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phoboselement
Mar 19, 2003
I should have put something here.

Flyboy925 posted:

As for size, at 10' your going to want about a 40-47" TV. Its roughly a 2(2.5):1, on distance to size. So you looking at about 4' of tv. I had a 47" in my old apartment that i was watching at about 7'. looked great. In the new apartment I'm about 10-12' away, but havent set it up yet. As for olevia/vizio, they're both lower end screens, but if your using an old busted TV right now, they're still going to look awesome. If your using a decent TV now, itll still look better, but not like a Sony XBR, or similar. I went from a busted old 20" CRT to my Toshiba 47", adn it looked absolutely amazing. Depends on what your coming from.

But for the price, you cant beat a Vizio/Olevia. If your looking at a 32" Samsung/Phillips, etc, or a 42-47" vizio, I say go with the Vizio. Your going to appreciate the larger size, adn decent picture, better than a too small tv that looks better.


What price range are you looking to stay within, and do you have a costco/sams club in your area? TV's are generally $400-700 cheaper there on some models.
Thanks for the information. I didn't realize I could go that large. I'm not really sure on a price right now, it all really depends. If there's enough of a convincing argument to go with a 37" vs. a 42" then I'm certainly open to listening to it to justify going to a 42". I'd love to go that high but it may come down to price. I'm also not opposed to a refurbished unit either. Yes, I do have a Costco in my area and yes I am a member.

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Fear and Loathing
Mar 27, 2006
Buy the ticket, take the ride
I work at Sears and just picked up a used (2 days old) 42" Vizio Gallevia for $900 and I'm having second thoughts. I hooked my 360 up to it and it's just not what I thought it would be. I just assumed the picture would be a lot more crisp than it is. I don't know if I just have high expectations or maybe just a lovely TV but I'll probably return it and pick up something else.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

Fear and Loathing posted:

I work at Sears and just picked up a used (2 days old) 42" Vizio Gallevia for $900 and I'm having second thoughts. I hooked my 360 up to it and it's just not what I thought it would be. I just assumed the picture would be a lot more crisp than it is. I don't know if I just have high expectations or maybe just a lovely TV but I'll probably return it and pick up something else.
have you set up your xbox360 to output the native resolution of your set?

Atarian
Aug 10, 2005

This ant...
Clever Betty
I got a 40" Bravia last week and I have spent all week trying to get it to display a nice clean picture. Everything always looks grainy. HDTV looks ok sometimes, but most of the time it is a grainy mess. Even Blu-ray discs are very grainy.I have tried all the TV modes, like standard, cinema, etc, but nothing shows a great improvement. If I use the TVs noise reduction filter, It clears up the graininess, but that just smooths everything over and introduces a lot of motion blur. Can anyone recommend some settings or give me some tips? I tried using photoshop to describe my problem, but it gets much more severe than my example shows.



I was expecting a 1080p blu-ray disc to be crystal clear with a crisp clean picture, but every disc I try is grainy, I just don't get it.

MidasAg
Oct 28, 2007
The Man of Silver
To phoboselement: go to the costco and go through there TV section. You can get soem decent TV's fro around $1300 or so. If you can go a little higher than that, and dont mind a larger tv, look at their DLP line up. Awesome picture, usually about $1800 for a 62" with stand. A little big, but gives you an idea for price concerns and sizes. My parents just got a 52" for thire living room, and they sit abotu 13-15' away. Smaller than reccomended, but they like it, and it fits between the one wall and door pretty well. But go to the Costco and talk to the person in teh TV area. THey are usually pretty knowledgeable about what they sell, as they dont sell the entire store.

To Fear adn Loathing: how are you hooking up the X360 to the TV. Are you using HDMI, or Component. The HDMI will look alot better than Component. How is the TV on other HD content, like a HD TV signal? is it crisp, or not? could be the whole TV is borked, and Sears just wanted to sell it rather than deal with the hassle of returning it to the manufacturer. See if you can get a different HD source, adn compare it.

MidasAg
Oct 28, 2007
The Man of Silver

Atarian posted:

I got a 40" Bravia last week and I have spent all week trying to get it to display a nice clean picture. Everything always looks grainy. HDTV looks ok sometimes, but most of the time it is a grainy mess. Even Blu-ray discs are very grainy.I have tried all the TV modes, like standard, cinema, etc, but nothing shows a great improvement. If I use the TVs noise reduction filter, It clears up the graininess, but that just smooths everything over and introduces a lot of motion blur. Can anyone recommend some settings or give me some tips? I tried using photoshop to describe my problem, but it gets much more severe than my example shows.



