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Carecat
Apr 27, 2004



Buglord

c0burn posted:

There are no upgrades in Europe because the EU and Microsoft are a bunch of babies.

Somehow Overclockers are selling Vista with Windows 7 "upgrade vouchers"
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showp...rodid=SW-122-MS

At least there is a 50 pre-order offer.

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Ryokurin
Jul 14, 2001

Wanna Die?

jeeves posted:

RTM comes out monday.


So I am curious, with the Release To Manufacturers version being released-- how will the betas and such work? Do they expire once the full Win7 public release occurs, or such? Also, folks that download the RTM-- will they work until the release as well, using the beta keys?

the RTM will not be released. it will be available for manufactures, and will be made into retail copies, but that's it. RTM is just the same as saying "gold", the final copy. Beta 1 is already rebooting every two hours, and RC1 will be fine until March 1, 2010 when it will start rebooting every two hours as well.

Charles Martel
Mar 7, 2007

"The Hero of the Age..."

The hero of all ages


LooseChanj posted:

No, it's a server thing and if you don't know what it is you don't need it. You can copy files and whatnot with Home.

Gotcha, just wanted to make sure Professional wasn't missing any "home-centric" versions before the promo expired. I've gotten along fine with all of the Home versions in the past, so I'll stick with my Home Premium pre-order*.

*Unless the OEM version isn't that much more when it's released, then I'd rather have that.

Ryokurin
Jul 14, 2001

Wanna Die?

Remember with OEM versions, it really is supposed to follow the hardware it's installed on. No major upgrades and keeping the same install, even if the upgrade is replacing damaged hardware. It also does not have phone support if that's important to you.

Unexpected EOF
Dec 8, 2008

I'm a Bro-ny!

Ryokurin posted:

Remember with OEM versions, it really is supposed to follow the hardware it's installed on. No major upgrades and keeping the same install, even if the upgrade is replacing damaged hardware. It also does not have phone support if that's important to you.

Really? I've called MS after major system upgrades for OEM versions plenty of times.

PabloBOOM
Mar 10, 2004
Hunchback of DOOM

I haven't been able to dig up an answer for this and was wandering if you guys could point out any documentation for it. I have a site-licensed version of Vista Ultimate courtesy of my university. I imagine that I would not be allowed to purchase an upgrade copy of Win7, though I can't find anything forbidding it in the EULA from my University or Vista. The keywords I threw at Google didn't help either. Any insight you guys can provide?

Edit- The site-license EULA does say that so long as I get my MA then I am allowed to keep it after I leave the Uni, in case anyone is worrying about the license expiring.

Neptune Blue
Jan 31, 2006

"Step away from the Acorn"

MaxPC posted some "great" news about installing Windows 7 upgrades. Every time you want to reinstall it you have to install and activate XP or Vista first, not just a disc/key check.
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/ne...0%99s_installed

m2pt5
May 18, 2005

THAT GOD DAMN MOSQUITO JUST KEEPS COMING BACK


Welp, glad I didn't preorder the upgrade. I guess I'll go for an OEM/system builders version then.

Factor Mystic
Mar 19, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

PabloBOOM: It wouldn't have expired anyway, it just would have been against the terms of the agreement you signed when you bought it to keep it without graduating. Your license probably doesn't prohibit you from upgrading to Win 7, if that's what you're asking.

kapinga
Oct 12, 2005

I am not a number

Neptune Blue posted:

MaxPC posted some "great" news about installing Windows 7 upgrades. Every time you want to reinstall it you have to install and activate XP or Vista first, not just a disc/key check.
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/ne...0%99s_installed

That sucks, but at least we know.

On a positive note, since we're all running the RC, this is from that article's source:

http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/arc...gets_an_an.html

Dwight Silverman posted:

So far, there's been no clear guidance on this from Microsoft - until now. I've been asking a spokesman for the company about this for about a month, and he's finally been able to offer an answer.

It's an interesting one.

