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The King of Swag
Nov 10, 2005

To escape the closure,
is to become the God of Swag.

Want to make a correction; the Chrysler 2.2L head project was 24v not 32v (don't know where I got that from). Chrysler actually had a contest for universities to design a new head for the engine and I can't seem to find the old article on it, but one school developed a 24v head that despite not even having tuned the engine to take advantage of it or properly designed a cam (I remember them saying that they just made a new cam with the stock cam profile for testing purposes). If I remember correctly, engine produced ~260 hp, loads of torque and managed to rev much higher due to elimination of the original Chrysler head. What's more, they were really confident that if given the time and resources to properly tune and refine the design, they were capable of pushing much more power.

I know for a fact that one of the original people involved with the project actually still has the rights to the design, but he's only wiling to sell it for more than its worth to anyone now.

Getting back on track; Chrysler loved the design but turned it down for the cost or producing it; deciding that the old design was still sufficient. Unfortunately, a combination of this same bean counting mentality and internal politics* killed the 4.0L.

* Daimler had complete control of Chrysler; it's no secret that the merger was actually a takeover. I actually have a book that completely follows the whole mess and mentions that for whatever reason, there was a big movement in Daimler to try and dismantle Jeep, that never saw fruition as Jeep was at the time the only part of the company (including Mercedes) that made any profit. The 4.0L was likely slashed as a last blow before Daimler sold their majority of Chrysler.

The King of Swag fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Feb 20, 2008

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Chillbro Baggins
Oct 8, 2004
Bad Angus! Bad!


Coitus_Interruptus posted:



The Jeep was a sidekick in the Popeye comics
I want to get a CJ and paint it like Popeye's pet. Yellow overall, white rocker panels, pink winch, and a CB antenna in the center of the back bumper.


RexSS345 posted:


I can't find it again, but I've seen a picture of an SJ Cherokee pulling out a high-centered H1. That was pretty funny.

ManicJason
Oct 27, 2003

He doesn't really stop the puck, but he scares the hell out of the other team.

Coitus_Interruptus posted:

Also likely and probably my favorite theory is that the vehicle was named after a magical comics character named the "Jeep"


My YJ would like to add its appropriate decal to this discussion



Its carpet was long ago replaced with Herculiner. For some reason I didn't have the Hi-Jack attached to the front in this shot. Also a hobo recently stole my CB antenna


Also neglected in the list of Jeeps was one of the most forgettable if not for its motto.

NVaderJ
Oct 27, 2003

OH YEAH? I'M FROM DETROIT(s suburbs)!

Meet my soccer mom special!





I get 13 mpg, but the amount I pay for the lease more than makes up for it. I'll absolutely lease another one if the price is right. I've been nothing but impressed with it.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006



I would have been fine with Chrysler killing the 4.0 if they would have had added a diesel option.

Tossed_Salad_Man
Feb 19, 2002

You Gon' Get Raped.


NVaderJ posted:

Meet my soccer mom special!





I get 13 mpg, but the amount I pay for the lease more than makes up for it. I'll absolutely lease another one if the price is right. I've been nothing but impressed with it.

Do you seriously get 13mpg?

My old 88yj gets 11ish, and I have been trying to figure out how to get that up. In jeep forums you get posts upon posts of guys with 33s and stock gears quoting 21mpg and how they can do moab backwards and never spin a wheel. I know you have to take that poo poo with a grain of salt but every time a mpg thread comes up in a jeep forum you always see people posting with 15 and above.

I try to just let it go and fill up when it's empty but you always wonder if you can't get better.

SNiPER_Magnum
Jan 21, 2001

Don't close. Don't close.

Nap Ghost

ManicJason posted:

Also neglected in the list of Jeeps was one of the most forgettable if not for its motto.



Man I would love to have a truck like that. Just look at that brow!

Jim Silly-Balls
Jun 6, 2001

Fondle my shiny metal ass



ManicJason posted:



Haha, holy poo poo thats a Suzuki RV90 in the back!!! I have that exact same bike!

An excessively rare bike and Jeep in the same shot. Delicious.

Anyone have a higher rez shot of that ad?

ManicJason
Oct 27, 2003

He doesn't really stop the puck, but he scares the hell out of the other team.