I was expecting a 1080p blu-ray disc to be crystal clear with a crisp clean picture, but every disc I try is grainy, I just don't get it.

Try turning down teh sharpness. I had a slight graininess on some content, turned down my sharpness a hair, and it seems to have taken care of the problem.

fahrvergnugen
Nov 27, 2003

Intergalactic proton-powered electrical tentacled REFRIGERATOR OF DOOM.

Flyboy925 posted:

Try turning down teh sharpness. I had a slight graininess on some content, turned down my sharpness a hair, and it seems to have taken care of the problem.

This. Calibrate your set with a copy of DVE or Avia, you'll be a lot happier.

some bust on that guy
Jan 21, 2006

This avatar was paid for by the Silent Majority.

Super Ninja Fish posted:

I've decided that I'm going to get a 50" Plasma from Wal-Mart soon. Yeah, it has to be from Wal-Mart because I can get a 20% discount there for the month of December. The three available are a Phillips for $1,379 (which comes to $1,103 with the discount), a Visio for the same price, and a Sanyo for $100 less.

Can someone please look at the following specs for all three and tell me which would be a better deal? The only difference between the three seems to be the amount of brightness and contrast. How much of a difference if any does that make? Say a contrast ratio of 10000:1 to 15:000:1?

Also, which of the three is the better brand?

Since my local Wal-Mart doesn't have a Visio in stock, I'm leaning towards the Phillips.

There's something else that I'm wondering about, the speakers for the HDTVs. This may be a stupid question, but the Phillips has a row of speakers at the bottom of the TV that are about an inch in height, while the speakers for the Sanyo covers the whole bottom of that TV. Does this mean that the Sanyo would have a lot better sound or is it not that big of a deal?

big mean giraffe
Dec 13, 2003

Thank goodness I was just lightly deep fried
Lipstick Apathy

Super Ninja Fish posted:

There's something else that I'm wondering about, the speakers for the HDTVs. This may be a stupid question, but the Phillips has a row of speakers at the bottom of the TV that are about an inch in height, while the speakers for the Sanyo covers the whole bottom of that TV. Does this mean that the Sanyo would have a lot better sound or is it not that big of a deal?

The speakers are most likely all the same, usually 10wx2 or something, they're all going to suck rear end.

Fear and Loathing
Mar 27, 2006
Buy the ticket, take the ride

Don Lapre posted:

have you set up your xbox360 to output the native resolution of your set?

I actually just realized I had to do that after I posted, and also found some settings on CNET that work pretty well. It's amazing how much difference a few menu options can make.

vanilla slimfast
Dec 6, 2006

If anyone needs me, I'll be in the Angry Dome



Just chiming in to say I bought a Samsung 40" 720p LCD set yesterday (model LNT4042H) and couldn't be happier :)

The best part is, hooking my HTPC up to it worked without a hitch (when I built it 6 months ago I made sure to make it HD-compatible). Now I just need a proper surround sound setup and I'll be good to go.

boo
Jun 12, 2002
So after striking out on Black Friday and with the Philips Outlet deal, I'm starting to get desperate for a television. Just noticed the Staples deal going on and my local Staples had about 5 of them, so before I pulled the trigger I was hoping to get feedback on this 'not so name brand' television.

It's an 42" Envision LCD Flat Panel (L42W761). I haven't found any reviews on it at all and just by looking at the specs, it looks like a decent 720p set. The specs can be found here:
http://www.envisiondisplay.com/products/specsheets/l42w761-specs.pdf

It's on sale right now for $799 and there is a 12% off coupon rolling around to bring the total after tax to around $750. Hopefully someone has seen this television in action.

Thoogsby
Nov 18, 2006

Very strong. Everyone likes me.

boo posted:

So after striking out on Black Friday and with the Philips Outlet deal, I'm starting to get desperate for a television. Just noticed the Staples deal going on and my local Staples had about 5 of them, so before I pulled the trigger I was hoping to get feedback on this 'not so name brand' television.

It's an 42" Envision LCD Flat Panel (L42W761). I haven't found any reviews on it at all and just by looking at the specs, it looks like a decent 720p set. The specs can be found here:
http://www.envisiondisplay.com/products/specsheets/l42w761-specs.pdf

It's on sale right now for $799 and there is a 12% off coupon rolling around to bring the total after tax to around $750. Hopefully someone has seen this television in action.

Usually if something is too good to be true, then it is. $800 seems way too low for a 42" LCD that will be anything close to reliable/worth the money.

comdgp
May 23, 2005
I was in my local Sam's club the other day and I spotted this HDTV. It is a Sony Bravia 52" model KDL52WL13, with a contrast ratio of 18000:1 and a 10-bit panel, 1080P res. But i cannot find any information when I googled it. This TV had the most amazing color I have ever seen on a tv. The price was a bit high at 2900. I was wondering if anyone has seen this tv. I am trying to find info about this HDTV.


