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nomapple
Apr 27, 2012


Killsion posted:

It is pretty different from their previous material as you can tell by the sample. Album stays that slow to mid-tempo pace throughout. Seems to be a bit polarizing at the moment, with people either loving it, or disliking it specifically because it isn't fast, and doesn't contain a single blastbeat at all. On the other hand, I can't think of much else like this, so I feel like they finally found a good niche for the Kriegsmaschine sound, to really differentiate it from Mgla.

Yeah I am well up for something slow and midtempo. The sample still sounded pretty much like a war machine, so it's all good with me. I'm listening to Haxan by CdG, never really got into Henbane like everyone else seemed to, but this is pretty great.

And yeah, CoF were on before Behemoth.

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Killsion
Feb 16, 2011

Templars Rock.


nomapple posted:

The sample still sounded pretty much like a war machine, so it's all good with me.

I totally thought that too. Just really plodding, crushing stuff. Album is really growing on me, definitely my second favorite of the year behind The Satanist.

nomapple
Apr 27, 2012


Killsion posted:

I totally thought that too. Just really plodding, crushing stuff. Album is really growing on me, definitely my second favorite of the year behind The Satanist.

HOW does The Satanist have so many good, catchy songs on it? The album sounds vital, their live show at the moment feels vital, it's brilliant to see them on such good form. I don't think I've seen a big metal album get such deserved universal acclaim for a while.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012

DIG THROUGH THE DITCHES
AND BURN THROUGH THE WITCHES



So 1349 and Behemoth are playing in Worcester, MA in April, I'm really excited to see them. Does anyone know if Goatwhore will be playing with them? I've heard Cradle of Filth is playing but I'm not sure if Goatwhore is either.

Also how are 1349 live? They're probably my favorite black metal band so I'm wicked excited to see them. Behemoth will be amazing too.

Killsion
Feb 16, 2011

Templars Rock.


Kvlt! posted:

So 1349 and Behemoth are playing in Worcester, MA in April, I'm really excited to see them. Does anyone know if Goatwhore will be playing with them? I've heard Cradle of Filth is playing but I'm not sure if Goatwhore is either.

Also how are 1349 live? They're probably my favorite black metal band so I'm wicked excited to see them. Behemoth will be amazing too.

Says they still are, but it's part of NEMHF which frankly is utter garbage. Kind of would of liked to see Behemoth after this new album.

Monkeytime
Mar 20, 2010


nomapple posted:

HOW does The Satanist have so many good, catchy songs on it? The album sounds vital, their live show at the moment feels vital, it's brilliant to see them on such good form. I don't think I've seen a big metal album get such deserved universal acclaim for a while.

Something I've noticed in interviews and public appearances is that Nergal seems really happy. It's the kiss of death for comedians and some songwriters, but his embrace of life after beating cancer really seems to have made his creative side come alive. There are a lot more overt "rock" influences evident as well which makes this probably the hookiest album they've ever done.

In possibly (un)related news, Nergal is a judge on Poland's The Voice. I don't know what's weirder: Nergal appearing on The Voice or the creators of The Voice (and, by extension, the Polish public at large) finding it totally normal for a black metal musician to be a voice judge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS-gJhhePDI

Nergal::Adam Levine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxbLoeajtC4

Baron Von Ghoulosh
Dec 16, 2005

There was a time when I fed from golden chalices,
but now...

Now, I feed as
an old man pees.


Monkeytime posted:

In possibly (un)related news, Nergal is a judge on Poland's The Voice. I don't know what's weirder: Nergal appearing on The Voice or the creators of The Voice (and, by extension, the Polish public at large) finding it totally normal for a black metal musician to be a voice judge.

Nergal hasn't been on the show since being removed in 2011 (Season 1). More time to worship Satan and perform REAL music I suppose.

