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Ryuga Death
May 14, 2008

There's gotta be one more bell to crack


Fun Shoe

Stanley Pain posted:

If you want to feel 100% buy a full retail copy instead of an upgrade. This is grey area at best, so who knows what they will/won't allow.

If they "allowed" it why would any buy anything BUT the upgrade?

You're right, but then again, the upgrade would be useless for people who have no prior OS and is putting a computer together for the first time. Not sure if that made any sense.

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wang souffle
Apr 26, 2002


Does Home Premium really not allow you to connect via Remote Desktop? I'd like to be able to connect from work if possible. I checked the first and last few pages, but haven't seen any mention of this.

Alex007
Jul 8, 2004



wang souffle posted:

Does Home Premium really not allow you to connect via Remote Desktop? I'd like to be able to connect from work if possible. I checked the first and last few pages, but haven't seen any mention of this.

The feature matrix here says that only Professional can be a RDP host.

kapinga
Oct 12, 2005

I am not a number

Stanley Pain posted:

If you want to feel 100% buy a full retail copy instead of an upgrade. This is grey area at best, so who knows what they will/won't allow.

If they "allowed" it why would any buy anything BUT the upgrade?

It was "allowed" with Vista - you could use the upgrade key to upgrade from the free trial version of Vista. That didn't stop people from buying the full version anyways - its far more convenient to only install the OS once, and its more 'legit' if you care about these things.

For all of you trying to see if your particular situation will work with upgrade media, I would assume the worst (upgrades can only be installed to partitions currently holding the "upgraded" OS, which does not include the RC) and go from there. If the savings are worth the extra hassle, go for it - otherwise, wait for 7 to be released and spend a little more.

wang souffle posted:

Does Home Premium really not allow you to connect via Remote Desktop? I'd like to be able to connect from work if possible. I checked the first and last few pages, but haven't seen any mention of this.

Yes, and this has been true for some time. I don't believe XP Home could act as a RDP server either. There has to be some features that differentiate Pro from Home, and this is a very valid one.

univbee
Jun 3, 2004





wang souffle posted:

Does Home Premium really not allow you to connect via Remote Desktop? I'd like to be able to connect from work if possible. I checked the first and last few pages, but haven't seen any mention of this.

You can use a Home version to connect TO another computer configured as an RDP Host, but an RDP Host can only be a Professional version of Windows. This has been true for as long as there have been Home editions of NT-based Windows versions (i.e. since Windows XP).

Fancy_Lad
May 15, 2003
Would you like to buy a monkey?

univbee posted:

You can use a Home version to connect TO another computer configured as an RDP Host, but an RDP Host can only be a Professional version of Windows. This has been true for as long as there have been Home editions of NT-based Windows versions (i.e. since Windows XP).

A workable substitute is Mirosoft Mesh, although you would have to be able to install software on your work PC to connect.

I personally find myself using Mesh's RD much more than Windows RD simply because I like how it handles multiple monitors better (No more having to rearrange my desktop icons after RD into my workstation from my laptop).

bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004

It's mysterious what attracts you to a post...


How difficult will it be to get a printer working with Windows 7? It's an HP Laserjet 1018, and HP's website says they aren't supporting windows 7 yet. The upgrade advisor says I need to get a new driver, but one isn't available through HP. Will the Vista driver work, or will I be without a printer until HP releases a supported driver?

kapinga
Oct 12, 2005

I am not a number

bradzilla posted:

How difficult will it be to get a printer working with Windows 7? It's an HP Laserjet 1018, and HP's website says they aren't supporting windows 7 yet. The upgrade advisor says I need to get a new driver, but one isn't available through HP. Will the Vista driver work, or will I be without a printer until HP releases a supported driver?

The Vista driver should work. If you already have the printer, it's entirely possible that 7 will have the drivers already (just looked, Win7 has drivers for the 1015 included in windows update, I don't know if that will do for you).

Good Dog
Oct 16, 2008

Who threw this cat at me?

Clapping Larry

bradzilla posted:

How difficult will it be to get a printer working with Windows 7? It's an HP Laserjet 1018, and HP's website says they aren't supporting windows 7 yet. The upgrade advisor says I need to get a new driver, but one isn't available through HP. Will the Vista driver work, or will I be without a printer until HP releases a supported driver?

Nearly all vista drivers run for windows 7, I've had no trouble plugging my epson printers in and they run fine, your HP should work. Only thing I have had fail to work is an Acer specific driver in my laptop.

EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!



Fancy_Lad posted:

A workable substitute is Mirosoft Mesh, although you would have to be able to install software on your work PC to connect.

I personally find myself using Mesh's RD much more than Windows RD simply because I like how it handles multiple monitors better (No more having to rearrange my desktop icons after RD into my workstation from my laptop).

You could also use a multitude of VNC options.

bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004

It's mysterious what attracts you to a post...


OMGWTFJohnny posted:

Nearly all vista drivers run for windows 7, I've had no trouble plugging my epson printers in and they run fine, your HP should work. Only thing I have had fail to work is an Acer specific driver in my laptop.

Thanks. Finished upgrading and everything works without even having to update drivers. This is pretty hot.

Skillo
Aug 3, 2003
Jesus is coming! Quick, everyone look busy!

So I can't control the brightness of my notebook screen on Windows 7.

It has a crappy Sis Mirage chipset. Thing is, it worked fine on Vista.

I can't do it via the keyboard hotkeys either. Now my battery lasts a lot less when unplugged from the AC...

Anyone has this chipset on their notebook and is having problems too? Using the lastest driver provided via Windows Update, the newer ones from Sis website didn't help any

Xenomorph
Jun 13, 2001


wang souffle posted:

Does Home Premium really not allow you to connect via Remote Desktop? I'd like to be able to connect from work if possible. I checked the first and last few pages, but haven't seen any mention of this.

Why would we mention this?

Nothing has changed with the home versions of Windows 7 compared to previous edition as far as I know.

Vista Home didn't let you connect to it.
XP Home didn't let you connect to it.
Win9x didn't let you connect to it.

Something like LogMeIn will let you connect to a Home version of Windows.

TangyRaptor
Apr 10, 2006
Seasoning not included.


So I just installed 7100 (was on 7000) and now I'm having an issue with Firefox hanging for around 30 seconds every now and then. As far as I can tell, I've installed the same software with the exception of installing AVG 8.5 instead of NOD32 (license expired). I disabled the resident shield in AVG and I did not install the link checker but I'm still having the same issue. I've also deleted my profile, reinstalled Firefox and reinstalled my extensions. I'm using Firefox 3.5 and only extensions compatible with 3.5. Any ideas?

Edit: I've only notice it happen when I'm in Firefox but when it happens I can switch between applications but no other application responds either. Task manager also will not open until everything "unhangs"

TangyRaptor fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Jun 29, 2009

c0burn
Sep 2, 2003

The KKKing


Install Firefox 3.5 rc3

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames


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TangyRaptor posted:

So I just installed 7100 (was on 7000) and now I'm having an issue with Firefox hanging for around 30 seconds every now and then. As far as I can tell, I've installed the same software with the exception of installing AVG 8.5 instead of NOD32 (license expired). I disabled the resident shield in AVG and I did not install the link checker but I'm still having the same issue. I've also deleted my profile, reinstalled Firefox and reinstalled my extensions. I'm using Firefox 3.5 and only extensions compatible with 3.5. Any ideas?

Edit: I've only notice it happen when I'm in Firefox but when it happens I can switch between applications but no other application responds either. Task manager also will not open until everything "unhangs"

Have you tried installing some of the 72xx builds?

TangyRaptor
Apr 10, 2006
Seasoning not included.


Edit: Double post, sorry

TangyRaptor
Apr 10, 2006
Seasoning not included.


c0burn posted:

Install Firefox 3.5 rc3

I'm running Firefox 3.5.30729. I'm guessing that's RC3?

fishmech posted:

Have you tried installing some of the 72xx builds?

Can I upgrade to this? I just finished reinstalling all my apps, it would suck to do this when I don't even know if it will fix the issue.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames


Salad Prong

TangyRaptor posted:

I'm running Firefox 3.5.30729. I'm guessing that's RC3?


Can I upgrade to this? I just finished reinstalling all my apps, it would suck to do this when I don't even know if it will fix the issue.

Yes, you can upgrade, although it takes a good 15 minutes longer than a clean install. I had a bunch of weird problems in the RC build that the 72xx builds fixed.

TangyRaptor
Apr 10, 2006
Seasoning not included.


fishmech posted:

Yes, you can upgrade, although it takes a good 15 minutes longer than a clean install. I had a bunch of weird problems in the RC build that the 72xx builds fixed.

