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Who Killed WCW?
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Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004

Eh.



Lone Rogue posted:

Dusty Rhodes speaking normally fucks me right up.
Same thing with Randy Savage. First time I heard his normal voice I was completely .

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CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE


Grandpa Pap posted:

Same thing with Randy Savage. First time I heard his normal voice I was completely .

Really? It isn't much different from his promo voice.

WSAENOTSOCK
Apr 13, 2002


CombineThresher posted:

Really? It isn't much different from his promo voice.
Randy has a normal voice?

Can we get some clips for these?

Quasipox
Sep 6, 2008



LividLiquid posted:

Randy has a normal voice?

Can we get some clips for these?

Don't forget he can cut some rhymes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7jO3UofL3g

Found a related video that's a gem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53hi...feature=related

Dead Snoopy
Mar 23, 2005


Skinty McEdger posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQtn_Ek0C_g

He's still in character, but he is just so calm and normal.

Steiner is still such an impossible mark for himself - he's trying to downplay it but there is no off switch

PlasticSpoon
Apr 2, 2004


I can't find the match, but I found this..

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


PlasticSpoon posted:

I can't find the match, but I found this..



Is that from one of his TWO matches with Mancow?

PlasticSpoon
Apr 2, 2004


MassRayPer posted:

Is that from one of his TWO matches with Mancow?

Hardcore match with Norman Smiley. He borrowed the suit of armor from Lenny Paffo.

Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004

Eh.



LividLiquid posted:

Randy has a normal voice?

Can we get some clips for these?

I don't remember the context, but there was some interview or something years ago where he was talking and it was so unlike his usual "OOOOH YEAH DIG IT SNAP INTO A SLIM JIM" voice that it boggled my mind. I seem to recall that it was a lot deeper than I'd expected. If I manage to dig up some clips, I'll post 'em.

kdrudy
Sep 19, 2009



Grandpa Pap posted:

I don't remember the context, but there was some interview or something years ago where he was talking and it was so unlike his usual "OOOOH YEAH DIG IT SNAP INTO A SLIM JIM" voice that it boggled my mind. I seem to recall that it was a lot deeper than I'd expected. If I manage to dig up some clips, I'll post 'em.

Yea I'm pretty sure it's still deep and gravely but with less enthusiasm

Punch McLightning
Sep 19, 2005

family sticks together





Grimey Drawer

I keep meaning to type up a thing about some other dumb WCW thing, but I keep getting distracted by various shiny things. I did, however, come across the Shooter Mark Curtis while going over DDTDigest recaps. That brought back some smiles. I miss Shooter.

CVagts
Oct 19, 2009


Rodney the Piper posted:

I keep meaning to type up a thing about some other dumb WCW thing, but I keep getting distracted by various shiny things. I did, however, come across the Shooter Mark Curtis while going over DDTDigest recaps. That brought back some smiles. I miss Shooter.

Shooter ruled. He was the ref that UFC'd the one fan who ran in, right?

GrimGypsy
Mar 27, 2007



A touch late, but on the Steiner note...I found a pretty good shoot interview from some radio show with him talking about Ric Flair and HBK/HHH. He doesn't seem to care much for Flair, but does sound very logical and rational.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug8G...feature=related

Dragging Iron Feet
Nov 10, 2007

by T. Finn


GrimGypsy posted:

A touch late, but on the Steiner note...I found a pretty good shoot interview from some radio show with him talking about Ric Flair and HBK/HHH. He doesn't seem to care much for Flair, but does sound very logical and rational.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug8G...feature=related
Ehh, I prefer crazy Scott Steiner interviews like one in WOW where he referred to Flair as a "fat old buttsucking bastard" and speculated that Hogan and Ronald McDonald were the same person due to the red & yellow colour scheme.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


One of the greatest matches in WCW History:

Sid vs The Nightstalker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhdmUW6NHPA

HHH learned how to use his sledgehammer from this match.

Alvination
Aug 12, 2005

"Let me ask you something: what do women want?"

"Who cares?"

I don't know why, but the ending to this match always cracked me up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxJI6Z_Mo8Y

I loved Norman Smiley's reign as HC Champ.

JOHN CENA
Oct 20, 2006


MassRayPer posted:

One of the greatest matches in WCW History:

Sid vs The Nightstalker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhdmUW6NHPA

HHH learned how to use his sledgehammer from this match.

IS THAT A loving BATTLE AX?

LvK
Feb 27, 2006

FIVE STARS!!


dusty udder smoker posted:

IS THAT A loving BATTLE AX?

That was the only response I ever needed to make me watch a match. Holy poo poo, that was a loving battle axe. Or a "club-like thing", according to the commentary.

WSAENOTSOCK
Apr 13, 2002


Let me tell you a dumb WCW story. This is a rumor I hope isn't true.

What's this? LIVIDLIQUID is telling a dumb WCW story?

Yes, sir.

In 1998 on the Nitro just after Fall Brawl when Raven's Flock broke up, Billy Kidman got the biggest push of his career. He won the cruiserweight title and continued said push. It lasted well over a year.