“Polands’s State TV has announced that they have removed Behemoth frontman Nergal, aka Adam Darski, from it’s talent show, The Voice Of Poland, after much pressure from the Catholic Church, claining that they will not replace him with another ‘death metal rock star.’

nomapple
Apr 27, 2012


Killsion posted:

I totally thought that too. Just really plodding, crushing stuff. Album is really growing on me, definitely my second favorite of the year behind The Satanist.

UPDATE: This Kriegsmaschine album rules. Other opinions are wrong. Absolutely crushing. It's nice to have more black metal that is actually heavy, not just raw. And if this is the niche they're going for to distinguish themselves from Mgła, I'm all for it. Really impressed with this, but I always like the slower bits in albums best anyway. Also, I've seen this said elsewhere a lot, but I'm just going to repeat it here: Oh my god the drumming on this record. War drums. This totally makes up for the disappointment I felt with the Avichi record (not that they're that similar, but I reckon this is the first great BM album of the year, at least in the "orthodox" style.)

Killsion
Feb 16, 2011

Templars Rock.


nomapple posted:

UPDATE: This Kriegsmaschine album rules. Other opinions are wrong. Absolutely crushing. It's nice to have more black metal that is actually heavy, not just raw. And if this is the niche they're going for to distinguish themselves from Mgła, I'm all for it. Really impressed with this, but I always like the slower bits in albums best anyway. Also, I've seen this said elsewhere a lot, but I'm just going to repeat it here: Oh my god the drumming on this record. War drums. This totally makes up for the disappointment I felt with the Avichi record (not that they're that similar, but I reckon this is the first great BM album of the year, at least in the "orthodox" style.)

The Avichi record I'm pretty mixed on right now. Some of it sounds great, but some of it seems off. The synth in Lightweaver for instance comes across so forced. I get he was going for something different, but I think he went a little too far. Also good lord the album cover art is atrocious. The Devil's Fractal had such great cover art too.

Von Sloneker
Jul 6, 2009

as if all this was something more
than another footnote on a postcard from nowhere,
another chapter in the handbook for exercises in futility

Nergal was also in a movie about Nazis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrIMq0DEo9E

Morbid Florist
Oct 21, 2002

and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.

Monkeytime posted:

I don't know what's weirder: Nergal appearing on The Voice or the creators of The Voice (and, by extension, the Polish public at large) finding it totally normal for a black metal musician to be a voice judge.

Right now the weirdest thing to me is Behemoth not being seen as a hot topic band after one album

Killsion
Feb 16, 2011

Templars Rock.


Morbid Florist posted:

Right now the weirdest thing to me is Behemoth not being seen as a hot topic band after one album

Amazing what taking a band for their music can do, and not some misguided sense of kvltness. Then again your response is how I viewed all the earlier Amon Amarth discussion in the main thread.

Morbid Florist
Oct 21, 2002

and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.

Killsion posted:

Amazing what taking a band for their music can do, and not some misguided sense of kvltness. Then again your response is how I viewed all the earlier Amon Amarth discussion in the main thread.

Behemoth is one of the most produced, plastic sounding black metal bands I've ever heard and the new album doesn't break that trend with me. I truly don't get the circle jerk over this new album at all.

nerve
Jan 2, 2011

SKA SUCKS


Why does it have to be a circle jerk and not just other humans liking it?

Because you will likely accuse me of Being A Part Of The Circle Jerk, I didn't care for it.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


What blackened death metal was clearly missing was tons of vocal overdubs, riffs stolen from Nile, and using "ov" instead of "of" because it's more brutal

Honestly, they've been repeating themselves since Thelema.6 or even earlier, and if anything the new album just has more catchy choruses and marketing going on. I thought the No Clean Singing editorial where the guy essentially whined about "elitist kvltists" calling Behemoth pop-metal was pretty telling. NCS is normally one of the better big metal blogs but that was a really silly article.

Gamma Nerd fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Feb 15, 2014

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012

DIG THROUGH THE DITCHES
AND BURN THROUGH THE WITCHES



Who gives a gently caress if something is Kvlt or brvtal or "metal". If it sounds good, listen to it. If you don't like the sound, don't listen to it.

