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-B l a z e i n g-
May 11, 2010
Just got a Toshiba 40E210U 40" and it was fine while gaming for hours.. then I turned it back on after a break and the picture was all hosed up and flickering, regardless if theres a source connected or not. I just see like 20 lines of "HDMI 1" scanning up and down. Wtf?

edit I just spammed the menu options without even being able to make anything out and the picture came back. Is there a certain setting that messes something up? Was it because my 360 was set to full depth HDMI or whatever? Really weird

-B l a z e i n g- fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Feb 20, 2012

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r.y.f.s.o.
Mar 1, 2003
classically trained
I'm cheap and looking at the Vizio E371VA

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1875200&CatId=3649

120hz interests me, but this review:

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Vizio-M320VT-LED-LCD-HDTV-Review/Motion.htm

says that 3:2 pulldown performance was lackluster, which confuses me a bit since 120hz are supposed to avoid the whole 3:2 pulldown problem altogether I thought?

Can anyone shed some light on this for me?

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

hand of luke posted:

I should mention that although most of the watching will be done in the evening/night, the TV will be in a somewhat bright room, if that affects the recommendation any.

I have a 55" ST30. I live in Florida (no clouds, bright annoying sun every day) and there's a huge window across from the tv. On mid brightness and mid panel backlight it's fine on a really sunny day. It can be extremely bright if you need it to.

mega dy
Dec 6, 2003

r.y.f.s.o. posted:

I'm cheap and looking at the Vizio E371VA

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1875200&CatId=3649

120hz interests me, but this review:

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Vizio-M320VT-LED-LCD-HDTV-Review/Motion.htm

says that 3:2 pulldown performance was lackluster, which confuses me a bit since 120hz are supposed to avoid the whole 3:2 pulldown problem altogether I thought?

Can anyone shed some light on this for me?
As a 120Hz LCD owner, I recommend you get a plasma. A friend of mine has a 50in ST30 that cost a little over half of what I paid for my 40in 120Hz LCD and it absolutely blows my TV out of the water in pretty much every aspect. I hate him.

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

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r.y.f.s.o. posted:

I'm cheap and looking at the Vizio E371VA

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1875200&CatId=3649

120hz interests me, but this review:

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Vizio-M320VT-LED-LCD-HDTV-Review/Motion.htm

says that 3:2 pulldown performance was lackluster, which confuses me a bit since 120hz are supposed to avoid the whole 3:2 pulldown problem altogether I thought?

Can anyone shed some light on this for me?

I got that unit for my parents and I wish I had gotten them the E370VA instead, without the 120Hz feature. Read my posts about it starting here. There's no way to completely disable the effect, so it makes a lot of things look bad.

r.y.f.s.o.
Mar 1, 2003
classically trained
Word, that looks like good info.

I don't know if I can find a 1080p plasma in my size / price range so I am thinking of going with the LED backlit 32" Vizio on TD for 330.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1728220&CatId=5988

I live in a real small pad, viewing distance is going to be minimal and space is lacking, so 32 should be fine I think.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.
Fun Shoe
What's your total budget? I would stretch it a bit to get at least a 40" unless you're literally sitting 5 feet from the TV. A lot of people tend to have buyer regret with 32" and smaller TVs unless its for a bedroom or dorm. If you can only spend $400-500 then theres no way you can get a decent 1080p plasma but at least you could up the size a bit for something you will hang onto for awhile.

Dance McPants
Mar 10, 2006

I'm looking for something around 40" in the $500-$600 range. Right now I'm leaning towards this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004OOS35C/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

My plan was to get a seperate sound system and a ps3 that I'll use for netflix so I won't need any ethernet or wireless. I've been keeping an eye on amazon and newegg for a few weeks now but nothing is really popping out at me. The LG has good reviews and I'm just about ready to buy it but I just want another opinion.

r.y.f.s.o.
Mar 1, 2003
classically trained

The Gunslinger posted:

What's your total budget? I would stretch it a bit to get at least a 40" unless you're literally sitting 5 feet from the TV. A lot of people tend to have buyer regret with 32" and smaller TVs unless its for a bedroom or dorm. If you can only spend $400-500 then theres no way you can get a decent 1080p plasma but at least you could up the size a bit for something you will hang onto for awhile.

4 to 500 is right. My viewing distance is like 6 feet. I don't plan on making the TV a centerpiece or focus of the room, we don't watch much TV except for the odd episode of whatever after work and dinner and stuff. Video games (wii mostly) will be played probably.

Up until this point we've been TV-less altogether, just putting a 15" laptop on a table and putting it in front of the couch. Anything is going to be an upgrade really.

