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Pretty Little Rainbow
Dec 27, 2005

by T. Finn


slidebite posted:

Well, I would actually be really surprised if they relaxed the current prohib list. That would probably be seen as a little too pro-gun for their comfort. However, I think it is likely nothing will be added and indeed it would be the death knell to the registry. They will kill it once and for all. I have little doubt of that.

I guess there is a possibility of a total re-writing of the gun laws from the ground up. If that happens I suppose there is a chance that they'll become available again, but I would certainly not want to bet on it.

Buy a 858 and be loving happy.

Find a way to make a Krinkov 858 and yeah.

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slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg


Pretty Little Rainbow posted:

Find a way to make a Krinkov 858 and yeah.

I want an AK too... Actually, I want an FAL more so. But, if I get the Chinese Bullpup I think I'll be happy for a while.

Pretty Little Rainbow
Dec 27, 2005

by T. Finn


slidebite posted:

I want an AK too... Actually, I want an FAL more so. But, if I get the Chinese Bullpup I think I'll be happy for a while.

The only gun I honestly REALLY want is a Skorpion. Its the first thing im buying online once I get my PAL.

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

slidebite posted:

Well poo poo. I might have to reconsider after all.

In other news:
Conservatives Gaining momentum and on a motherfuckin' roll

If they can keep close to this, they may, just may, pull a majority out of their

Still a long, long way to go. The Conservatives looked like they were headed for a majority last time but in typical Conservative fashion started doing stupid TV ads and failed to respond to NDP and Liberal attack ads.

Gtab
Dec 9, 2003
I am a horrible person, disregard my posts.

FALs are more important to me than AKs.

I want a FAL.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg


HPL posted:

Still a long, long way to go. The Conservatives looked like they were headed for a majority last time but in typical Conservative fashion started doing stupid TV ads and failed to respond to NDP and Liberal attack ads.
Oh absolutely. Last time though, they were not anywhere near this far ahead this early. There was only the specter of a majority as an outside possibility the last week or so of the election. They've never enjoyed this much of a lead this early on before... and I don't think it was so much the CPC loving it up as the undecided "CONSERVATIVES=SCARY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THEM" that came out of the woodwork.

DocCynical
Jan 9, 2003

That is not possible just now


slidebite posted:

However, I think it is likely nothing will be added and indeed it would be the death knell to the registry. They will kill it once and for all. I have little doubt of that.

I'd settle for keeping the gun registry and getting some loving property rights, so a ban of handguns and scary guns would be impossible.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg


DocCynical posted:

I'd settle for keeping the gun registry and getting some loving property rights, so a ban of handguns and scary guns would be impossible.

WE CAN'T HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS ENSHRINED INTO LAW! IF THERE WAS PROPERTY RIGHTS IN THE 1800S WE'D STILL HAVE SLAVES!!!1one!

(actual Liberal argument against property rights.. I poo poo you not)

DocCynical
Jan 9, 2003

That is not possible just now


slidebite posted:

WE CAN'T HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS ENSHRINED INTO LAW! IF THERE WAS PROPERTY RIGHTS IN THE 1800S WE'D STILL HAVE SLAVES!!!1one!

(actual Liberal argument against property rights.. I poo poo you not)

And then they couldn't renege on their promise that the registry wouldn't lead to confiscation. We would gently caress them over on their devious plan.

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004



slidebite posted:

WE CAN'T HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS ENSHRINED INTO LAW! IF THERE WAS PROPERTY RIGHTS IN THE 1800S WE'D STILL HAVE SLAVES!!!1one!

(actual Liberal argument against property rights.. I poo poo you not)
Wait, you guys had slaves in Canada?

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

Craptacular posted:

Wait, you guys had slaves in Canada?

No, but it's yet another case of "We're Socialists so we're allowed to use American examples when it suits us" syndrome. God forbid should you or I use an American example because if we do, suddenly we're selling our sovereignty and becoming a puppet of the US.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg


HPL posted:

No, but it's yet another case of "We're Socialists so we're allowed to use American examples when it suits us" syndrome.

Actually, we did until 1834, but it was never to any extent like the US.

HPL is accurate though that they (hypocritical liberals) like to use American examples when it suits their agenda. Otherwise, Americans are bastards.

canadianclassic
Nov 3, 2004



I went shooting today with my friend in the armed forces. It was my first time in about a year that I've gone shooting and I finally feel motivated enough to do the courses and get my liscense. We only brought out a 9mm glock this time.