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010





New Behemoth owns, holy poo poo. WAY better than the last one

No. 1 Juicy Boi
Jun 1, 2003

#1 JUICY BOY



Buglord

Yeah seriously, who cares how kvlt it is - if you like the music, cool, if you don't, go listen to something you do like.

I mean, unless we're talking about Merzbow or some Japanese shitnoise band like The Gerogerigegege, it's hard to call an album like The Satanist objectively bad.

Edit-- Most people are just expressing their opinion, yes, but who cares what Nergal does in his free time or if the band is promoted in Hot Topic or whatever.

No. 1 Juicy Boi fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Feb 17, 2014

Optimum Gulps
Oct 6, 2003

You wanna save this place, right? And I want to destroy it. Brick by hypocritical brick.

QPZIL posted:

The Gerogerigegege

Pardon me, sir, but being naked on stage and giving yourself a blowjob with a vacuum cleaner while another person writhes on the floor screaming into a micrphone is art!

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Excuse me, I regularly listen to Merzbow and the Gerogerigegege for pleasure. Don't talk poo poo.

I couldn't care less about cvlt status or whatever (I enjoy Boris and Isis, which would get me kicked off NWN and ANUS, and that's to say nothing of all the metalcore and slam death I listen to), I just think Behemoth releases are pretty redundant and don't really do anything with the combination of black and death metal that other bands (Imprecation, for instance) don't do better. This latest one is their best in a long time, though. I think we all agree on that.

Gamma Nerd fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Feb 17, 2014

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



QPZIL posted:

Yeah seriously, who cares how kvlt it is - if you like the music, cool, if you don't, go listen to something you do like.

I mean, unless we're talking about Merzbow or some Japanese shitnoise band like The Gerogerigegege, it's hard to call an album like The Satanist objectively bad.

Edit-- Most people are just expressing their opinion, yes, but who cares what Nergal does in his free time or if the band is promoted in Hot Topic or whatever.

I'm glad that music can't be objectively bad, unless it's music that you don't like.

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010





QPZIL posted:

Yeah seriously, who cares how kvlt it is - if you like the music, cool, if you don't, go listen to something you do like.

I mean, unless we're talking about Merzbow or some Japanese shitnoise band like The Gerogerigegege, it's hard to call an album like The Satanist objectively bad.

Edit-- Most people are just expressing their opinion, yes, but who cares what Nergal does in his free time or if the band is promoted in Hot Topic or whatever.

Oh my god you absolute scrub.

Tokyo Anal Dynamite is amazing.

yeah actually they will
Aug 18, 2012


QPZIL posted:

I mean, unless we're talking about Merzbow

Well, it can be tough to get into, but I wouldn't get discouraged - I'd recommend merzbeat or merzbient for first time listeners.

Vulich the Subtle
Nov 25, 2012

Paul is unimpressed by the glories of the Host.


no they will not posted:

Well, it can be tough to get into, but I wouldn't get discouraged - I'd recommend merzbeat or merzbient for first time listeners.

loliripe is superior japcore.

No. 1 Juicy Boi
Jun 1, 2003

#1 JUICY BOY



Buglord

Let me clarify - I enjoy Merzbow, especially his stuff with Boris, I'm just saying that I could at least entertain a "this is objectively bad" argument when it comes to music that is literal noise.

5er
Jun 1, 2000






I have learned that 'Japanoise' is an actual genre. Thanks guys!

Baron Von Ghoulosh
Dec 16, 2005

There was a time when I fed from golden chalices,
but now...

Now, I feed as
an old man pees.


Morbid Florist posted:

Behemoth is one of the most produced, plastic sounding black metal bands I've ever heard and the new album doesn't break that trend with me.

I wouldn't really classify Behemoth as a "black metal" for the last 15+ years. The new album kicks much rear end and isn't nearly as over produced as the majority of poo poo out today.

nomapple
Apr 27, 2012


The album is definitely well produced, but I wouldn't say it's over produced. It's just a kick rear end big metal release with great riffs and stuff.