I'm leaning towards an LED-lit 60hz 1080p unit, 37 to 42 maybe. 32 does maybe seem a bit small.

mykow
Jul 26, 2004
I kick ass

Aggro Craig posted:

I'm looking for something around 40" in the $500-$600 range. Right now I'm leaning towards this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004OOS35C/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

My plan was to get a seperate sound system and a ps3 that I'll use for netflix so I won't need any ethernet or wireless. I've been keeping an eye on amazon and newegg for a few weeks now but nothing is really popping out at me. The LG has good reviews and I'm just about ready to buy it but I just want another opinion.
also look at the 42LV4400 if you're looking at that, it's LED-lit and a bit less expensive. I just got one and I was in the same price/size range. It's a great picture (black levels are not really better than a regular lcd but it's super thin and low power, I like it).

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005JK01GO/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1328839167&sr=8-1

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.
Fun Shoe

r.y.f.s.o. posted:

4 to 500 is right. My viewing distance is like 6 feet. I don't plan on making the TV a centerpiece or focus of the room, we don't watch much TV except for the odd episode of whatever after work and dinner and stuff. Video games (wii mostly) will be played probably.

Up until this point we've been TV-less altogether, just putting a 15" laptop on a table and putting it in front of the couch. Anything is going to be an upgrade really.

I'm leaning towards an LED-lit 60hz 1080p unit, 37 to 42 maybe. 32 does maybe seem a bit small.

Cool. My advice would be to always go bigger than you think you need even if it means saving another month or whatever. For $500ish you can probably just grab any number of 40-42" LED/LCD models from LG and Samsung on sale.

Dance McPants
Mar 10, 2006

mykow posted:

also look at the 42LV4400 if you're looking at that, it's LED-lit and a bit less expensive. I just got one and I was in the same price/size range. It's a great picture (black levels are not really better than a regular lcd but it's super thin and low power, I like it).

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005JK01GO/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1328839167&sr=8-1

Thanks! Looks nice, just ordered it.

Lakedaimon
Jan 11, 2007

Welp I think its time to put down my venerable 60" Sony LCD Projection. Picture starting to turn blue-ish and this is with a relatively new replacement bulb.

Im thinking about going bigger, maybe one of those Mitsubishi 73" DLPs, but the reviews on them seem kinda mixed. I would like to get something at least 65" or bigger without spending more than about 2k, but the cheaper the better.

wandler20
Nov 13, 2002

How many Championships?

Lakedaimon posted:

Welp I think its time to put down my venerable 60" Sony LCD Projection. Picture starting to turn blue-ish and this is with a relatively new replacement bulb.

Im thinking about going bigger, maybe one of those Mitsubishi 73" DLPs, but the reviews on them seem kinda mixed. I would like to get something at least 65" or bigger without spending more than about 2k, but the cheaper the better.

I know the Sharp 70" was around $1,799 for the Super Bowl sale. I'd imagine you could probably find one of those in your budget.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sharp+-+AQUOS+/+70%26%2334%3B+Class+/+LED+/+1080p+/+120Hz+/+HDTV/3641514.p?id=1218422892684&skuId=3641514

Lakedaimon
Jan 11, 2007

wandler20 posted:

I know the Sharp 70" was around $1,799 for the Super Bowl sale. I'd imagine you could probably find one of those in your budget.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sharp+-+AQUOS+/+70%26%2334%3B+Class+/+LED+/+1080p+/+120Hz+/+HDTV/3641514.p?id=1218422892684&skuId=3641514

That dosent sound too bad, and supposedly LED sets are pretty nice right? Probably better than DLP anyways.

r.y.f.s.o.
Mar 1, 2003
classically trained
Was out running errands last night and found this at Best Buy for $360 + tax:

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/LG-37LK450-LCD-HDTV-Review.htm

LG 37LK450, it lacks the features i was originally looking at but makes up for it by having a really nice picture. Black levels are not the greatest as the review says but I only notice when I try, the rest of the time I'm too busy being happy with everything else.

It's on clearance at Best Buy and around the web it seems, I had to ask the manager to match another stores price since they hadn't themselves lowered it yet. They did it without any drama though. If you're looking for a 37 with a nice picture under 400bux + tax it's not a bad deal I think.