Tomorrow we're going to try and find a part for his CZ Ak variant rifle, I'm not sure of the exact model. If we can get it working we'll probably go put a few rounds through it, I'm pretty stoked.

Gtab
Dec 9, 2003
I am a horrible person, disregard my posts.

CZs aren't actually AKs inside. They just sorta look like it.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler


Before I left I was getting really sick of the, "Harper is an idiot" stuff. I'd then ask, "oh, what did he do that you disagree with?" which is usually met with silence or a "he's just a Bush wannabe!"

If anyone ever says they vote NDP I usually have to repress the urge to spit in their face. I can see people around my age (20's) who don't really remember Ray Days, but anyone over 30 is worthy of a nice lugie! I can see voting Liberal. If it wasn't for the sponsorship scandal, the 13 years of doing NOTHING with regards to the environment, education, healthcare, the neutering of the armed forces, constantly attacking our closest ally and trading partner, incessant bans, and anti gun stance I'd vote for them.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Behind every great engineer is someone just hoping the "genius" doesn't bankrupt everyone.



HPL posted:

No, but it's yet another case of "We're Socialists so we're allowed to use American examples when it suits us" syndrome. God forbid should you or I use an American example because if we do, suddenly we're selling our sovereignty and becoming a puppet of the US.

I think I've said this before, possibly in this very same thread (it was a thread full of canadians at the very least) and that's a godawful bullshit argument in the first place.

Yes, we had slaves. We then passed a number of laws legally emancipating them. Those slaveowners who stayed with the union were compensated for the loss of their slaves. It actually wasn't a precedent for property rights violations, and in no way weakened American property rights.

Goddamn the Canadian left is silly sometimes.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg


Cyrano4747 posted:

I think I've said this before, possibly in this very same thread (it was a thread full of canadians at the very least) and that's a godawful bullshit argument in the first place.

I'm sure you're aware of this but you're preaching to the choir. That "argument" has a couple of whopper logical fallacies in one. It's both a strawman and a nonsequitor to the extreme.

But, these are the type of people we're up against here. The most basic use of logic and critical thinking skills are rare.

Unfortunately, the only way we'd get real iron clad property rights would be to ammend the Charter of Rights (our version of the Bill of Rights). All the provinces have to be on board for that to happen. While it's not impossible, other politics always come into play (IE: Quebec will support it, but we also want some other amendment to the charter to keep them happy at the same time) so it's pretty drat unlikely.

They could make it into a standard law, but then it would just be the matter of repealing/amending the law by the next government that doesn't like it.

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

"Federal liberals proposing 'guns and gangs task force'"

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article.jsp?content=20080916_104144_18308

Hey awesome.

1. The Conservatives proposed this a year or two ago and it was pooh-poohed by the opposition.

2. If the Liberals are running it, it'll probably be a lot more "guns" than "gangs". Wait until the "recommendations" start rolling in from the task force.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg


HPL posted:

"Federal liberals proposing 'guns and gangs task force'"

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article.jsp?content=20080916_104144_18308

article posted:

The paper quotes a Liberal insider as saying preventing violent crime is a major priority for the party.

As opposed to, oh I don't know, Violent Crime not being a priority?

You can just see them working the gun angle to the max on this. In the debate, Dion is going to hammer on Harper and saying how he isn't tough on crime because he doesn't want to ban evil military-style guns.

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

I really wish the Conservatives would find a new ad agency to use. Their ads are so stupid and classless. I plan on voting Conservative and even I can't stand them.

I think the one thing that will help the Conservatives is the lovely economy because people will be like "gently caress the environment, I've got to be able to pay the goddamned bills!"

HPL fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Sep 16, 2008

Canuckistan
Jan 14, 2004

I'm the greatest thing since World War III.







Soiled Meat

Well, nothing like a high school shooting in Toronto to get guns back onto the election radar.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2008/09/16/bendale-shooting.html

Personally, I'm having a real hard time deciding who's going to get my vote from a purely selfish interest in the social issues. I've got gay friends, I'm pro-marijuana, and I like to have fun with things that go boom. Out of the three, the only thing that affects me would be a gun ban since I don't smoke cock nor weed, but I fully support others rights to do so at will and without prejudice.

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

Canuckistan posted:

Well, nothing like a high school shooting in Toronto to get guns back onto the election radar.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2008/09/16/bendale-shooting.html

This won't stick. Here's why:

quote:

According to Toronto police Chief Bill Blair, the 17-year-old became involved in an altercation "with a number of young men" when one pulled out a gun and fired.