White Van Raceah posted:

Anyone have a higher rez shot of that ad?
Apparently you can buy the original 8" x 11" ad for $10

tonedef131
Sep 3, 2003



White Van Raceah posted:


An excessively rare bike and Jeep in the same shot. Delicious.

It's funny how few J10 trucks you see around anymore. It seems like no one owns just one, everyone who has a J series truck seems to have at least 3. Those trucks always remind me of the golden ega of jeep, the 80s. At the same time they were selling a full size SUV as well as the XJ, A full size truck as well as the MJ, and the CJ/YJ. Not to mention the introduction of the 4.0, Jeep really needs to get a lineup like that going again.

titler
Feb 18, 2005


Viking Blood posted:

Did you disengage the front swaybar?

Since a bunch of people have asked me how hard it is to disconnect the front swaybar, I'll mention it's an electronic disconnect. It's hard to tell what you meant with the question.

Viking Blood
Jun 17, 2005

The hammer of the Gods will drive our riffs to new lands

Pacific Rim Job posted:

Since a bunch of people have asked me how hard it is to disconnect the front swaybar, I'll mention it's an electronic disconnect. It's hard to tell what you meant with the question.

That was what I was getting at. Our Sierra gets a good workout from time to time and occasionally I would have liked to have that feature. Maybe when you have the time you could take some shots of how the system works?

hey hermano!
Nov 12, 2007

by The Finn


I was considering a thread for this but since we're on the subject, my 06' wrangler decided to lose traction to some black ice on the Turnpike the other day, mere seconds after I though to myself 'right about now would be a good time for 4wd'. I slipped around for a while before I hit the curb and rebounded back to the other side of the road. The car was fine except I shaved about an inch of metal off the front and rear wheels, and the rear wheel is now a little bent and has a visible wobble. Its ok to drive but i definitely need to replace at least the rear wheel. What are my options? Ive been looking around online but I can't find anything that matches the wheel exactly. Should I just bring it back to the dealer and expect to pay more than I can afford?

Boomerjinks
Jan 31, 2007


.... goddammit >.<

Boomerjinks fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Feb 20, 2008

Boomerjinks
Jan 31, 2007


The King of Swag posted:

The 4.0L gets the same mileage as the 2.5L; the only downside is the huge bitch of a task it is to swap as you'll have to also put in the heavier transmission for the 4.0L.


Heavier transmission what-what? You sound like a wealth of information on this, I'd love to hear any/all advice you have on the subject. My best friend's uncle is a jeep and 4x4 fanatic (builds his own dune buggies from scratch) who would likely be willing to help me with such a swap, but if it isn't just the engine, but also a transmission... sounds like more trouble than it's worth? Or maybe the appeal of a $150 engine goes out the window when I also have to acquire a transmission?

Your thoughts, advice, SAGE WISDOM??

Also:
The gf has expressed interest a replica car for her. Behold!

HONCHO

Boomerjinks fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Feb 20, 2008

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester
Oct 3, 2000


Boomerjinks posted:

The gf has expressed interest a replica car for her. Behold!
awesome idea

would you make a dorothy for it too?

tonedef131
Sep 3, 2003



Boomerjinks posted:

The gf has expressed interest a replica car for her. Behold!

HONCHO
Alright, that is the best idea I have ever heard. I always sort of hoped that after that J10 got picked up by the tornado it would have landed on its tailgate, then dropped onto it's wheels and drove off. That would be some Jeep porn, surviving tornados and poo poo.

Boomerjinks
Jan 31, 2007


Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:

awesome idea

would you make a dorothy for it too?

How could anyone ever love me if I didn't?

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

Psst! It's me!
The Sinister with the mutant gene.


A replica car from Twister?

Seriously?




Twister?

Jim Silly-Balls
Jun 6, 2001

Fondle my shiny metal ass



ManicJason posted:

Apparently you can buy the original 8" x 11" ad for $10

I love you.

TITANS
Dec 4, 2006

by Ozma


My dad's anti-jeep. It's a loving blast to drive but is pretty much everything a jeep shouldn't be. If you guys remember, my dad traded in his mint condition E46 M3 for this. I was mad that he got rid of it until I drove the SRT8.



And here's it doing what it shouldn't be doing. (It was faster than a Shelby GT Mustang on the track)



Dividend Special
Jul 24, 2007

by Fistgrrl


^^ Maybe it was just faster than the driver of the Mustang?