WCW hired Mikey Whipwreck from ECW in 1999. Why? Because he was talented? No. They hired him because he held a pinfall victory over Stone Cold Steve Austin.

WCW debuted Whipwreck after months of speculation in an unannounced PPV match against Billy Kidman with no hype whatsoever. Rumor has it Whipwreck made money in the six-figure range.

Why would they do this, you ask? Was the man talented? Sure. Was his contract the result of said talent?

No.

So why?

So they could say their Cruiserweight champion beat a man clean who had beaten the WWF's heavyweight champion. Did they ever bring it up on television?

No. WCW never even mentioned the victory over Stone Cold outside of postings on their website and broadcasts on WCW Live.

Go WCW.

Punch McLightning
Sep 19, 2005

family sticks together





Grimey Drawer

CVagts posted:

Shooter ruled. He was the ref that UFC'd the one fan who ran in, right?

Yep. Fan rolled into the ring, Curtis dropped right on top of him and put him in a guillotine choke. This is notable because Curtis was very, very small - Wikipedia lists him as 5'6", 145.

Edit: Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX3hnt3rFdY

Punch McLightning fucked around with this message at 13:37 on Jan 11, 2010

Kammat
Feb 9, 2008
Odd Person

LividLiquid posted:

Let me tell you a dumb WCW story. This is a rumor I hope isn't true.

What's this? LIVIDLIQUID is telling a dumb WCW story?

Yes, sir.

[Total story here]

Jesus, Russo really did believe that fans did nothing but follow wrestling on the internet 24/7. Been picking over Death of WCW recently, and reminded me of Heenan's story on Goldberg meeting Mark McGwire, and WCW not doing a drat thing for free publicity.

Super Dan
Jan 26, 2006



Kammat posted:

Jesus, Russo really did believe that fans did nothing but follow wrestling on the internet 24/7. Been picking over Death of WCW recently, and reminded me of Heenan's story on Goldberg meeting Mark McGwire, and WCW not doing a drat thing for free publicity.

If this was in 1999, wouldn't that make it pre-Russo?

Kammat
Feb 9, 2008
Odd Person

Super Dan posted:

If this was in 1999, wouldn't that make it pre-Russo?

He came in at some point in 1999, so I might be slightly off.

Deranged Hermit
Nov 10, 2004

by Tiny Fistpump


Kammat posted:

He came in at some point in 1999, so I might be slightly off.

October, I believe.

DJExile
Jun 27, 2007



This was the best use of Savage's voice ever and I refuse to hear otherwise.

Skinty McEdger
Mar 9, 2008

I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!



Whipwreck was hired by Eric Bischoff at the same time they hired the Sandman. The entire 'Hardcore Hak/James' run was stupidity of the worst degree, not helped by WCW hiring a porn star to be Hak's valet/Ravens sister and the entire Raven as Ferris Bueller angle.

Both Hak and Whipwreck ended up getting injured in the Junkyard battle royale at Bash at the Beach, which cost $100,000 to put on and was only advertised on the Thunder before hand. It should be noted few people picked up on Hak getting injured in the match because the crack camera crew managed to avoid showing him at all in the match. The only reason anyone knows he was in the drat thing is because he has a scar to show from the match.

Seriously for everything you can say about WCW in the Russo era, that which went just before it was just as bad if not worse in someways.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW



I raise you Space Ghost: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSaHgpfi-Fw

DJExile
Jun 27, 2007



Lone Rogue posted:

I raise you Space Ghost: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSaHgpfi-Fw

I have been bested, and am undone.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE


Rodney the Piper posted:

Yep. Fan rolled into the ring, Curtis dropped right on top of him and put him in a guillotine choke. This is notable because Curtis was very, very small - Wikipedia lists him as 5'6", 145.

Curtis trained with Mick Foley in Denucci's wrestling school, and Mick put him over bigtime as a solid wrestler. He was just too small to be a wrestler in the 80s.

Skinty McEdger posted:

The entire 'Hardcore Hak/James' run was stupidity of the worst degree, not helped by WCW hiring a porn star to be Hak's valet/Ravens sister and the entire Raven as Ferris Bueller angle.

Stupid as it was, it did get Raven over and hiring a porn star was perfect for those two. Raven has said in shoot interviews that he was amazed at how well fans responded to those stupid vignettes that he thought would sink his career.

Skinty McEdger
Mar 9, 2008

I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!



CombineThresher posted:

Stupid as it was, it did get Raven over and hiring a porn star was perfect for those two. Raven has said in shoot interviews that he was amazed at how well fans responded to those stupid vignettes that he thought would sink his career.

This is true. It also led into the Saturn, Raven and Kanyon freebird style tag team that was insanely hot for the short term. Considering the history the three had before that point the crowd loved the idea of those three being tag champs together.

Then being WCW they moved the angle onto the New Jersey Triad. That was a lot less successful as it was just three guys. Or to be fairer to the angle DDP and two guys.

Suben
Jul 1, 2007

In 1985 Dr. Strange makes a rap album.