I don't have a proper 1080p source yet but it's making anything i give it look really good anyway. Thanks for the advice, it definitely helped make my decision easier.

r.y.f.s.o. fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Feb 25, 2012

no broccoli please
Apr 20, 2007

no broccoli please you are nice here is a Nathaniel Hawthorne avatar
Well. Bought a 47" LG LED just before Christmas, the 47LV4400, and it's crapped out.
Won't turn on at all, and now there are a bunch of reviews on Bestbuy.com and Futureshop.ca with people who are having the same problem.
I read lots of reviews before I bought it, but since January a lot of people are having theirs break down on them. My wife talked to LG Customer Service and they're supposed to have someone come here on Wednesday, so we'll see how that goes, but just a heads up if anyone here's looking at that particular TV.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.
Fun Shoe
Wow you weren't kidding, I just had a look and there are a lot of people with that same problem. Where are you in Canada? I know a few good repair companies in the GTA/Niagara if LG fucks you around on the warranty.

no broccoli please
Apr 20, 2007

no broccoli please you are nice here is a Nathaniel Hawthorne avatar
Vancouver Island, so a little far away. We should be fine for the warranty, as it's only been 2 months, and it hasn't been abused in any way. I'm just concerned that it might happen again, and the warranty won't be valid or something. Damned. For now I guess it's Assassin's Creed on a 19" CRT. Or I can just read a book.

adorai
Nov 2, 2002

10/27/04 Never forget
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I'm a little late on the reply but I wanted to chime in that I love my Panasonic Viera Plasma. I bought a 50" model last february, and for the price, I could never have gotten a better picture from an LCD (or LED). I even use it play tons of video games, and haven't had much of a burn in problem. An hour of television clears any image retention (I put in about 100 hours of skyrim in 1 month and have no retention or burn in now). I bought my dad a 120hz 1080P Samsung LCD for christmas and regret it, it doesn't look nearly as good as my plasma. The only thing that I do not like about my plasma is bright daylight viewing, which I rarely do anyway, but it does suffer greatly from sunlight glare.

ZetsurinPower
Dec 14, 2003

I looooove leftovers!
Panasonic VIERA TC-P46S30 46-Inch 1080p 600 Hz Plasma HDTV
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004M8SBGG/

Finally pulled the trigger on this last week, it was $750 w free shippping (non-3D because who gives a gently caress). Couldn't be happier with it, the picture is great. Panasonic Plasma is the way to go for sure! Thanks for the info in this thread. Now I guess I'll have to head over to the home audio thread...

Zenzirouj
Jun 10, 2004

What about you, thread?
You got any tricks?

mykow posted:

also look at the 42LV4400 if you're looking at that, it's LED-lit and a bit less expensive. I just got one and I was in the same price/size range. It's a great picture (black levels are not really better than a regular lcd but it's super thin and low power, I like it).

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005JK01GO/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1328839167&sr=8-1

How has this TV worked out for you guys? The reviews are pretty heavily mixed and seem to disagree on the level of customizability as far as picture adjustment goes. I'm in a similar situation as a lot of you and am looking for a ~40" for ~$500, but I don't know if I only have that price range in mind because horribly lovely TVs are getting dumped by stores and skewing my search results. I'm not gonna be watching tons of movies or HDTV or anything, mostly just game consoles and whatever shows I stream through my laptop. That's my main concern, actually: I'll probably have it hooked up to my laptop most of the time but I don't know if that means I need to be looking for something specific.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Was pretty set on getting a Panasonic Viera, but this UN55D8000 I saw mentioned a few pages back looks amazing. No bezel at all makes a huuuuge difference :swoon: More expensive, but ehh. I'm on the fence. Also, looks like the Viera models (at least for now) strictly have a new 3D model. The non-3D one that I was eyeballing is out of stock on Amazon and redirects to the new 3D one.

~50-55" TV. I need to stop kicking the can on this hnnnnghhhh

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

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Groupon Goods has a special today: 60" 3D LG plasma for $1299:

http://www.groupon.com/ch/goods/deals/gg-plasma-tv?c=all?p=15

RaspberrySea
Nov 29, 2004

ZetsurinPower posted:

Panasonic VIERA TC-P46S30 46-Inch 1080p 600 Hz Plasma HDTV
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004M8SBGG/

Finally pulled the trigger on this last week, it was $750 w free shippping (non-3D because who gives a gently caress). Couldn't be happier with it, the picture is great. Panasonic Plasma is the way to go for sure! Thanks for the info in this thread. Now I guess I'll have to head over to the home audio thread...