Do you have a link to a verified 72xx build that you would recommend? There's a lot of crap on torrent sites.

Kyre
Feb 21, 2002


I don't want to be an alarmist but it seems to be there's a lot of confusion about this. We are a Microsoft gold certified partner (we paid our annual dues) and as such get invited to these events at the local MS offices. Last Friday one of my co-workers went to this partner breakfast/Windows 7 build session(some MS engineers were on-site to watch them/help do installs on hardware that was brought). The MS rep there told him (my co-worker) that RC1 would not upgrade to the release and that he'd have to do a re-install for release. This of course prompted my co-worker to leave early since he didn't want to bother with an install if he was going to have to do it again later this year.

I wasn't there personally so this is all second hand. I didn't see this covered before in this thread so ignore if it was.

Edit: Ok. First I'd heard of it. Saw the question a few times scanning the thread.

Kyre fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Jun 29, 2009

xamphear
Apr 9, 2002

SILK FOR CALDÉ!

Kyre posted:

I didn't see this covered before in this thread so ignore if it was.
It has been. Quite a few times, actually. Microsoft has been saying for a long time that the RTM build won't let you upgrade from the RC.

TangyRaptor
Apr 10, 2006
Seasoning not included.


Kyre posted:

I don't want to be an alarmist but it seems to be there's a lot of confusion about this. We are a Microsoft gold certified partner (we paid our annual dues) and as such get invited to these events at the local MS offices. Last Friday one of my co-workers went to this partner breakfast/Windows 7 build session(some MS engineers were on-site to watch them/help do installs on hardware that was brought). The MS rep there told him (my co-worker) that RC1 would not upgrade to the release and that he'd have to do a re-install for release. This of course prompted my co-worker to leave early since he didn't want to bother with an install if he was going to have to do it again later this year.

I wasn't there personally so this is all second hand. I didn't see this covered before in this thread so ignore if it was.

I'm not sure if there's a question but if you're asking for confirmation, that's correct. Pre-release builds will not upgrade to the retail build.

Xeom
Mar 16, 2007


If i do an upgrade from windows XP what does windows 7 do with the cd-key?

Can i still install XP on another pc? does windows 7 even check the cd-key or just for a installation.

bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004

It's mysterious what attracts you to a post...


c0burn posted:

Install Firefox 3.5 rc3

Thanks for this, I was having the same issue.

TangyRaptor
Apr 10, 2006
Seasoning not included.


bradzilla posted:

Thanks for this, I was having the same issue.

Were you having the same issues as me? If so I guess I'll try reinstalling Firefox again.

Captain Libido
Jun 17, 2003


Xeom posted:

If i do an upgrade from windows XP what does windows 7 do with the cd-key?

Can i still install XP on another pc? does windows 7 even check the cd-key or just for a installation.

If it's like the Vista upgrade, the XP key becomes invalidated.

Helvetica Sucks
Aug 4, 2005
I've got a new brain.

Never thought I'd say this, but I actually like Windows Media Player 12 (at least for videos and DVDs). I've used Media Player Classic for a long time, but WMP has played everything I've thrown at it so far and the interface is nice and minimalist. Anyone else feel this way, or does WMP suck for video playback in some other way?

Full Circle
Feb 20, 2008



Every once and awhile winamp seems to spike to 25% cpu usage on my quad core. I can't pin down what is causing it but I need to close it and sometimes restart my PC to fix the problem. This never happened with the same version of winamp on xp. I'm wondering if anyone else is seeing anything similiar.

agonytuesday
Aug 24, 2007
whatever floats your boat

so I just installed the win7 RC and the installation made the windows.old folder with all of my old poo poo in it. my question is whether dragging program folders from the old Program Files (x86) to the new one will allow me to bypass installing all of my old programs, and allow them to still work. I was running the original win7 beta before, by the way.

all I need is a simple yes or no, unless the yes is complicated.
thanks

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames


Salad Prong

agonytuesday posted:

so I just installed the win7 RC and the installation made the windows.old folder with all of my old poo poo in it. my question is whether dragging program folders from the old Program Files (x86) to the new one will allow me to bypass installing all of my old programs, and allow them to still work. I was running the original win7 beta before, by the way.

all I need is a simple yes or no, unless the yes is complicated.
thanks

Did you upgrade or did you clan install? If you upgraded they're already in program files, otherwise, no it won't work.

agonytuesday
Aug 24, 2007
whatever floats your boat

fishmech posted:

Did you upgrade or did you clean install? If you upgraded they're already in program files, otherwise, no it won't work.