It was directly provoked, possibly a gang thing, but definitely not a mass shooting in the nature of Marc Lepine and Kimveer Gill. No "military-style" weapons involved. If the victim is black as well, chances are this story is going to fade into the night. Sad to say, but black-on-black violence just doesn't resonate with the Canadian media and public.

Incidentally, kudos to CBC for actually providing level-headed coverage of a violent incident involving guns.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg


Canuckistan posted:

Personally, I'm having a real hard time deciding who's going to get my vote from a purely selfish interest in the social issues. I've got gay friends, I'm pro-marijuana, and I like to have fun with things that go boom. Out of the three, the only thing that affects me would be a gun ban since I don't smoke cock nor weed, but I fully support others rights to do so at will and without prejudice.

The Conservatives have made it abundantly clear that same-sex rights will not be challenged in the slightest. They however aren't going to be pro-pot anytime soon though.

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

slidebite posted:

The Conservatives have made it abundantly clear that same-sex rights will not be challenged in the slightest. They however aren't going to be pro-pot anytime soon though.

On the other hand, they're not anti-pot either. Really, the way it is right now with regards to pot is probably the best compromise without pissing off one side of the debate or the other. At least in Vancouver, pot use is so incredibly open and tolerated that it's almost cliche. So we get relatively open pot use and still have a facade of frowning upon it so the Americans leave us alone.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes


HPL posted:

On the other hand, they're not anti-pot either. Really, the way it is right now with regards to pot is probably the best compromise without pissing off one side of the debate or the other. At least in Vancouver, pot use is so incredibly open and tolerated that it's almost cliche. So we get relatively open pot use and still have a facade of frowning upon it so the Americans leave us alone.

I'm not anti-pot but I'm anti-Marc Emery. I think the conservatives are on the same page as me here.

Gtab
Dec 9, 2003
I am a horrible person, disregard my posts.

Ikantski posted:

I'm not anti-pot but I'm anti-Marc Emery. I think the conservatives are on the same page as me here.

Ding ding. I love pissing off hippies about Marc Emery.


No, faggots, you cannot willingly break the law in another country and expect to get away with it because you think it's mostly cool where you come from.

Otherwise I'd get some Sierra Leone passport going on so I could kneecap people here in Vancouver who piss me off.

Caedus
Sep 11, 2007

It's good to have a sense of scale.





Ikantski posted:

The Canadian conservatives are basically pro-gun American democrats, I don't see the problem here. I'm just curious, are you a journalism student at Carleton in Ottawa?

I don't see how you can trust NDP at all. How can you trust them when they say poo poo like this


GLOBAL APOCALYPSE UNLESS YOU VOTE NDP!

I've got my sign up, this is the first election I've actually wanted a party to get a majority. I didn't trust the CPC anti-gay/anti-abortion agenda before but they seem to be over that.


No, I'm a trades student from a certain Liberal stronghold in Northern Ontario.

And no, I don't trust the NDP. I don't agree 100%, or even 50% with any of our political parties, and that's why I feel how I feel. I'm stuck in the middle where I think half of any party says is a great idea, and half is insulting bullshit.

I'll even admit to not following Canadian politics that closely because I'm just so turned off of our political process. There's a lot of talk about extremes, and in the end, the party in power stays in the middle and tries not to rock the boat. I would love a lot of the heathcare and environmental policies that the Green Party and NDP have been talking about, but then they go and say poo poo like that and I feel like I'm throwing my vote away.

I'm tried of political hot air on both sides of the border, and I just want a drat party who will let their positive results speak for themselves instead of that goddamn Dion picture showing up in every attack ad.

However I'm living in a dream world where it rains rainbows and unicorns, so the best I can do is find the party who wants to take away the least amount of my rights (well, I guess I would call them privilages since we don't have a "right" to firearms in Canada) as a firearms owner. I just want to make things go bang with cool guns occasionally, why must I be treated like I'm on the verge of committing mass murder because I want semi-automatic rifles and handguns to shoot with? Especally after all the government licensing and registration I went though to obtain them in the first place?

If any of the parties manage to ban handguns, I want the 100 or so dollars I spent getting my restricted license, plus payment for time spent in a classroom.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler


Caedus posted:

I would love a lot of the heathcare and environmental policies that the Green Party and NDP have been talking about, but then they go and say poo poo like that and I feel like I'm throwing my vote away.