Awesome, I just picked up the same TV in a bigger size and it's getting delivered to me on Friday. Now I'm even more excited!

mykow
Jul 26, 2004
I kick ass

Zenzirouj posted:

How has this TV worked out for you guys? The reviews are pretty heavily mixed and seem to disagree on the level of customizability as far as picture adjustment goes. I'm in a similar situation as a lot of you and am looking for a ~40" for ~$500, but I don't know if I only have that price range in mind because horribly lovely TVs are getting dumped by stores and skewing my search results. I'm not gonna be watching tons of movies or HDTV or anything, mostly just game consoles and whatever shows I stream through my laptop. That's my main concern, actually: I'll probably have it hooked up to my laptop most of the time but I don't know if that means I need to be looking for something specific.
It's good, like I said, the black levels are completely unimpressive for an "LED" tv. On a fully black screen you can see some variation across the screen that is a bit brighter where the lamps are installed. I think they just took a regular LCD panel and put a thin LED light behind it with very limited brightness adjustment that doesn't scale with displayed picture brightness (like the nicer LED TVs do) and called it good. Result? it's thinner and lower power than an LCD, but not really a better picture. It has a matte finish to the screen which was a big deal to me (but this is pretty standard nowadays).

Most of the crap amazon reviews are to do with the apparently lovely sound- I'm not really a sound guy and I got a soundbar for it anyway, so whatever. It has optical audio out which gives you good options for sound like the vizio vsb200 ($70 shipped refurb from tigerdirect on ebay).

Another class of reviews are to do with the tv dying, mine hasn't died yet, if it does hopefully it's in the first year while it's under warranty.

As far as picture adjustment, it's limited. You DO get "just scan" which means 1:1 pixel mapping, which is important for really everything nowadays. The new one I got from amazon does display a 1920x1080 VGA/DVI signal edge to edge when on the 16:9 setting (I had a refurb before this that failed to do that, I returned it). First off I turned off engergy saving which put the LED to max. Aside from that you get to adjust the brightness, contrast, color, tint, color temperature (cool/med/warm), and gamma (low/med/high). A bunch of the advanced adjustment things are grayed out, for example "sharpness" whatever that is. Maybe LG's more advanced TVs let you adjust the sharpness of a 1:1 pixel representation digital signal? I don't even know what that would do, I think it's silly, but it's grayed out and you can't play with it. I have a calibration DVD that I can use and report back if you're curious, but it looks fine and I'm happy with it as-is. Overall? I wanted a low power high refresh rate TV I could hook to my xbmc apple tv and computer, and it does that pretty well.

HeyMrDeadMan
Mar 10, 2007

is a swell guy
I'm looking to get a new set for an RV, and in this case the single most important spec for me is width. I absolutely cannot have a cabinet wider than 40".

I have found this Westinghouse at Best Buy, but reviews seem to be kind of mediocre.

Any other recommendations based on the above? Budget is ~$450-$500

no broccoli please
Apr 20, 2007

no broccoli please you are nice here is a Nathaniel Hawthorne avatar

Roots Radical posted:

Well. Bought a 47" LG LED just before Christmas, the 47LV4400, and it's crapped out.
Won't turn on at all, and now there are a bunch of reviews on Bestbuy.com and Futureshop.ca with people who are having the same problem.
I read lots of reviews before I bought it, but since January a lot of people are having theirs break down on them. My wife talked to LG Customer Service and they're supposed to have someone come here on Wednesday, so we'll see how that goes, but just a heads up if anyone here's looking at that particular TV.

LG is the loving worst.

It's Wednesday, the repair company hadn't gotten a hold of us, so we called them. Turns out LG never requested a repair for us, so the repair people didn't come today, and now we're still stuck with this loving TV. I'll see if we can return it to Future Shop, but who knows at this point. Call me naive, but they wouldn't just take our $700 and tell us we're poo poo out of luck, right? Don't buy this TV. Just don't.

wandler20
Nov 13, 2002

How many Championships?

Geop posted:

Was pretty set on getting a Panasonic Viera, but this UN55D8000 I saw mentioned a few pages back looks amazing. No bezel at all makes a huuuuge difference :swoon: More expensive, but ehh. I'm on the fence. Also, looks like the Viera models (at least for now) strictly have a new 3D model. The non-3D one that I was eyeballing is out of stock on Amazon and redirects to the new 3D one.

~50-55" TV. I need to stop kicking the can on this hnnnnghhhh

I just bought the 7000 model last night. It's a pretty impressive set. The blacks still aren't up to the Panasonic Plasma but I can get away with it because it's in my living room, which is a pretty bright room. The picture is great and the slim bezel is a nice touch.