If you are running the Windows 7 Release Candidate, and you have activated it, you will not need to reinstall an older version of Windows before using an Windows 7 upgrade disk.

Emphasis is the author's.

It sounds like we'll get official confirmation of this tomorrow.

Neptune Blue
Jan 31, 2006

"Step away from the Acorn"

kapinga posted:

That sucks, but at least we know.

On a positive note, since we're all running the RC, this is from that article's source:

http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/arc...gets_an_an.html


Emphasis is the author's.

It sounds like we'll get official confirmation of this tomorrow.

That sounds like it means we don't even have to own an older version of Windows to use the Windows 7 upgrade, as long as the RC is installed. I'm probably missing something, but that would be nice.

Charles Martel
Mar 7, 2007

"The Hero of the Age..."

The hero of all ages


quote:

If you are running the Windows 7 Release Candidate, and you have activated it, you will not need to reinstall an older version of Windows before using an Windows 7 upgrade disk.

This would be extremely good news, considering it could do a clean install and start from scratch.

Profane Obituary!
May 19, 2009

This Motherfucker is Dead


Guess i'm going to image my Win 7 RC so i can do clean installs at will. Since it's going to require an activated Windows the Vista trick won't work.

Ryokurin
Jul 14, 2001

Wanna Die?

Unexpected EOF posted:

Really? I've called MS after major system upgrades for OEM versions plenty of times.

Yep. They are not supposed to, but that is how the license reads and is probably the reason why a call is triggered. But those are the two main reasons why they say that they can offer the OEM software for cheaper than retail.

Crumbletron
Jul 21, 2006



IT'S YOUR BOY JESUS, MANE


What exactly does this mean for pre-built computers? My rig came with the same revert-to-factory-settings drive most pre-builts have. I used the software that came with it to burn a DVD version of the image. What'll happen if I end up wanting to reformat after having upgraded to 7? Will I need to stick use my DVDs to revert back to Vista and then be able to re-upgrade without issue?

The main things I'm worried is what happens to your key/activation when you revert back to factory settings, how that's affected by upgrading the OS, if it'll be activated upon reverting as well as if I'll need to call up Microsoft every time I re-upgrade to 7 after going back to Vista for a "format".

Gah, this is turning out into more of a hassle than I figured, I should've just built my own and went with an OEM copy like I always do.

kapinga
Oct 12, 2005

I am not a number

Neptune Blue posted:

That sounds like it means we don't even have to own an older version of Windows to use the Windows 7 upgrade, as long as the RC is installed. I'm probably missing something, but that would be nice.

That's certainly what the quote implies, although the limitation is "activated" copy of the RC. If your hard drive dies and you re-install a year from now, activating your copy of the RC will be tricky.

Parachute Underwear posted:

What exactly does this mean for pre-built computers? My rig came with the same revert-to-factory-settings drive most pre-builts have. I used the software that came with it to burn a DVD version of the image. What'll happen if I end up wanting to reformat after having upgraded to 7? Will I need to stick use my DVDs to revert back to Vista and then be able to re-upgrade without issue?

The main things I'm worried is what happens to your key/activation when you revert back to factory settings, how that's affected by upgrading the OS, if it'll be activated upon reverting as well as if I'll need to call up Microsoft every time I re-upgrade to 7 after going back to Vista for a "format".

Gah, this is turning out into more of a hassle than I figured, I should've just built my own and went with an OEM copy like I always do.

You are legally allowed to have either the old Vista copy OR the upgrade copy of 7 installed at any one time. If you delete 7 and reinstall Vista, it will have to run the activation tool to activate Vista. It might fail, but you can call the phone number and get a perfectly legitimate reactivation.

What I would like more clarity on is the ability to use an existing activated 7 install to run the upgrade again. If that's the case (and it almost certainly is), all you guys who like reinstalling every six months can just do a clean upgrade when you reinstall.

Ryokurin
Jul 14, 2001

Wanna Die?