OrganizedEntropy
Jun 17, 2005
Carnot Can Kiss My Ass

TITANS posted:

My dad's anti-jeep. It's a loving blast to drive but is pretty much everything a jeep shouldn't be. If you guys remember, my dad traded in his mint condition E46 M3 for this. I was mad that he got rid of it until I drove the SRT8.



And here's it doing what it shouldn't be doing. (It was faster than a Shelby GT Mustang on the track)





Wicked! I had a 2006 SRT8 Jeep in Inferno Red that I was road racing at my local track. I had no problems taking Cobra's in the turns; seeing a 4800 lb SUV in the rear view mirror must have scared the crap out of the drivers and caused them to loose their concentration.

I got rid of the SRT8 a few months ago to fund my Corvette track car build up but goddam I miss that Jeep.

TITANS
Dec 4, 2006

by Ozma


Dividend Special posted:

^^ Maybe it was just faster than the driver of the Mustang?

It was the same driver.

TITANS
Dec 4, 2006

by Ozma


OrganizedEntropy posted:

Wicked! I had a 2006 SRT8 Jeep in Inferno Red that I was road racing at my local track. I had no problems taking Cobra's in the turns; seeing a 4800 lb SUV in the rear view mirror must have scared the crap out of the drivers and caused them to loose their concentration.

I got rid of the SRT8 a few months ago to fund my Corvette track car build up but goddam I miss that Jeep.

I really like the inferno red ones. What kind of corvette? My dad has been co-driving a C4 corvette and loves it. He's thinking of picking up a C5 Z06 for this season.

Jack_Handey
Jun 3, 2003

My goodness what am I doing here?

Boomerjinks posted:

Heavier transmission what-what? You sound like a wealth of information on this, I'd love to hear any/all advice you have on the subject. My best friend's uncle is a jeep and 4x4 fanatic (builds his own dune buggies from scratch) who would likely be willing to help me with such a swap, but if it isn't just the engine, but also a transmission... sounds like more trouble than it's worth? Or maybe the appeal of a $150 engine goes out the window when I also have to acquire a transmission


The 4 cyl Wrangler/XJ comes with an AX5 transmission, the 4.0 comes with the AX-15 which is a much, much stronger tranny, strong enough to hold up to a Small Block Chevy even. The AX5 is trash.

City17
Dec 3, 2006



hey hermano! posted:

lose traction to some black ice...and the rear wheel is now a little bent...


Factory wheels from the dealer will cost a shitload more than quality aftermarket wheels. So you could either just buy a new set of aftermarket wheels, or keep checking on CL, Jeep wheels seem to roll across CL in my area every day.

You might even call some 4x4 shops in your area and see if they know anyone who has recently replaced their stock wheels.

SNiPER_Magnum
Jan 21, 2001

Don't close. Don't close.

Nap Ghost

Rhyno posted:

A replica car from Twister?

Seriously?




Twister?
It looks so cool though.

Since we are on J trucks, my favorite Jeep ever:



That thing screams badass.

gravypig
Dec 31, 2004

Hooker Pig says "Gravy please."

Pacific Rim Job posted:

Since a bunch of people have asked me how hard it is to disconnect the front swaybar, I'll mention it's an electronic disconnect. It's hard to tell what you meant with the question.

Viking Blood posted:

That was what I was getting at. Our Sierra gets a good workout from time to time and occasionally I would have liked to have that feature. Maybe when you have the time you could take some shots of how the system works?

Am I reading this right? Electronic Sway Bar Link disconnects? I don't think I've heard of such a thing. I would be interested to see how thats supposed to work.

The King of Swag
Nov 10, 2005

To escape the closure,
is to become the God of Swag.

SNiPER_Magnum posted:

It looks so cool though.

Since we are on J trucks, my favorite Jeep ever:



That thing screams badass.

I would drat near give a kidney to own one of those trucks. They are ridiculously utilitarian inside, but they are quite possibly the most awesome vehicle ever to tool around in (I've only gotten to drive one once on a ranch).

SNiPER_Magnum
Jan 21, 2001

Don't close. Don't close.

Nap Ghost

I see J trucks crop up for sale every now and again, some in not too bad condition. But I have never seen a Thriftside. That is what I would give a kidney for.

