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VogeGandire posted:It's funny because I know exactly the punch you're talking about. It looks hilariously bad. It looks like Sid forgot what he was doing mid-punch. I always assumed it was Sid's way of expressing that he was gonna hit Vader really hard, but your explanation is better because it's both funnier and more likely. How do we not have a Sid-based smiley?
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Matlock posted:Does anyone have video of Bob Holly pinning Chris Benoit in 1995, in a WWF dark match? I think it was on a DVD. As far as I know, this is the only picture or video of Benoit's WWF try outs. 
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El Gallinero Gros posted:If you wanna see a REALLY bad worked punch, watch or FF through HBK vs Mankind at Mind Games when Sid and Vader get involved, Sid throws an incredibly bad punch at Vader that has to be seen to be believed. Can someone post a video of this, please? I'm looking all over Youtube, but I can't find it and it sounds absolutely hilarious.
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GB888 posted:Can someone post a video of this, please? I'm looking all over Youtube, but I can't find it and it sounds absolutely hilarious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG-l6Wxo6As&t=1955s 32:30
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Mar 17, 2013 17:08
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 Sid is so incredible and terrible at the same time. Thanks for finding this.
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Mar 17, 2013 17:53
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Paul Bearer going  not long after that is great, too.
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Someone mentioned that the original plan for WM13, had HBK not lost his smile, was that Bret was to catch a SCM and work it until it broke. Bret would win by stoppage. Basically the same psychology of Austin/Hart, but differently applied. Is this really what the plan was?
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Perdido posted:Paul Bearer going I could watch Paul giving urn shots all day. He was brilliant for just coming out of nowhere, bonk, scuttle away.
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Perry Normal posted:As far as I know, this is the only picture or video of Benoit's WWF try outs. It blows my mind that the WWF never filmed his tryout match with Owen.
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:It blows my mind that the WWF never filmed his tryout match with Owen. They were just starting early on erasing him from history.
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Not to bring this topic up again butHalloween Jack posted:He did say this, but I think that's a reference to his supposed reputation as a huge slut during his indie days. So he had a bunch of one-night stands and didn't call any of the ladies again, what a cad! He's had relationships within the business, but I don't know if he ever cheated. I believe there was a small thing where he was doing a radio interview and let slip some critical comments that were probably about Beth Phoenix; Beth and unfollowed he and Lita on Twitter after he appeared on Lita's show, but that doesn't mean anything happened there. Punk is believed to have cheated on Traci Brooks and Daffney at the same time. Not sure if Traci or Daffney ever confirmed the story. It's generally regarded as true though.
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:It blows my mind that the WWF never filmed his tryout match with Owen. Dude was 5'8. What's a 5'8 guy going to do in wrestling that's impressive? Kevin Nash however does a sloppy powerbomb. Gotta film that.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Dude was 5'8. What's a 5'8 guy going to do in wrestling that's impressive? Kevin Nash however does a sloppy powerbomb. Gotta film that. From what I remember, WWF wanted to sign him and push him (midcard push) but Benoit wanted to still work in Japan. WCW claimed they'd let him still work in Japan but it only happened in his first year. I've also heard they didn't offer him a contract but it's kind of rare for a guy to get three tryout matches, a promo and a manager without them being interested in signing him. Benoit in mid 90s WWF would have been interesting. They worked him as a member of the Million Dollar Corporation and called him the Pegasus Kid, which I doubt would have lasted. I honestly think he would have been given a push simply for the fact the company was bone dry in 1995 on skilled guys and there was only so much they could do with Bret/Owen/HBK/Bulldog. Paper Jam Dipper fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Mar 17, 2013 |
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VogeGandire posted:It's funny because I know exactly the punch you're talking about. It looks hilariously bad. It looks like Sid forgot what he was doing mid-punch. VogeGandire posted:It's funny because I know exactly the punch you're talking about. It looks hilariously bad. It looks like Sid forgot what he was doing mid-punch. I wanted to be all  but it turns out Andy Kaufman was 6'1".
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Mar 18, 2013 05:28
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Looks like Scott Hall is getting a new hip and whatnot. 20 days left of the fundraiser thing and it is at $83k of the $80k goal.
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Neodoomium posted:About as true as any US History book you were given in elementary school. LordPants posted:One of them (The WCW one?) was really, really, bad. I'm not sure how bad that one is however. But it goes doubly so for WCW stuff, they just love burying them them and rewriting history. Yeah, I watched the Monday Night War DVD and the part about Vince Russo just appearing out of nowhere (although he was former WWF writing staff) and ruining everything sounds real fuckin' off. I think I was supposed to be watching the Rise and Fall of WCW one.
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no that's actually accurate, Vince Russo was a major part of ruining everything for WCW
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Cardboard Box posted:no that's actually accurate, Vince Russo was a major part of ruining everything for WCW I meant the part where WWE totally glossed over his former involvement with them before coming to WCW. I dunno!
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Mar 18, 2013 10:04
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Vince Russo should be sent to North Korea wearing clothes and a hat with the US flag on it.
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Gonz posted:Vince Russo should be sent to North Korea wearing clothes and a hat with the US flag on it. Actually, can I ask that question here? I have a general idea that he was like, a bad writer and all, but why exactly is he so hated, on a more specific level than "bringing down WCW?"
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Jefferoo posted:Actually, can I ask that question here? I have a general idea that he was like, a bad writer and all, but why exactly is he so hated, on a more specific level than "bringing down WCW?" He just had lots of awful ideas and no-one to tell him they were awful. Plus he just threw money around at anything that took his fancy.