LordOfThePants
Sep 25, 2002

comdgp posted:

I was in my local Sam's club the other day and I spotted this HDTV. It is a Sony Bravia 52" model KDL52WL13, with a contrast ratio of 18000:1 and a 10-bit panel, 1080P res. But i cannot find any information when I googled it. This TV had the most amazing color I have ever seen on a tv. The price was a bit high at 2900. I was wondering if anyone has seen this tv. I am trying to find info about this HDTV.

It's probably a store specific model number, which is why you can't find any info about it for that specific model number. It may be one of the TV's that Sony makes especially for WalMart - although I hadn't heard much about those ending up in Sam's Club.

zapateria
Feb 16, 2003
Newbie question:

I went to the electronics store today to look for a HDTV. I immediately went over to the biggest and baddest I saw and it was playing the Ice Age DVD. Now, I assume DVD should be a reasonably high quality source, but the image, while mostly clear had some major artifacts. This appeared mostly on the subtitles and on edges of moving things. It looked grainy and had a clear shadow. I've seen this on plenty other TV's too with supposedly good sources. What causes this and what do I need to look for in a TV to avoid it?

evilalien
Jul 29, 2005

Knowledge is born from Curiosity.

zapateria posted:

Newbie question:

I went to the electronics store today to look for a HDTV. I immediately went over to the biggest and baddest I saw and it was playing the Ice Age DVD. Now, I assume DVD should be a reasonably high quality source, but the image, while mostly clear had some major artifacts. This appeared mostly on the subtitles and on edges of moving things. It looked grainy and had a clear shadow. I've seen this on plenty other TV's too with supposedly good sources. What causes this and what do I need to look for in a TV to avoid it?

On a HDTV, you are going to notice the compression artifacts on DVD's a lot more than on a SDTV. DVD's aren't really as high quality as you think and HDTV's make this visible. It is very strange that you were noticing artifacting around the subtitles though as those are not encoded as part of the video on DVD's. It sounds like the sharpness setting on the TV was too high. Turning that down would probably make the DVD look a heck of a lot better to you.

benedict arnold
Jul 8, 2003
I'm trying to find a decent HDMI cable for less than one thousand dollars, but I'm confused. I went to monoprice.com and they have tons of cables listed, ranging from $3 to $50+. What should I be looking for? All I need is a simple HDMI cable to connect my HD-DVD player to my television, just a foot would do. Could anyone help me out?

completely deck
Jun 6, 2004

by Fragmaster

benedict arnold posted:

I'm trying to find a decent HDMI cable for less than one thousand dollars, but I'm confused. I went to monoprice.com and they have tons of cables listed, ranging from $3 to $50+. What should I be looking for? All I need is a simple HDMI cable to connect my HD-DVD player to my television, just a foot would do. Could anyone help me out?

As it has been said recently, anything that will reach, male to male.

Update
I'm fixing to drop $1,500 on the Panasonic TH-50PX77U. For this price range ($1,500 and below), is this the best bang for the buck?

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

benedict arnold posted:

I'm trying to find a decent HDMI cable for less than one thousand dollars, but I'm confused. I went to monoprice.com and they have tons of cables listed, ranging from $3 to $50+. What should I be looking for? All I need is a simple HDMI cable to connect my HD-DVD player to my television, just a foot would do. Could anyone help me out?

If you dont mind ordering online, just get the cheapeast one you can find off monoprice, if you want something locally, ive gotten a cheap one at biglots before, or the apple store sells 6ft cables for $20

hannibal
Jul 27, 2001

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http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-HPT5054-50-Plasma-HDTV/dp/B000NEKORW

Ordered this today after much research, this thread helped a lot. I got an OTA HDTV antenna and a capture card as well, I'm going to turn a spare Shuttle PC into a DVR (probably with mythtv, we'll see how it goes)

LordOfThePants
Sep 25, 2002

completely deck posted:

As it has been said recently, anything that will reach, male to male.

Update
I'm fixing to drop $1,500 on the Panasonic TH-50PX77U. For this price range ($1,500 and below), is this the best bang for the buck?

Yes, buy it. I have the 42 inch version and it's glorious.

I would have went with the 50 inch if I had room for it, but my living room just isn't that big.

kylej
Jul 5, 2004

Grimey Drawer
My Panasonic TH-42PZ77U arrived today. I'm in love.

Thoogsby
Nov 18, 2006

Very strong. Everyone likes me.

kylej posted:

My Panasonic TH-42PZ77U arrived today. I'm in love.

