can't see what the picture looks like. Or should I try to save some money and get a Vizio 32" LED that's 1080p or is that a bad idea? I'm coming from a Memorex 22" CRT so pretty much everything looks absolutely amazing to me. I couldn't see anything wrong with the LG LK330, I'll have another look at it, for some reason I downgraded it in my head but I didn't write down why - possibly I read a review complaining about the remote or something. There were a couple of Sammys at the shops yesterday, but finding information on them on-line was basically impossible. I normally look to Samsung first for electronics, they've treated me well so far, but the display set that was actually running at Walmart was inexplicably more expensive than the other sets around it ($400 vs. ~$300) and the one at Futureshop was poorly labelled (couldn't figure out the product number) and looked fuzzy. Everybody seems to love the Vizio TVs.
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I've heard rumours that LED TVs, being thinner, simply don't have space for decent speakers so usually have pretty lovely sound. Is this accurate? Also, is input lag a real problem for gaming, or is it one of those things that's overblown by the people who sperge about their K/D ratios on COD?
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Otik posted:I've heard rumours that LED TVs, being thinner, simply don't have space for decent speakers so usually have pretty lovely sound. Is this accurate? Most TVs have "game mode". There is still some slight lag. Might mess up something like Guitar Hero since that's so precise, but I really think you'll be fine playing anything else.
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I know nothing about Tvs, I'm currently in the market for one and Im ready to drop around 700$ on it (plus tax), I`d like something in the 40 inch (or greater) size and would be used for movies and mostly games (PS3 and Xbox360). What is the contender for best tv that would fit this criteria?
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Odddzy posted:I know nothing about Tvs, I'm currently in the market for one and Im ready to drop around 700$ on it (plus tax), I`d like something in the 40 inch (or greater) size and would be used for movies and mostly games (PS3 and Xbox360). What is the contender for best tv that would fit this criteria? I was very happy with my 40" Samsung LCD LN40C630. Had it for about a year until it got stolen two weeks ago. I'm still debating what to replace it with but the current incarnation of the set that I had is just the D version of the same model - LN40D630.
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Hamburglar posted:Yeah, this is why I hope plasmas never go out of style (or AMOLED comes down in price, which ain't gonna happen any time soon). I have not had a chance to try out my snes/nes/tg16/etc yet. I am too lazy to get behind the tv and hook one up yet. About lag. I am not a "pro gamer" at all. I almost never play my 360 online and I really don't care about K/D ratios, but I did notice lag on the LG LCD I bought and returned. I have been playing games since 2004 on a HD crt so I was able to notice it. Turning on game mode pretty much got rid of all lag I could notice though. The downside to game mode on some sets is that image quality suffers. All the fancy filters and local dimming was turned off on the 47LW5600 and I bet that happens on other models as well. What really sucks is the lag varies so much between models and companies and is never formally listed anywhere. Thankfully unless you are really sensitive, most people will not notice any lag on most tv's game modes. It is one of those issues on most tv's you will have to go looking for to notice.
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Otik posted:Also, is input lag a real problem for gaming, or is it one of those things that's overblown by the people who sperge about their K/D ratios on COD? A lot of it is spergin' but I can vouch that my cousin could not play Guitar Hero on an LCD and kicked rear end when using a plasma. For reference, my upscaler has a "Game mode" and if I turn it off, Super Mario Bros 1 is actually unplayable. I never turned "Game mode" on my actual TV, though.
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Capnbigboobies posted:I have not had a chance to try out my snes/nes/tg16/etc yet. I am too lazy to get behind the tv and hook one up yet. On my 55lw5600 there is lag on normal mode, noticeable but not unplayable. When turned off there is no noticeable lag anymore. I don't have the quality problem Capnbigboobies describes though. While the picture did change, I didn't really see a major quality decrease, just not quite as ideal as the picture I set for movies/TV. Not really a big deal. My game inputs use game mode, my other inputs use my custom mode. When I watch DVDs on my PS3, its really easy to switch to my custom mode.
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Since I watch a lot of streaming netflix content, I'm concerned about reading things like this in reviews: "Essentially the 120Hz judder reduction feature is not adjustable in the D6000. The ensuing picture from the D6000 has a soap opera effect without the depth created by natural background blur." Found on a review for the Samsung UN46D6000: http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-un46d6000.html With all this judder reduction/120-240hz stuff out there, I'm pretty nervous about getting a set that will make my netflix or SDTV viewing look like video. How can I be sure a set won't have these issues?
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