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he's also been quoted as saying lovely things like only white people can be top stars in North America.
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Ah, weird. And why does everyone hate Rob Van Dam? Any specific incidents/reasons?
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there's no big industry-wide hatred of RVD, internet fans just don't like him because he's gotten really lazy and sloppy in the past ~6 years and is basically a shell of his former self, while also not putting people over at this point in his career like he should be.
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Jefferoo posted:Ah, weird. And why does everyone hate Rob Van Dam? Any specific incidents/reasons? Just a guy that can't work as good as he used to but still tries to work the same style he did when he could work. The guy just needs to either adapt to a slower style or hang it up.
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Jefferoo posted:Actually, can I ask that question here? I have a general idea that he was like, a bad writer and all, but why exactly is he so hated, on a more specific level than "bringing down WCW?" Just marvel at this book he wrote:  "One man's journey from self-glorification to sanctification" Yeah.
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Grendels Dad posted:Just marvel at this book he wrote: And even then, the entire book, instead of being a confession was just "IT WAS ALL NOT MY FAULT. EVERYTHING I DONE WRONG WAS ACTUALLY SOMEONE ELSE".
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Ghost written by Snitski.
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Grendels Dad posted:Just marvel at this book he wrote: 
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Grendels Dad posted:Just marvel at this book he wrote: Robert Downey Jr. would make a pretty great Vince Russo, it looks like.
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I Before E posted:Robert Downey Jr. would make a pretty great Vince Russo, it looks like. Kevin Corrigan would be better and cheaper, plus he has experience working with WWE Studios!
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Jefferoo posted:Actually, can I ask that question here? I have a general idea that he was like, a bad writer and all, but why exactly is he so hated, on a more specific level than "bringing down WCW?" He booked terribly misogynist stuff, like belittling Madusa for wanting to be a wrestler. He insisted that Japanese and Mexican workers could never get over, and booked the ones on his roster accordingly (Juventud Guerrera using a tequila bottle as a foreign weapon! . He booked swerves for the sake of swerves constantly, eschewing things like "logical booking" and "making money." He wanted to give Tank Abbott the WCW Championship with no build because no one would see it coming. He decided that a great way to get back at Jim Ross was to have someone come out and mock his physical disabilities. He gave David Arquette the World Championship thanks to DDP's help, which was dumb, and then had Arquette cost himself the belt and turn on DDP a couple of weeks later, which was dumber. He booked himself as the World Champion. He booked gimmick matches for no purpose and with no build. He takes credit for things he did not do. He lost $60 million in a year. He somehow was then hired by TNA and filled its early years with really stupid stuff, starting with its awful name, continuing on to The worst is, he refuses to take responsibility for his screw-ups. He has used religion as something to hide behind rather than face the facts that he did damage to people and was, basically, a gently caress up, and instead claims he's a victim. He played a major role in the wrestling industry entering its current state of a largely unmotivated, clear-cut #1 company that has no real challengers, and played that role by not being able to write a decent story line. He may have been, as Steve Austin apparently said, someone who could contribute good ideas if he was filtered, but once he was unfiltered, the only thing that was more evident than his inability to actually be a head booker was his gigantic ego.
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Grendels Dad posted:Just marvel at this book he wrote: It looks like he forgot to wipe the shaving foam from around his right ear. (Probably light or something, but still!)
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I just listened to an old interview about the Junkyard Invitational. Was that a Russo? At least three people were moderately injured in that match.
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I think Vince Russo must have been booking just for me in WCW's dying years. I loved Arquette as champ, all the hotshotting title changes, I couldn't get enough. In my mind it was exciting, like anything could happen in WCW! Whereas WWF was the same old stuff, Austin and Rock on top, bla bla bla. I still watched WWF all the time and hated missing a show, mind you. WCW just felt more "crazy" and unpredictable, in WWF you could see where things were going because they booked in a way that made sense.
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Rodney the Piper posted:
Russo had a lot of good ideas and probably more bad ideas, but as you said his fatal flaw was his ego. He's unable to evaluate his own ideas to filter the good from the bad and he's unable to evaluate his work to learn from his mistakes. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Mar 18, 2013 |
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Russo works best when he's got a strong hand to rein him in. When he's got someone who can edit his ideas and say "No, no, that's stupid." When he's got full control of storylines, things get jumbled and messed up. I will say that with him around, everyone had something to do or a reason to feud, even if that reason was stupid.
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Writer Cath posted:Russo works best when he's got a strong hand to rein him in. When he's got someone who can edit his ideas and say "No, no, that's stupid." When he's got full control of storylines, things get jumbled and messed up. If I recall correctly, when WWE brought him back in he had this big grandiose idea for a WCW invasion 2.0 and when Steph called it stupid, he pouted and went back to TNA.
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I really did enjoy his second (I think) book: Rope Opera: How WCW Killed Vince Russo It's like this constant stream of excuses, about how it's not his fault things went down bro, it's the fuckin POLITICS I wouldn't pay money for it or anything, I just enjoy insights into Russo's crazy mind. My library had it so I gave it a read. Hearing about how he got some severe concussions during his time as WCW Champ was pretty wild. Edit: According to Russo, he was brought in by WWE but they wanted him to work under Stephanie. He could basically see how this arrangement would be terrible, so he passed. I don't really fault him for that, considering how the WWE creative process has worked since Stephanie took over.
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triplexpac posted:It's like this constant stream of excuses, about how it's not his fault things went down bro, it's the fuckin POLITICS Death of WCW states he blamed Turner's Standards & Practices division for his problems.
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