There is a no love like new TV love.

Jayzer
Dec 16, 2003
I own this TV:



GEM 56 Inch DLP RPTV(GDT-56DRP)

The lamp (UHP 100W AC Lamp) went out last night (according to the error code). Based on the sound it made when it went out, I think I agree with the error.

Is there a retail outlet that would sell a lamp for this TV? I called Fry's and the guy there told me that they only sell lamps for Mitsubishi TVs and that I have to order directly from the manufacturer. Is that the only way? I would like to go purchase one tonight, but I get the feeling that won't be possible.

edit: Just got a look at the lamp. On the bulb itself, it says UHP 100W 1.3, and under that, PHILIPS E23.

edit2: Ordered the bulb from Discount Merchant. Is that a reputable vendor?

Jayzer fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Dec 5, 2007

completely deck
Jun 6, 2004

by Fragmaster

LordOfThePants posted:

Yes, buy it. I have the 42 inch version and it's glorious.

I would have went with the 50 inch if I had room for it, but my living room just isn't that big.

That's what I was thinking, thanks.

Chief Rebel Angel
Apr 10, 2003

by Fragmaster
Is there a free guide to calibrating an HDTV? I didn't even know calibration existed until a couple days ago and now I'm curious, but I don't want to spend $50 on Avia if I'm probably only going to use it once.

Is there maybe a "pass around a copy of Avia from goon to goon" sort of thing going on anywhere?

Also if it matters I have a 60" Sony KDS-60A2000 DLP/Projection TV.

fahrvergnugen
Nov 27, 2003

Intergalactic proton-powered electrical tentacled REFRIGERATOR OF DOOM.
The poor man's set calibration is a THX DVD, such as the Star Wars DVDs or Terminator 2. There's a THX logo on the main menus that will bring up audio & video test patterns so you can level things out.

The real way to do it is either with Avia or Digital Video Essentials (the latter available in SD and HD formats). You can rent both from Netflix, and some video stores will have them. If you're calibrating a sound system you may also want a decibel meter (sound pressure meter) from Radio Shack. It'll set you back 30 bucks, but they're pretty nifty tools to have around the house, come in handy way more often than you'd think (dishwasher shopping, for instance).

Calibrate your A2000, it'll make a big difference in overall picture quality.

Hanpan
Dec 5, 2004

My girlfriend has offered to buy me a new TV for Christmas, and I am really excited. Problem is, I have absolutely no which one to buy. I've done a bit of researching and browsing, and came across two sets which I think are pretty good. Could you please tell me which of these two is better?

http://www.currys.co.uk/martprd/sto...7&category_oid=
http://www.currys.co.uk/martprd/sto...4&category_oid=

Thoogsby
Nov 18, 2006

Very strong. Everyone likes me.

Hanpan posted:

My girlfriend has offered to buy me a new TV for Christmas, and I am really excited. Problem is, I have absolutely no which one to buy. I've done a bit of researching and browsing, and came across two sets which I think are pretty good. Could you please tell me which of these two is better?

http://www.currys.co.uk/martprd/sto...7&category_oid=
http://www.currys.co.uk/martprd/sto...4&category_oid=

The Samsung has a higher contrast ratio and an extra HDMI input.

miggiddymatt
Oct 2, 2004

I am Hell's bus driver. Fasten your Bible belts, bitches.

kylej posted:

My Panasonic TH-42PZ77U arrived today. I'm in love.

I just got the th-50pz77u (I think that's the model, the 720p panasonic plasma) and the only problem I have with it is that it didn't come with diapers. I keep making GBS threads my pants when I walk in the room and look at my giant beautiful tv. Call of Duty 4 on this tv is comparable to when I accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior.

I got mine from Crutchfield on black friday for 1399. That included no tax, free shipping, and white glove delivery where they set it up in your house. I am very very pleased with this tv.

.Nathan.
Jun 29, 2004

by Fistgrrl

miggiddymatt posted:

I just got the th-50pz77u (I think that's the model, the 720p panasonic plasma) and the only problem I have with it is that it didn't come with diapers. I keep making GBS threads my pants when I walk in the room and look at my giant beautiful tv. Call of Duty 4 on this tv is comparable to when I accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior.

That's the TH-50px77u. The pz series is 1080p.

moravec
Apr 24, 2007

The fourth law of robots is screw you, I'm outta here.

fahrvergnugen posted:

The poor man's set calibration is a THX DVD, such as the Star Wars DVDs or Terminator 2. There's a THX logo on the main menus that will bring up audio & video test patterns so you can level things out.