Also I just spent €20 on a copy of the Cosmic Church/Circle of Ouroboros split, only to discover it's up for repress imminently. Oh well, still excited to get my copy. Definitely going to be picking up a repress of the CC album from last year as well because it's absolutely stellar.

Dimebags Brain
Feb 18, 2013





The Satanist is the most aggressively ok album I've heard in a long time. It's just there occupying space and is neither good nor bad. Like smooth Jazz it's something inoffensive to put on in the background while you're doing other poo poo.

Zodijackylite
Oct 18, 2005

hello bonjour, en francais we call the bread man l'homme de pain, because pain means bread and we're going to see a lot of pain this year and every nyrfan is looking forward to it and hey tony, can you wait until after my postgame interview to get on your phone? i thought you quit twitter...

Objectively bad black metal post, from best to worst:

The cover of "In League with Satan" found here is puzzlingly terrible and incomplete.
https://myspace.com/rancidentity

This isn't really metal but it's supposed to be some sort of depressive black metal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1CMIjqKrS8

This is just a complete failure to compose, perform, and record music in every way possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIDfnmo4ax4

funeral fag
Jun 23, 2004



The more recent Spear of Longinus albums are pretty loving bad. It's like they stopped giving a poo poo after Nada Brahma. In a way it's pretty cool how low-effort it all is but not really worth my hard-earned socialist utopia money.

Here's a SOL cover with a great video though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I986t-VqFE

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


no they will not posted:

Well, it can be tough to get into, but I wouldn't get discouraged - I'd recommend merzbeat or merzbient for first time listeners.

Merzbeat is poo poo though, I'd listen to Hybrid Noisebloom or 1930 personally

Oh and here are the kings of really bad black metal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50ws2AqfuvE

funeral fag
Jun 23, 2004



Gamma Nerd posted:

Oh and here are the kings of really bad black metal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50ws2AqfuvE

Oh yeah this is poo poo, but at least it's got a weird autistic Havohej-esque charm to it unlike most bedroom BM projects.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


m-o-o-n posted:

Oh yeah this is poo poo, but at least it's got a weird autistic Havohej-esque charm to it unlike most bedroom BM projects.

have you listened to Havohej's recent stuff, like Kembatinan Premaster? Weird as gently caress.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbfwOijvUDE

Black metal which doesn't sound like it uses guitars is oddly charming.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



quote:

Havohej
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1tz6VPI0vk

kirkjames
Jul 23, 2005



nomapple posted:

The album is definitely well produced, but I wouldn't say it's over produced. It's just a kick rear end big metal release with great riffs and stuff.

Also I just spent €20 on a copy of the Cosmic Church/Circle of Ouroboros split, only to discover it's up for repress imminently. Oh well, still excited to get my copy. Definitely going to be picking up a repress of the CC album from last year as well because it's absolutely stellar.

Ahhh, stoked to hear some Cosmic Church talk. Slept on buying the Ylistys LP and now I'm kicking myself, though I did manage to grab a copy of the Arcana Dei Trilogy, a comp of their early stuff. Awesome band, Ylistys is definitely top 5 black metal albums of 2013.

funeral fag
Jun 23, 2004



The new Mayhem track sounds like an uninspired Thorns outtake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d7cr-zdm1Y

Optimum Gulps
Oct 6, 2003

You wanna save this place, right? And I want to destroy it. Brick by hypocritical brick.

^It sounds like Teloch has had a very strong hand in composing this time around...definitely getting Nidingr vibes from that song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqURdlAAd8M

Killsion
Feb 16, 2011

Templars Rock.


That new Mayhem sounds absolutely atrocious.

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5er
Jun 1, 2000






Somehow I thought a recent reply in this thread was responsible for getting me to pull up a few Brujeria songs on youtube. Maybe related links or something. It was a trip google-translating some of the lyrics, these guys don't hold back explaining how they feel.

Billy Gould from Faith No More having thrown in with these guys at some point was amusing to learn too.

Anyways, I need to get more of these guys.

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