The problem with these parties, especially the NDP is that they decide to allocate huge figures to healthcare and education and the environment (not too bad), but where does the money come from? Well they love to impose huge taxes and fees and other money grabs against big business and specifically the manufacturing and resource oriented industries.

They say, "look at all the money big business is giving us now, we can spend it every year on more health care and education and the enviro. . . Hey! where do you think all you big businesses are going? Where are we supposed to get our sweet taxes from now?"

Personally I love Layton. Anyone less retarded at the forefront would attract more votes. Same goes for Dion.

Gtab
Dec 9, 2003
I am a horrible person, disregard my posts.

Blistex posted:

The problem with these parties, especially the NDP is that they decide to allocate huge figures to healthcare and education and the environment (not too bad), but where does the money come from? Well they love to impose huge taxes and fees and other money grabs against big business and specifically the manufacturing and resource oriented industries.

They say, "look at all the money big business is giving us now, we can spend it every year on more health care and education and the enviro. . . Hey! where do you think all you big businesses are going? Where are we supposed to get our sweet taxes from now?"

Personally I love Layton. Anyone less retarded at the forefront would attract more votes. Same goes for Dion.

So very, very true.

Also, the humor is even with more tax money they couldn't magically improve the medical system, which is why I laugh at that hilarious Liberal Party ad condemning the Conservatives for the state of healthcare and how many Canadians lack a regular family doctor.

What are the Libs/NDP gonna do, manifest doctors and nurses out of thin air and suddenly fix our brain drain/burnout problems overnight? No. Even if they threw all kinds of cash at medical care and subsidized students, the majority would flee to the free market of the US where their skills can make a much larger sum and be taxed far less.

As HPL has said, Layton is hilarious because he can say all this retarded pie in the sky poo poo and never actually have to prove any of it/back it up because he'll never get elected.

Dion could get elected, but he's not gonna magically fix the medical issue either -- just like the conservatives haven't fixed all the retarded poo poo 13 years of uninterrupted Liberal rule did to the country. He will manage to push away more businesses, more US money, and annoy the absolute Jesus gently caress out of us.



The current iteration of the Conservative Party is by far the most effective and rational government Canada has had in probably... oh, looking back, at least 20 years. Longer, given how poor the old Conservatives were.

I'm actually pretty happy with the Canadian Conservative Party. They haven't actually touched abortion or gay issues, they have improved gun issues a bit, they have improved our economy, they have gotten effectively tough on crime with greater law enforcement spending and hiring, they have increased education and medical spending carefully, they have lowered taxes and used national income wisely, they have improved our military and given us a military we can be proud of again as they serve in a much more just war in Afghanistan (and they have stuck by their commitment to helping the Afghani people attain and maintain freedom and democracy and a better quality of living).

As far as I am concerned they are doing very well, and I would like to see several more years with Harper and his team in charge of Canada. I hope for good things, and they have given me strong reasons to expect this.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg


Not to be out done, Gunban happy David Miller (Mayor of Toronto) is now putting is 2c into the election.

David Miller says Greens are the best and WE NEED A HANDGUN BAN.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/story/2008/09/17/miller-election.html

crazy david miller seyz posted:

Toronto Mayor David Miller waded into the federal election campaign on Tuesday.

He spoke about the need for a ban on handguns on a day that saw three homicides in the GTA, as well as the shooting of a 16-year-old in a city high school.

But Miller also pointed out that so far, only the Green party has directly addressed the growing needs of Canadian cities.

Its platform has a national transit strategy and plans to give cities a permanent revenue source to help fix a growing infrastructure backlog.

At a meeting with reporters Miller wore a campaign button prominently declaring his political preference "Vote Toronto."

Miller said he won't endorse any specific party, but he is urging Torontonians on Oct. 14 to choose the party that will help the city thrive in the next century.

"Well, so far the Green party has addressed city issues and I say, 'Good for them.' I would hope the Liberals and the NDP would do the same thing," said Miller.

The mayor said Conservative Leader Stephen Harper's opinion of cities is well-known.

"The prime minister always says cities are not of national importance," said Miller.
"They are. And all of the parties should be speaking to that."

The majority of Canadians, eight out of 10, live in cities and towns. Yet Brock Carlton of the Federation of Canadian Municipalities says most political parties have ignored city issues such as proper funding, infrastructure renewal and public transit.

