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Luigi Thirty posted:word count of a language doesn't mean much. the OED contains about 170,000 words and 50,000 anachronisms. an average adult knows about 15,000 words. the only way you get to 1 million is by taking every form of jargon ever invented and throwing it in a dictionary along with every word that's ever been used in any document ever. studies show a foreign speaker only needs to learn about 3,000 words to attain 95% reading comprehension of everyday writing anyway. words are neat one of the reasons that i stopped learning japanese was all of the loving kanji even though there's a perfectly cromulent syllabary
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duTrieux. posted:cromulent i get a weird feeling every time i see that word is that my aspergers flaring up
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Sep 26, 2014 17:18
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maybe. doesn't matter if it started as a joke, if you can describe something as "cromulent" and other people understand what you mean beyond just being a reference then it's made the jump to being a real word.
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Sep 26, 2014 17:20
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that's a great way to embiggen your vocabulary
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Sep 26, 2014 17:38
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does cromulence pertain in any way to conan the barbarian's patron deity
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haveblue posted:that's a great way to embiggen your vocabulary i grok this
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literally means virtually
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OldAlias posted:literally means virtually
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Sham bam bamina! posted:so it's a synonym for computer?? only in literal reality
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Euglossa bazinga is a euglossine bee species found in Brazil. It is named after the catchphrase of the fictional character Dr. Sheldon Cooper from the television show The Big Bang Theory.
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Otaku Alpha Male posted:Euglossa bazinga is a euglossine bee species found in Brazil. It is named after the catchphrase of the fictional character Dr. Sheldon Cooper from the television show The Big Bang Theory. aaaaaaag
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Luigi Thirty posted:word count of a language doesn't mean much. the OED contains about 170,000 words and 50,000 anachronisms. an average adult knows about 15,000 words. the only way you get to 1 million is by taking every form of jargon ever invented and throwing it in a dictionary along with every word that's ever been used in any document ever. studies show a foreign speaker only needs to learn about 3,000 words to attain 95% reading comprehension of everyday writing anyway.
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The Leck posted:1500 spanish words seems like an achievable goal. where do statistics like this come from? Studies(tm) such as word frequency analysis of a corpus of writing. for spanish it's like 1500 words for 90%, 3000 for 95% but that does not count inflected forms as separate words and spanish is an inflected language it's not quite that simple but the idea that the majority of everyday writing is made of a very small proportion of a language's vocabulary is normal Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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Sep 26, 2014 22:13
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The Leck posted:1500 spanish words seems like an achievable goal. where do statistics like this come from? i think those statistics are pulled out of someone's rear end, because it's not a matter of knowing 1500 individual words; you have to understand sentence structure and verb tenses and all kinds of poo poo that's more complicated than it looks as a number
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prefect posted:i think those statistics are pulled out of someone's rear end, because it's not a matter of knowing 1500 individual words; you have to understand sentence structure and verb tenses and all kinds of poo poo that's more complicated than it looks as a number this is such a programmer thing to say but i am kinda curious too. id like to know how verbs are counted in the fluency figures L-30 is referencing. like when i took spanish class we learned to conjugate them by deriving from the infinitive form, and some verbs (and even entire tenses) are trivial, but then you have irregular verbs and semi-irregular ones (like stem-changers). im not fluent but i know enough to understand what little kids are saying to their parents at the grocery store 
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chinese is really nice that way because there's essentially no conjugation and the syntax is super rigid. a chinese person speaking what sounds like pidgin english is probably just using the same sentence structure as in totally accurate chinese. "i scare teacher. teacher very big mean. i don't go school because teacher scare i." note that since scare isn't conjugated, you can only tell who is scaring who by the svo sentence structure, which never changes. or another common thing, chinese people confusing "he" and "she" when talking about someone who is obviously male or female -- the words in chinese are written differently for each gender but pronounced the same. words also are super literal, eg cell phone is "hand machine", airplane "fly machine", computer "electric brain". to use a goony goon example, the characters for "serenity" painted on the hull of that ship translate as "to prefer quiet". of course the lack of conjugation, indistinctness of words (how many "hand machines" could there be?) and the fact that the characters don't give any clue to their pronunciation means there's a shitload of inference to understand what's going on it's cool language though Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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Sep 26, 2014 23:04
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i heard that hangul is super cool can someone confirm this
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hangul is constructed script so it's apparently very easy to learn, but like japanese, the koreans still fall back on chinese characters when their other scripts can't hack it
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Sagebrush posted:hangul is constructed script so it's apparently very easy to learn, but like japanese, the koreans still fall back on chinese characters when their other scripts can't hack it