With that said, I would seriously consider the 2012 Panasonic models that are starting to show up:

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P55ST50-55-Inch-Plasma/dp/B00752VKSC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1330612352&sr=8-2

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Is there a noteworthy difference between the Viera 2011 and 2012 versions? The 2011 3D 55" TV is nearly $500 less, so I'm curious :v:

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.
Fun Shoe
The 2012's have a better bezel design and improved glare filters for bright rooms. I'm not sure about the other stuff. I ended up a with a 2011 ST30 and couldn't be happier, people warned me the bezel was thick and ugly but its perfectly fine. Hell it's thinner than the LCD it replaced. I use mine in a moderately lit room and it's fine unless the sun is reflected right onto the screen and even matte finishes would have problems there.

The 2011 stock is being bled off quickly so if you can get a good deal I'd go for it. Just keep in mind that anything manufactured before May 2011 might need the FBR firmware fix. It's pretty painless, Panasonic sends a dude out to do it and it takes all of 5 minutes.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Hmm. I'd definitely take the dive on a more expensive set for improved glare filters. That's my chief concern. I don't have a window shining RIGHT ON my TV, but it's a bright room. Thanks for the heads-up!

wandler20
Nov 13, 2002

How many Championships?

Geop posted:

Hmm. I'd definitely take the dive on a more expensive set for improved glare filters. That's my chief concern. I don't have a window shining RIGHT ON my TV, but it's a bright room. Thanks for the heads-up!

On top all that the black levels are also supposed to be improved which is pretty amazing.

Panasonic posted:

Infinite Black Pro Panel
The ST50 series feature self-illuminating panels with ultimate black levels. Enhancements to the panel and cells help reproduce images with smooth, natural gradation and deep, rich blacks - even when viewed in bright surroundings. In movies, the true, deep blacks faithfully convey the intent of the filmmakers, adding power and realism to the viewing experience.

Mr.Showtime
Oct 22, 2006
I'm not going to say that
whoops wrong thread

nrr
Jan 2, 2007

Roots Radical posted:

LG is the loving worst.

It's Wednesday, the repair company hadn't gotten a hold of us, so we called them. Turns out LG never requested a repair for us, so the repair people didn't come today, and now we're still stuck with this loving TV. I'll see if we can return it to Future Shop, but who knows at this point. Call me naive, but they wouldn't just take our $700 and tell us we're poo poo out of luck, right? Don't buy this TV. Just don't.

You didn't happen to get a futureshop waranty with it did you? I bought a 47LV5400 about 6 months ago from the Futureshop at Park Royal in Vancouver and talked the guy into giving me a cheap 3 year waranty for $50 - but I was pretty sure it came with a 1 year futureshop waranty anyway. Basically, he said if anything goes wrong, call Futureshop and don't even bother with LG and trying to cash in on their waranty. FS will send someone to your house to check it out and either fix whatever is wrong, or if it's going to be too expensive to fix, he said they'd just give you another TV of your choosing thats going for whatever price you originally paid. I'm almost hoping mine dies on me in a year or two, cos with the way technology works, I'll be able to get a way better set for that price by then.

But you should really give Futureshop a call and see if you have any options available there before you let LG hamfist their way through dealing with it.

no broccoli please
Apr 20, 2007

no broccoli please you are nice here is a Nathaniel Hawthorne avatar
I didn't. I figure the one year manufacturer warranty would do the trick, so that's what I'm using. Called back today and now it'll be Monday when the repair folks come, but they should have the part they need on that day, so hopefully all goes well. Fingers crossed.

Zenzirouj
Jun 10, 2004

What about you, thread?
You got any tricks?
Is there a particular store (online or brick) that's particularly good for buying from? Whether by generally having the best prices or selection or etc?

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.
Fun Shoe

Zenzirouj posted:

Is there a particular store (online or brick) that's particularly good for buying from? Whether by generally having the best prices or selection or etc?

It depends on where you are. Amazon in the US is pretty good but for very large TVs the delivery service can be hit and miss since its subcontracted out to whoever you have available locally. If you're in Canada it's a whole different ballpark and you have to shop around a lot, I prefer local shops.

MrGunner
Apr 9, 2004

dream the dream of your attrition
So I want to buy a tv in the ~50" range for playing fighting games on my ps3 and I saw that Best Buy here in Vancouver has the Viera 720p's on for about $600 and was wondering if that was a good idea. I'm not really worried about glare at all and it seems like a good fit for me but I'm not sure if there are better options for me in the size and price range.

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Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Well, the Panasonic Vieras as a whole have pretty top-notch ratings. Modern video games don't benefit from 1080p, honestly, so 720p would be dandy. I'd be inclined to snag it, if it's geared toward gaming :v:

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