I had the beta running, ran the BETA RC disc, chose custom install because it said that the version of windows I was running could not be upgraded, and now I'm running the RC, but none of the program files are in either Program Files folders. not the new ones anyway. They are still in the program files folders in the Windows.old folder.

Messadiah
Jan 12, 2001



Running 7100, trying to setup a task to run and play a playlist in WMP is being a tad annoying for me. The task runs perfectly aside from the fact that it doesn't actually open WMP, so my music is playing with no way to close the program or stop the music... I've been just rebooting to shut it up. Could someone else see if they can replicate this or tell me if this is fixed in the latest builds or is a fluke only I am experiencing?

Good Dog
Oct 16, 2008

Who threw this cat at me?

Clapping Larry

Is there a patch out to remove the Build 7100 sign from the corner of my desktop? I know someone made one for the 7000 beta to remove the "report problems" link and the build 7000 watermark.

kapinga
Oct 12, 2005

I am not a number

agonytuesday posted:

I had the beta running, ran the BETA RC disc, chose custom install because it said that the version of windows I was running could not be upgraded, and now I'm running the RC, but none of the program files are in either Program Files folders. not the new ones anyway. They are still in the program files folders in the Windows.old folder.

You will need to reinstall your programs. You might be able to copy the settings from C:\Windows.old\Documents and Settings\<username>\AppData\ to C:\Users\<username\Appdata\Roaming (I'm assuming by the message you got you were running XP), but copying the program files themselves will largely be ineffective.

Messadiah posted:

Running 7100, trying to setup a task to run and play a playlist in WMP is being a tad annoying for me. The task runs perfectly aside from the fact that it doesn't actually open WMP, so my music is playing with no way to close the program or stop the music... I've been just rebooting to shut it up. Could someone else see if they can replicate this or tell me if this is fixed in the latest builds or is a fluke only I am experiencing?

The quick way to kill the task: open the task manager, click "Show processes from all users", select wmplayer.exe, right click and kill it. The music should stop playing.

Tasks that have the capability to wake the computer must run with Admin privileges. Such tasks cannot interact with the desktop - hence no WMP window, even though its playing.

One suggestion would be to make two separate tasks, one that wakes the computer and little else (say run 'echo test'), and a second to actually play the music, but I haven't done this myself and cannot guarantee that it would fix your problem.

EpicNemesis
Dec 3, 2005


How long did it take for window 7 to boot up the first time? I just installed it and it seems to be frozen at startup, I got passed the boot screen but now it just says "windows 7 Evaluation copy. Build 7100" in the bottom right corner of a black screen.

Good Dog
Oct 16, 2008

Who threw this cat at me?

Clapping Larry

EpicNemesis posted:

How long did it take for window 7 to boot up the first time? I just installed it and it seems to be frozen at startup, I got passed the boot screen but now it just says "windows 7 Evaluation copy. Build 7100" in the bottom right corner of a black screen.

The installation itself took me about 3 hours but once it installed it started up like normal, iirc. Try rebooting?

EpicNemesis
Dec 3, 2005


OMGWTFJohnny posted:

The installation itself took me about 3 hours but once it installed it started up like normal, iirc. Try rebooting?

Rebooted three times now, I'm going to reinstall to see if that fixes it. It installed in less than an hour, rebooted itself, gets passed the startup screen and then just hangs on a black screen. This is a x64 install too if that changes anything.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




EpicNemesis posted:

Rebooted three times now, I'm going to reinstall to see if that fixes it. It installed in less than an hour, rebooted itself, gets passed the startup screen and then just hangs on a black screen. This is a x64 install too if that changes anything.

Does it take its sweet drat time to get through the startup screen?

How much RAM do you have?

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EpicNemesis
Dec 3, 2005


Sir Unimaginative posted:

Does it take its sweet drat time to get through the startup screen?

How much RAM do you have?

4 gigs of ram, it gets through the startup screen really quickly then just hangs on the black screen with the little info I mentioned in my first post in the bottom right corner of the screen. I'm reinstalling it now hopefully it will fix whatever was wrong.
EDIT: I'm a retard and forgot that I setup my TV as a second monitor, which for some reason defaulted to my main monitor.

EpicNemesis fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Jun 30, 2009

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