Parachute Underwear posted:

What exactly does this mean for pre-built computers? My rig came with the same revert-to-factory-settings drive most pre-builts have. I used the software that came with it to burn a DVD version of the image. What'll happen if I end up wanting to reformat after having upgraded to 7? Will I need to stick use my DVDs to revert back to Vista and then be able to re-upgrade without issue?

The main things I'm worried is what happens to your key/activation when you revert back to factory settings, how that's affected by upgrading the OS, if it'll be activated upon reverting as well as if I'll need to call up Microsoft every time I re-upgrade to 7 after going back to Vista for a "format".

Gah, this is turning out into more of a hassle than I figured, I should've just built my own and went with an OEM copy like I always do.

You could A) install your image, and then reinstall 7. or B) find a OEM copy of Vista suitable for your system and install with your systems existing key, and install 7. If you do A then you shouldn't have to ever worry about activation since it usually uses bios information to verify itself. With 7 installed it will revert to the standard way that normal systems uses, checking the existence of various parts of the machine.

Something tells me that the old trick that worked in Vista will work in 7 as well. That was install the OS once without entering the key and then reinstall entering your key and choosing custom install.

m2pt5
May 18, 2005

THAT GOD DAMN MOSQUITO JUST KEEPS COMING BACK


Ryokurin posted:

Something tells me that the old trick that worked in Vista will work in 7 as well. That was install the OS once without entering the key and then reinstall entering your key and choosing custom install.

Except for the fact that it will require an activated install to be on the hard drive before it will install.

1997
Jan 20, 2008

calmer than you are

m2pt5 posted:

Except for the fact that it will require an activated install to be on the hard drive before it will install.

How do you know? Vista didn't do that.

m2pt5
May 18, 2005

THAT GOD DAMN MOSQUITO JUST KEEPS COMING BACK


1997 posted:

How do you know? Vista didn't do that.

Neptune Blue posted:

MaxPC posted some "great" news about installing Windows 7 upgrades. Every time you want to reinstall it you have to install and activate XP or Vista first, not just a disc/key check.
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/ne...0%99s_installed
Emphasis mine.

Crumbletron
Jul 21, 2006



IT'S YOUR BOY JESUS, MANE


Ryokurin posted:

You could A) install your image, and then reinstall 7. or B) find a OEM copy of Vista suitable for your system and install with your systems existing key, and install 7. If you do A then you shouldn't have to ever worry about activation since it usually uses bios information to verify itself. With 7 installed it will revert to the standard way that normal systems uses, checking the existence of various parts of the machine.

Something tells me that the old trick that worked in Vista will work in 7 as well. That was install the OS once without entering the key and then reinstall entering your key and choosing custom install.

Okay, that sounds good then. Honestly, this system's pretty stable and I really shouldn't have to reformat too often, but it's good to know I won't be screwed or have to do a bunch of ridiculous stuff just to get back to a clean install. That said, hey, it was $70 CDN so whatever, that's the cheapest I've ever had to pay for an OS.

Unexpected EOF
Dec 8, 2008

I'm a Bro-ny!

Ryokurin posted:

Yep. They are not supposed to, but that is how the license reads and is probably the reason why a call is triggered. But those are the two main reasons why they say that they can offer the OEM software for cheaper than retail.

I just lie and say that I'm doing on-contract repair work at a company and a UPS blew out so we had to replace the motherboard if they start pushing. They just go "Oh, okay" after that.

1997
Jan 20, 2008

calmer than you are

m2pt5 posted:

Emphasis mine.

Very well then. Looks like I won't be buying any upgrade copies for any reason.

lazydog
Apr 15, 2003


m2pt5 posted:

Emphasis mine.

Eh, we'll see. I may be mistaken, but I haven't seen this posted officially anywhere by Microsoft. Your link's reference is a blog that says a Microsoft spokesman told him. Purple monkey dishwasher.

kapinga
Oct 12, 2005

I am not a number

lazydog posted:

Eh, we'll see. I may be mistaken, but I haven't seen this posted officially anywhere by Microsoft. Your link's reference is a blog that says a Microsoft spokesman told him. Purple monkey dishwasher.