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Widdiful posted:i heard that hangul is super cool can someone confirm this Hangul was invented by a Korean king who thought chinese characters were stupid and he was right wasn't there a movement a while back to replace all characters with pinyin in official documents in China
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Sagebrush posted:chinese is really nice that way because there's essentially no conjugation and the syntax is super rigid. a chinese person speaking what sounds like pidgin english is probably just using the same sentence structure as in totally accurate chinese. "i scare teacher. teacher very big mean. i don't go school because teacher scare i." note that since scare isn't conjugated, you can only tell who is scaring who by the svo sentence structure, which never changes. the language of the future that will displace English globally, ladies and gentlemen
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chinese is a good language and it's especially fun to curse at people in because with the tonality it makes you sound like you're yelling extra hard, being super sarcastic, and incredulously questioning their idiocy at the same time it's even more crazy in cantonese because the tones almost all sound like yelling but i only learned mandarin so i can't really comment on that
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Sagebrush posted:words also are super literal, eg cell phone is "hand machine", airplane "fly machine", computer "electric brain". to use a goony goon example, the characters for "serenity" painted on the hull of that ship translate as "to prefer quiet". so, the way in German you just slap words together + the way some of my old clients with Down syndrome talked = bam Mandarin? Lutha Mahtin fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Sep 27, 2014 |
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Sep 27, 2014 01:32
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OldAlias posted:literally means virtually eat my rear end in a top hat. "literally" has been used as a non-literal intensifier for hundreds of years. work your tongue on up in there.
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duTrieux. posted:eat my rear end in a top hat. "literally" has been used as a non-literal intensifier for hundreds of years. work your tongue on up in there.
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Lutha Mahtin posted:so, the way in German you just slap words together + the way some of my old clients with Down syndrome talked = bam Mandarin? you also have to learn the four tones. trying saying "whoa" with the following sounds high, even singing sound rising, like you are asking a question falling then rising, like you're talking to a baby or dog ("hiiiiii puuuuuuuupppy") falling straight down, quickly, like you're cutting someone off in anger then you can speak mandarin sure
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Sham bam bamina! posted:for hundreds of years it was used as deliberate hyperbole, then idiots happened to it prescriptivist scum!
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duTrieux. posted:eat my rear end in a top hat. "literally" has been used as a non-literal intensifier for hundreds of years. work your tongue on up in there. A new text version, which may have been the authentic one, came to light in 1991. Handwritten texts to this and several other similar canons were found added to a printed score of the work in an historical printed edition acquired by Harvard University's Music Library. They had evidently been added to the book by a later hand. However, since in six of the pieces these entries matched texts that had, in the meantime, independently come to light in original manuscripts, it was hypothesised that the remaining three may, too, have been original, including texts for K. 231 ("Leck mich im Arsch" itself), and another Mozart work, "Leck mir den Arsch fein recht schön sauber" ("Lick my arse nice and clean", K. 233; K. 382d in the revised numbering).[4] Later research has indicated that the latter composition is probably the work of Wenzel Trnka (1739–91).[5][6][7][8]
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Soricidus posted:not entirely true, the democratic people's republic of korea has abolished the elitist hanja of the intellectual bourgeoisie and uses exclusively the beautiful hangul script bequeathed to the nation by the eternal president kim il-sung. yeah Sagebrush is wrong, hanja (chinese characters) are really rare in korean. the only case where I saw hanja being used is people writing names with them to look fancy
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Sep 27, 2014 02:05
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and lol if you're not fluent in at least 2 languages smdh
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see the Japanese are superior to the Chinese because they invented katakana to use instead of Han characters and the Koreans are superior to the Japanese because they invented an alphabet just like white people
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the chinese are superior to the japanese because of (1932-1945) and they are superior to the koreans because they don't have the infinite shame of samsung staining their souls
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Sagebrush posted:the chinese are superior to the japanese because of (1932-1945) and they are superior to the koreans because they don't have the infinite shame of samsung staining their souls doesn't samsung p much run korea
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RZApublican posted:the language of the future that will displace English globally, ladies and gentlemen most people who speak English hardly speak it at an acceptable level, and certainly cannot write in it at an acceptable level.
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uncurable mlady posted:most people who speak English hardly speak it at an acceptable level, and certainly cannot write in it at an acceptable level. please dont post about my hometown
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Sham bam bamina! posted:idiots happened the whole of human history condensed to just two words
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Sagebrush posted:you also have to learn the four tones. trying saying "whoa" with the following sounds i have the worst time differentiating between the second and third tones; my sister apparently has the same problem but with the third and fourth tones. poo poo's weird
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