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magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER


So, back to the Keepers. It ended in the oddest way... just kind of "yeah, so, that's a story without any solid answers but a poo poo ton of "that guy probably had something to do with it".

By the end, jesus, it looked like they're trying to pin it on everybody.

Or was it just me?

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GonSmithe
Apr 25, 2010

Perhaps it's in the nature of television. Just waves in space.


Not just you, but definitely not what I thought at the end.

I think the big mistake you (and a lot of other people) made was not reading the title of the series, even though it's there in every episode. The name of the series is The Keepers, not "Who Murdered this Nun?"

right to bear karma
Feb 20, 2001

There's a Dr. Fist here to see you.


The way they treated the possible suspects was grating, yeah. Especially since one of them didn't seem like he was all there. And some really weird poo poo came out of that. Like the newspaper vagina or whatever the gently caress that was. I do feel like the doc kind of prepares you for the non-ending, though, in that it's the most important point--how the investigation was stymied by corruption.

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town





This was amazing as gently caress and by the end my mind was completely in knots

Amanda Knox, on Netflix, is another great one, though that one seems more clear cut by the end as to what really happened. With the Jinx, every possible option for "what happened" is equally insane and implausible

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

I could hear the roots of loneliness creeping through me when the world was hushed at four o'clock in the morning






That reminds me but is there any film or documentary done based on the Monster of Florence, which has the same antagonists of Amanda Knox

Garth_Marenghi
Nov 7, 2011



magnificent7 posted:

So, back to the Keepers.

I'm taking a break after the second episode, it was too much to take.

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER


Garth_Marenghi posted:

I'm taking a break after the second episode, it was too much to take.
Yeah. I told my wife "you don't wanna watch this one." I've never EVER told her to avoid a movie - we love our horror movies, but Jesus Christ.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

The Keepers wasn't that hard to watch, it just kept flipping back and biting its own tail in the last 3 or so episodes, so that by the end I wasn't really sure how to feel about anyone involved. They did have some great moments with the new FBI dude where they kept dropping bombshells on him and he had no idea and had to follow them up, but I dunno, the ending kind of went flat to me.

Also they had a lot of uhh, I dunno, "tragedy porn" shots near the end, where they went way out of their way to stage meet-ups with people who knew the victim and then bust out some personal trinket and film them bawling and reminiscing over it. That got tiresome after a while.

Making of A Murderer definitely left me a lot more conflicted and interested in the followup story.

coyo7e fucked around with this message at 00:52 on May 31, 2017

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town




I thought the parts in episode 2 where the woman was retelling in graphic detail what the priests did to her was, uh, VERY hard to watch.

bunky
Aug 29, 2004



I watched the Ruby Ridge and Oklahoma City docs last night back to back and I appreciate whoever gave the recommendation, but to anyone else interested, skip Ruby Ridge. The Oklahoma City movie re-hashes the important parts of Ruby Ridge and makes them relevant to a larger story.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

precision posted:

I thought the parts in episode 2 where the woman was retelling in graphic detail what the priests did to her was, uh, VERY hard to watch.
That woman keeps getting harder and harder to believe, though.

The weirdest thing for me in The Keepers was that, at base, it felt like a fanfic about the dangers of playing Dungeons and Dragons and what happens to people who refuse to throw it out and repent to Jesus. The stories are horrific but after a while it starts to really feel like a Chick-tract rather than something that actually happened.. I mean, black masses performed on tween-aged girls in a catholic high school office, involving priests, police, AND the military?

I had a really hard time suspending my disbelief for half of this series, because even though I went to a Catholic High School where some hosed-up poo poo WAS very much going on, I can't imagine that the head priest could have possibly have been running a train on a dozen+ girls with local authority figures... While utilizing his boss psychiatric and hypnotic powers to suppress the whole thing AND every instructor at the instituion was totally incapable of noticing that students kept being pulled from class to visit the "principal" for literally no viable reason. For years and years.

coyo7e fucked around with this message at 17:08 on May 31, 2017

GonSmithe
Apr 25, 2010

Perhaps it's in the nature of television. Just waves in space.


Yeah, because there is absolutely no history of long term, covered up sexual abuse in the Catholic Church

Terrible Opinions
Oct 17, 2013





Is "boss psychiatric and hypnotic powers" a fair way to actually characterize it?

right to bear karma
Feb 20, 2001

There's a Dr. Fist here to see you.


coyo7e posted:

That woman keeps getting harder and harder to believe, though.