I was going to say we'll likely find out tomorrow, but it looks like RTM is delayed.

I can't speak to the reputability of the source, but they appear to have also been the initial source of the July 13th date.

Unexpected EOF
Dec 8, 2008

I'm a Bro-ny!

kapinga posted:

I was going to say we'll likely find out tomorrow, but it looks like RTM is delayed.

I can't speak to the reputability of the source, but they appear to have also been the initial source of the July 13th date.

Honestly, if there are major bugs, I'm glad there's a delay.

Kazy
Oct 23, 2006

THIS DOG CAN DRIVE!



Is there a way to edit Launch Options in the Games menu? It's nice having all these games in one place, but it's killing me that I can't edit the launch options, or even change what the shortcut launches, like I could in Vista.

The King of Swag
Nov 10, 2005

To escape the closure,
is to become the God of Swag.

You have to be loving kidding me. I added the discounted Home Premium Upgrade to my Amazon Cart and started the checkout process. I ended up having to put in a new CC# because my old card had expired, and in the time it took for me to enter the new number, the discount ended and Amazon updated my order to the full price. I literally just lost $70 thanks to a matter of two minutes at most. Also, gently caress Amazon for not honoring the price once it was already in my cart.

Xenomorph
Jun 13, 2001


m2pt5 posted:

Emphasis mine.

I know this must be horrible news to everyone, but the Windows "upgrade" process has always been poo poo to me, and I try to avoid it.

The whole "install your OS and then install the OS again as an upgrade" is retarded. It was a way for non-legit users to get away with feeling they had a legit copy because they paid something for it.

LooseChanj
Feb 17, 2006

Logicaaaaaaaaal!


Unexpected EOF posted:

I just lie and say that I'm doing on-contract repair work at a company and a UPS blew out so we had to replace the motherboard if they start pushing. They just go "Oh, okay" after that.

They're really not supposed to ask you anything except "is this the only computer it's installed on".

Mensur
Aug 1, 2007

EnGAYge!


.

Mensur fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Jun 14, 2013

beejay
Apr 7, 2002



Toilet Rascal

Well I think I'll be cancelling my preorder. Installing and activating XP and then 7 every time I want to reformat is not something I want to do. I got 2k and XP at massive educational discounts anyway and never bought/used Vista so I suppose it's time I pay up.

Heran Bago
Aug 18, 2006





From the OP:

quote:

Q: Can I upgrade Windows XP to Windows 7?
A: No. Upgrading from Windows XP is not possible (nor will it be in the Final, although migration tools will be provided) and requires a clean installation.

...

Q: What do I need to qualify for an upgrade edition of Windows 7?
A: Windows 7 upgrade editions are valid for upgrading from either Windows XP or Windows Vista. Note that certain types of upgrades, notably from XP to 7, or 32-bit to 64-bit, will require a complete reinstallation of your system, but from a licensing standpoint you'll be validated.

Can I upgrade from XP with a Windows 7 upgrade disc or not? I also have the latest Windows 7 RC disc image and a valid key for that, which would work according to the more recent posts, but I'd like to skip the process if I can.

Charles Martel
Mar 7, 2007

"The Hero of the Age..."

The hero of all ages


Heran Bago posted:

From the OP:


Can I upgrade from XP with a Windows 7 upgrade disc or not? I also have the latest Windows 7 RC disc image and a valid key for that, which would work according to the more recent posts, but I'd like to skip the process if I can.

That just means you can't do an "in-place" upgrade, but you have to do a "clean install" where you have to re-install your drivers/applications, which I like better since there will be much less conflict with things.

kapinga
Oct 12, 2005

I am not a number

Heran Bago posted:

From the OP:


Can I upgrade from XP with a Windows 7 upgrade disc or not? I also have the latest Windows 7 RC disc image and a valid key for that, which would work according to the more recent posts, but I'd like to skip the process if I can.