Keep in mind that the THX calibration is for that specific movie, so calibrating from two different THX discs can produce different results, neither of which may be ideal for other sources.

fahrvergnugen
Nov 27, 2003

Intergalactic proton-powered electrical tentacled REFRIGERATOR OF DOOM.

moravec posted:

Keep in mind that the THX calibration is for that specific movie, so calibrating from two different THX discs can produce different results, neither of which may be ideal for other sources.

True, but if he's too cheap to shell out $25 for a loving copy of DVE, I didn't really want to invest much in discussing his picture quality, since he wasn't willing to invest anything in improving it.

dexter6
Sep 22, 2003

fahrvergnugen posted:

True, but if he's too cheap to shell out $25 for a loving copy of DVE, I didn't really want to invest much in discussing his picture quality, since he wasn't willing to invest anything in improving it.
Can I send you a $25 money order to take the stick out of your rear end?

fahrvergnugen
Nov 27, 2003

Intergalactic proton-powered electrical tentacled REFRIGERATOR OF DOOM.

dexter6 posted:

Can I send you a $25 money order to take the stick out of your rear end?

Sorry, my rear end only accepts Paypal. Unlike your mom, who'll even take Discover.

Dudikoff
Mar 30, 2003

kylej posted:

My Panasonic TH-42PZ77U arrived today. I'm in love.

I just got the 42PZ700U a few weeks ago from Fry's for $1200 and like you, I'm in love. The Panasonics are the best value in my opinion. The Pioneers look slightly better, but not a $1000 better.

Somebody mentioned that their Sony LCD showed too much grain. I also agree that you need to make sure that your sharpness is turned way down, like into the negatives. On a scale of -30 to +30 on my TV, sharpness is set at -15. It really helped from the factory settings. Signals like cable and DVD's are already so sharpened that any more sharpening from your tv will make them look terrible.

OmniDistortion
Feb 7, 2004
I need a recommendation for a plasma screen around the 30"-40" size. It doesn't need to be 1080p, 720p is a good enough step up for me. I'll be using this mostly for video games on my Wii and Xbox360 if this helps. These are the features I would like on it:

- 16:9 Widescreen (of course)
- at least 2 HDMI ports
- some form of A/V output (even stereo composite will do)
- Good contrast ratio
- Absolutely no lag (but it's a plasma and as I hear it would not have the same problems that plague some LCDs)

Other things it doesn't need, but I would really like:
- Native 720p resolution (if possible)
- DVI input for video card output (I don't know how likely this is)
- The price is an issue, but if I can't get it for around $900 I'll just wait a bit, but it would be nice what to keep an eye on for now.

Whoever can help me, thanks in advance!

Chief Rebel Angel
Apr 10, 2003

by Fragmaster
OK OK OK so I'll shell out for one of these calibrator discs.

Are there any major differences between Avia and DVE? From what I've read, DVE seems to be the better choice, primarily because it actually comes in widescreen, but also because it's cheaper.

Will my PlayStation 3's DVD upscaling affect using one of these DVDs? Do I need to turn the upscaler off before I calibrate, or should I leave it on since that's how I'm gonna be watching DVDs anyway? Am I correct in assuming that once the TV is calibrated using a DVD, that Blu Ray playback will be unaffected by it (as in I don't need separate settings for Blu Ray playback)?

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fahrvergnugen
Nov 27, 2003

Intergalactic proton-powered electrical tentacled REFRIGERATOR OF DOOM.

Chief Rebel Angel posted:

OK OK OK so I'll shell out for one of these calibrator discs.

Are there any major differences between Avia and DVE? From what I've read, DVE seems to be the better choice, primarily because it actually comes in widescreen, but also because it's cheaper.

Will my PlayStation 3's DVD upscaling affect using one of these DVDs? Do I need to turn the upscaler off before I calibrate, or should I leave it on since that's how I'm gonna be watching DVDs anyway? Am I correct in assuming that once the TV is calibrated using a DVD, that Blu Ray playback will be unaffected by it (as in I don't need separate settings for Blu Ray playback)?

I've never used Avia, I went straight for DVE. There's a blu-ray edition of DVE supposedly coming in March, although the HD-DVD edition was delayed so many times I wouldn't count on it arriving on time.

Once your PS3 is calibrated with the DVD, you won't need to re-calibrate for blu-ray unless you watch DVD & blu-ray on separate TV inputs. You should be able to use the standard DVD edition with the upscaler on your PS3 no problem, and you can always turn the upscaling off if you want to for the duration of the configuration.

Note that both disks are incredibly difficult to navigate, and poorly documented. You'll want to use a guide from the avsforum for either one.

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