Goob
Jul 10, 2001

The M-1 does my talking.

Graboids were no match for a Gladiator.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?


gravypig posted:

Am I reading this right? Electronic Sway Bar Link disconnects? I don't think I've heard of such a thing. I would be interested to see how thats supposed to work.

This thread has a decent description of the JK Wrangler's sway bar based on a disassembly.
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=367045

I thought I had found a patent covering it, but it was relating to trailers.

Chillbro Baggins
Oct 8, 2004
Bad Angus! Bad!


Advent Horizon posted:

That'd only work if there weren't any M-715s. They say 'Jeep' in pretty drat big letters across the tailgate.
Maybe "little Jeeps" was specified. It's been a while since he's told that story.

I want an M715. Body of a Gladiator, engine (and fold-down windshield) of a CJ, but geared low enough to still pull a house down. Fits 44" tires on the stock suspension. Relatively abundant, because they were sold to backwoods VFDs when the Army got rid of them, and the fire departments are finally getting enough money to upgrade. Lots of them you see for sale nowadays have V8s swapped in.


There was one in one of the Tremors movies, but I can't find a picture. It was yellow.

Also available in ambulance form as the M725:





Tossed_Salad_Man posted:

Do you seriously get 13mpg?
Yeah, that doesn't sound right. My AMC 360-powered Wagoneer got 13mpg. InediblePenguin's 4.0 XJ got around 20mpg, and she drove it like a maniac.

dev null
Sep 3, 2003

ctOS actual


Cross post:

Just got back from the Outer Banks. It was a blast as usual. I know the trails seem kind of lame but I didn't take any pictures during the harder ones because, well, it's really hard to take pictures and hold on. All in all it was a good day and the only bummer was my buddy's diff breaking. The only thing he was pissed about was that it happened on the road and not on the trail.


Getting ready to roll out






















Just some beach scenery






A very broken diff and a very expensive tow back home

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

If Godzilla can do it, you know I can deliver!

Pillbug

With the broken diff, why didn't you just disconnect the rear axle and put it in 4x4 high and drive it with the front?

I've seen several friend do that when their differential died

dev null
Sep 3, 2003

ctOS actual


CommieGIR posted:

With the broken diff, why didn't you just disconnect the rear axle and put it in 4x4 high and drive it with the front?

I've seen several friend do that when their differential died

It wasn't my Jeep so it wasn't my decision. We left to get some gear oil because he was going to drive in 4h all the way home but while we were at the store they discovered something that prevented the drive home but I don't know what it was.

SNiPER_Magnum
Jan 21, 2001

Don't close. Don't close.

Nap Ghost

Delivery McGee posted:

There was one in one of the Tremors movies, but I can't find a picture. It was yellow.


They probably couldn't find any more Thriftside Gladiators

Delivery McGee posted:

Also available in ambulance form as the M725:

I've seen a few of those from fire/rescue squads on the market recently too. I was kinda surprised at how good they looked, but I guess the only things I see firemen doing is fighting fires and washing their trucks.

titler
Feb 18, 2005


Viking Blood posted:

That was what I was getting at. Our Sierra gets a good workout from time to time and occasionally I would have liked to have that feature. Maybe when you have the time you could take some shots of how the system works?

I'll try to remember to take a video of it while we're out this weekend. It's a little picky about being on even ground to [dis]engage, but it's great to not have to get out and do anything when the weather is inhospitable.

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NVaderJ
Oct 27, 2003

OH YEAH? I'M FROM DETROIT(s suburbs)!

Tossed_Salad_Man posted:

Do you seriously get 13mpg?

My old 88yj gets 11ish, and I have been trying to figure out how to get that up. In jeep forums you get posts upon posts of guys with 33s and stock gears quoting 21mpg and how they can do moab backwards and never spin a wheel. I know you have to take that poo poo with a grain of salt but every time a mpg thread comes up in a jeep forum you always see people posting with 15 and above.

I try to just let it go and fill up when it's empty but you always wonder if you can't get better.

For the driving I do, yes I get 13 mpg. I drive approximately two miles to work, and I assume that the low speed (speed limit is 25 the whole 2 miles) and four stop signs conspire with cold Michigan winters to keep my fuel economy in peak-oil-inducing levels. On longer trips I get up around 17-17.5 on the highway.

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