What Charles Martel said, and to clarify you can use the upgrade disc to do it.

Cheesus
Oct 17, 2002

Let us retract the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wirebrush of enlightenment.

Yam Slacker

The King of Swag posted:

You have to be loving kidding me. I added the discounted Home Premium Upgrade to my Amazon Cart and started the checkout process. I ended up having to put in a new CC# because my old card had expired, and in the time it took for me to enter the new number, the discount ended and Amazon updated my order to the full price. I literally just lost $70 thanks to a matter of two minutes at most. Also, gently caress Amazon for not honoring the price once it was already in my cart.
I've been following the last Windows Blog entry "Announcing the Windows 7 Upgrade Option Program & Windows 7 Pricing Bring on GA!" (http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/wi...ring-on-ga.aspx) where everyone is universally displeased by the pricing. On the final page of comments is an excellent idea for Apple's fall commercial:

quote:

Apple Upgrade Commercial 2009 (RC1)

PC: I'm a PC

Mac: I'm a Mac

PC: Hi Mac, looks like it's time to do that upgrade thing again!

Mac: You're right PC, I've got a new cat coming, Snow Leopard!

PC: Me too, I've got a new number coming, 7!

Mac: Sounds like a good number!

PC: Yup, you betcha! I can't wait. I have Ultimate too so I'll be getting 7 ULTIMATE!

Mac: I have Leopard so I'll be getting Snow Leopard.

PC: My upgrade is only going to cost $219! What a deal for THE ULTIMATE!

Mac: Really PC? My Snow Leopard is only going to cost me $29?

PC: <Shocked> That can't be!?

Mac: It's true.

PC: Come to think of it, I'm going to have to get the Mrs. one and PC jr. one also. That'll be $657.

Mac: Well, for my wife and our three Mac minis it's only going to be $49.

PC: <turning a bright shade of red> FOR ALL OF YOU!!!

Mac: Yup, you betcha!!

<Fade to Apple Logo>

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

I'm so unhappy with the Windows 7 pricing I am not buying it. I guess Vista will have to do. Unbelievable MS, you just hosed your best customers. There is a recession going on you stupid fucks.

univbee
Jun 3, 2004





kapinga posted:

I was going to say we'll likely find out tomorrow, but it looks like RTM is delayed.

I can't speak to the reputability of the source, but they appear to have also been the initial source of the July 13th date.

Now that update says the RTM has been compiled (build 7600) and should leak soon. Well then.

EDIT: I had a look around and it looks like it's in the process of being uploaded to various locations, which seems to corroborate that link. Nothing on MSDN yet, though.

univbee fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Jul 12, 2009

Factor Mystic
Mar 19, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

Heran Bago posted:

From the OP:


Can I upgrade from XP with a Windows 7 upgrade disc or not? I also have the latest Windows 7 RC disc image and a valid key for that, which would work according to the more recent posts, but I'd like to skip the process if I can.

It's a collision between "use an upgrade license" and "perform an upgrade of the system". You can use an upgrade license but it will wipe the system.

beejay posted:

Well I think I'll be cancelling my preorder. Installing and activating XP and then 7 every time I want to reformat is not something I want to do.
"Every time"? How many times is that? My desktop has been running Vista from the first install I did in early 2007 when I got this copy of Vista. That's 1 install. That's all I needed. That's all anyone needs. Reinstalling every 6 months or whatever is something you had to do 10 years ago, not today.

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revolther
May 27, 2008


The one gripe I've had with Windows 7 is small but irritating, and only applies to laptops. Previously in Vista you could click your battery meter and get an option to change between 3 common power settings, High Performance/Balanced/Power Saver by default.

Now it's only two options, they literally saved an eighth of an inch of screen, and made it irritating to go from High Performance to Power Saver if I'm say, undocking my laptop or moving my power source to a different location and have a bum battery.

So irritating.

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