"The services cities provide are the services closest to Canadians that affect their quality of life directly," he said.

While Carlton says cities have found it difficult to get the spotlight on their issues so far, that is likely to change when the FCM releases its Election 2008 Platform on Thursday, outlining what Canadian municipalities say they need to survive the coming challenges.
Yes. I am sure Stephen Harper has said, verbatim, "Cities are not of National Importance" you dipshit.

At least Stephen Harper has the balls to call him out on his bullshit if he wants to give it the time and I hope he does.

That the people of Toronto seem to keep electing people with Autism to the mayors office (Mel Lastman, then this clown) scares the gently caress out of me and the sway they have on the federal stage.

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

Ha ha, you mean even David Miller has hopped off the Liberal wagon?

Rhobot Mk. II
Jan 15, 2008
Mk. II: Bigger, longer, uncut robo-cock.

HPL posted:

Ha ha, you mean even David Miller has hopped off the Liberal wagon?

He was actually an NDP clown, but now he's on the Green team.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.



For Christ's sake, a handgun ban won't do poo poo. Dump more money into Border security to stop the flow of illegal firearms, THAT will make a difference!

On a related note, wrote the Border Services Officer Test today. Much tougher than I thought it would be. And I need to go get my PAL (Restricted).

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


I figure this is as good a place to ask as any: Whats the word on the Norinco rifles and pistols over at Marstar? Are they serviceable or just cheap junk?

I was interested in their 1911 copy and .22 semi-auto pistol as well as their SKS copy and .22 levergun.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg


Hit and miss, but some of the hits are real hits.

You can't really go wrong with the M305 (M14 clone). Their shotguns have been pretty much universally accepted as mediocre. I had the M93 (woodsman .22) and it was fine. I had a 1911A1 and while it was perfectly OK, the stock trigger was dreadful and borderline unusable. It was incredibly gritty and was probably about 15lbs.. unfortunately, I'm not even really exaggerating. It was awful but I think I got a bit of a dud.

The Sig clones are OK (I had the 226 clone) and actually I think under-rated (I own a 226 Equinox now so I think I can give an unbiased comparison) but I've heard of the odd frame crack so buyer beware.

Personally, if you wanted a 1911 but it from Gunnar @ Armco. It'll probably cost you another $50, but he goes through them and gives them a quick trigger job which I've heard makes it into a new gun.

Buy an M305 and a 1911A1. The woodsman is OK for a cheap plinker. If you must have the x39 love, I'd skip the SKS personally and go right to an 858 if you can wing it.

slidebite fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Sep 18, 2008

beaver_cheese
Feb 13, 2001

Bad day for that beaver.

Norinco make great guns.

I own one of their M14s and 2 SKS's. They're a great value. The M14 is one of the best deals you can get on a gun in Canada.

I haven't tried any of their pistols, but I plan on getting a 1911 from https://www.canadaammo.com. They look really nice and are apparently great guns. Some people say that sending them to armco for a tuning makes them shoot even better. I plan to send it to them and get the 100 dollar Norinco tune job the offer.

edit: beaten by seconds.

Also I just read that they're bringing in some new Sig clones. They have a flashlight rail unlike the older models.

beaver_cheese fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Sep 18, 2008

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


poo poo, most of the stuff I'm interested in is out of stock. Also, do you guys know if those Turkish shotguns are any good?

Gtab
Dec 9, 2003
I am a horrible person, disregard my posts.

M14 great
Shotguns generally lame, coach guns are downright dangerous. Trench gun acceptable.
1911 is awful until you get it worked over by Gunnar, then it's acceptable.
Their .22s have, in my experience, been wacky inaccurate.
SKS often suffer from canted front sights but are otherwise flawless. If you can fix that, you're in business; I'd go straight for a VZ58 if I did it over again.
Sig knock-off is so-so.
The polymer Chinese Army handgun they make is decent.

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

Okay, so for the record, the NDP just made a candidate resign that was the co-founder of the Marijuana Party of Canada. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, pro-pot NDP supporters.

And Jack Layton is an idiot.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=cbe031a4-13eb-4664-8988-4a3360614104

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mikerock
Oct 29, 2005




oh those evil liberals!

oh those evil conservatives!

oh oh hey minority government you're willing to let me have some say?

why sure i'll gobble your cock, hell i'll even lick your rear end in a top hat!



reminds me of the old lady in blazing saddles:

"of course you'll have the good grace not to mention this to anyone else"

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