Skinty McEdger posted:

Whipwreck was hired by Eric Bischoff at the same time they hired the Sandman. The entire 'Hardcore Hak/James' run was stupidity of the worst degree, not helped by WCW hiring a porn star to be Hak's valet/Ravens sister and the entire Raven as Ferris Bueller angle.

Both Hak and Whipwreck ended up getting injured in the Junkyard battle royale at Bash at the Beach, which cost $100,000 to put on and was only advertised on the Thunder before hand. It should be noted few people picked up on Hak getting injured in the match because the crack camera crew managed to avoid showing him at all in the match. The only reason anyone knows he was in the drat thing is because he has a scar to show from the match.

Seriously for everything you can say about WCW in the Russo era, that which went just before it was just as bad if not worse in someways.

Isn't that also the match where Finlay hosed his leg up to the point where he basically had to retire for a good 5 or 6 years? Actually, I think drat near everybody that was in that match suffered some kind of injury.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE


Skinty McEdger posted:

Then being WCW they moved the angle onto the New Jersey Triad. That was a lot less successful as it was just three guys. Or to be fairer to the angle DDP and two guys.

Or to be just a trifle more accurate, DDP and Bam Bam and their mascot, Kanyon.

edit: Raven and Saturn were an AWESOME tag team.

Skinty McEdger
Mar 9, 2008

I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!



CombineThresher posted:

Or to be just a trifle more accurate, DDP and Bam Bam and their mascot, Kanyon.

To think without that angle there would've been no Positively Kanyon a year later. Sometimes good things do come from poo poo.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


CombineThresher posted:

Or to be just a trifle more accurate, DDP and Bam Bam and their mascot, Kanyon.

edit: Raven and Saturn were an AWESOME tag team.

I liked the Jersey Triad. I had friends who bitched they were trying to be Triple Threat. Even then I laughed at the idea of DDP "trying to be" Shane Douglas.

Raven and Saturn was an awesome tag team. That WCW Tag Team Tournament they did with Raven/Saturn, Malenko/Benoit and Hennig/Windham (Raven/Saturn were not in the tournament but feuded for the belts after, resulting in the phenomenal Malenko/Benoit vs. Raven/Saturn match). Except it had a retarded bracket.

http://www.prowrestlinghistory.com/...html#worldtag99

Benoit and Malenko get a second chance, and Horace Hogan and Byran Adams get *two* Semi-Final matches.

Nut Bunnies
May 24, 2005



Fun Shoe

What the loving HELL is going on in that goddamn bracket

Skinty McEdger
Mar 9, 2008

I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!



Captain Charisma posted:

What the loving HELL is going on in that goddamn bracket

Double elimination tournament. You had to lose two matches to be eliminated. In the final match on the PPV Hennig and Windum hadn't lost yet and Malenko and Benoit came in with one loss. In the first match Malenko pulled out the win. Straight away with no time out the second match started and Windum gave Malenko a belt shot for the win in under two minutes.

CVagts
Oct 19, 2009


That might not have even been WCW's worst bracket for a title. Wasn't there a world title tournament bracket that was absolutely hosed?

Skinty McEdger
Mar 9, 2008

I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!



CVagts posted:

That might not have even been WCW's worst bracket for a title. Wasn't there a world title tournament bracket that was absolutely hosed?

http://www.prowrestlinghistory.com/...us.html#world99

Russo's first shows in WCW. It should be pointed out that nearly every match went less than 5 minutes, and that there were angles in nearly every match.

CVagts
Oct 19, 2009


Skinty McEdger posted:

http://www.prowrestlinghistory.com/...us.html#world99

Russo's first shows in WCW. It should be pointed out that nearly every match went less than 5 minutes, and that there were angles in nearly every match.

Aha, thank you much. I always hated that the matches mostly went way short; it seemed like it was killing off the title's importance.

My favorite part of the bracket: Medusa getting two entries!

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Skinty McEdger
Mar 9, 2008

I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!



A few highlights of that tournament:

Madusa's first match against Meng was a punishment for her refusal to wrestle in a dressing gown match the week before (itself a shot at the WWE for their use of tits and rear end). She was squashed in under a minute while Tony and Heenan alternate between using Owen voices at her being destroyed, and then finding it hillarious.

Madusa won her second match against Evan Karagias by rubbing her tits in his face in the corner and allowing him to grope her. When he was overcome by this she mounted him and gave him a big french kiss for the 3 count.

Sadly Madusa faced Benoit in the second round and got murdered. Well except she didn't. She went toe to toe with Benoit for a good portion of the match until he took control. Karagias then ran in to protest the man on woman violence to the referee. The referee then beat up Karagias for comming in the ring. While the ref was beating up the wrestler, Jeff Jarrett came in to the ring to attack Benoit for 'commiting violence against a woman like they do up north.' The ref turns round and sees that Benoit is down and DQ's Madusa. Madusa attacks Jarrett and clears him out of the ring, where he picks up the mic to tell her that 'he screwed her out of the WCW title.'

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