Like you, I felt skeptical about the things she said at times, even as I was aware of how damaging that has been regarding cases like this. I feel like the doc deals with that pretty effectively, though. First, Jane Doe and Jane Roe give the same info in court long before either one becomes aware of what the other has said. Second, Jean/Jane Doe does give an unlikely detail that is later verified. And third, as others have mentioned, the Church has a history of this poo poo.

Supposedly there were some details left out of the documentary as they were considered too upsetting. I can't even imagine.

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005

Success!





I watched Oklahoma City and it was 'good' as in well put together, you know what I mean. All the PBS ones are. Some of the images from it I remember being absolutely terrified of seeing on TV when it happened (I was 9 back then), and it might have gotten a bit more squawk in the news of my hometown longer than other cities because McVeigh was a local boy. There's also a doc up for Newtown but yeah, I'm not sure if I'm down with watching that... ever. It's got strong reviews, and focuses on the Newtown community trying to pick up after the crisis, but it just seems like it's going to be too much of a goddamn gut punch to sit through.


One to toss in the 'pass' column is definitely The Blackout. I mean listen to this description: A citywide power outage merged with a heatwave, a serial killer and understaffed police precincts to create a harrowing blackout in 1977 New York. I mean, that's a spicy meatball, right? Nah, it was just really about the 1977 NYC power outage, that part about the serial killer? One sentence 'you gotta remember, this was the time that David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam murders were taking place'. And, really, it just focused too much on the looting. The description seemed much more interesting.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

right to bear karma posted:

Like you, I felt skeptical about the things she said at times, even as I was aware of how damaging that has been regarding cases like this. I feel like the doc deals with that pretty effectively, though. First, Jane Doe and Jane Roe give the same info in court long before either one becomes aware of what the other has said. Second, Jean/Jane Doe does give an unlikely detail that is later verified. And third, as others have mentioned, the Church has a history of this poo poo.

Supposedly there were some details left out of the documentary as they were considered too upsetting. I can't even imagine.
I don't want anyone to think that I'm hand-waving away the stuff they uncovered in the series however, that specific woman's story just keeps piling up to more and more ludicrous levels.

As I mentioned I attended Catholic school and personally observed a LOT of very questionable behavior by instructors and faculty (priests and not-priests), from casual racism, to expelling girls for being sexually promiscuous while covering up the behavior of the boys who knocked them up, to the weirdly fruity priest fro Alaska who taught music and spent a lot of time putting his hand on the shoulder or back or waist of male students, to instructors literally smoking in the hallwas in the 90s, to an instructor berating a kid to the point that the boy began bawling and ran out of the classroom (the instructor was his father, btw, and he got shat on regularly), to the out-of-date principal who tried to flunk me out of a class for listening to lectures with my eyes closed (his daughter became a striptease dancer), or the south american priest who was so out of touch with American ideals that he fired a teacher over allegations that he was homosexual, told all the male students to cut their hair or be expelled in three days (before senior photos) and who was since sent back to south america to preach to pre-schoolers because little kids from a third world country won't notice just how hosed-up your decisions are..

I mean I can't see any way that a bunch of people would remember forty+ years later that this person did all this poo poo in these kinds of details however, the Jane Doe woman's testimonies really go far off the beaten path compared to a lot of the others, and I personally have a really hard time believing that anybody would just drop by the local catholic high school to have a black mass sex orgy every couple weeks.

That poo poo went WAY off the rails to the point that I simply struggle to believe it, and I say that as a disgruntled Protestant who was sent to Catholic School and spent most of his time observing just how hosed-up and hypocritical the entire place was

coyo7e fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Jun 1, 2017

Pingiivi
Mar 26, 2010

Straight into the iris!


The Last Laugh is available at Vimeo/iTunes/Amazon/etc. The doc is about jokes... about the holocaust. Holocaust survivors talk about how humour helped them survive and comedians talk about why they should be able to joke about it.

https://vimeo.com/ondemand/thelastlaugh

Pingiivi fucked around with this message at 11:23 on Jun 9, 2017

Beer_Suitcase
May 3, 2005

Verily, the whip is ghost riding.





Dumb is the story of Big Brother Magazine.

https://youtu.be/0jcKEifF0og

Back in 1999 I was fresh outta highschool and worked at the local skate shop despite not knowing how to skate but Big Brother was the coolest. It had tittys and rude words and other cool stuff that a kid who grew up in a strict southern Baptist household never got to see.

The doc gives a pretty insightful look at the people and the motivation behind the production of the magazine.

Altared State
Jan 14, 2006
Beginning the journey as I enter the void

It's amazing. I've watched it twice already.

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?


Beer_Suitcase posted:

Dumb is the story of Big Brother Magazine.

https://youtu.be/0jcKEifF0og

Back in 1999 I was fresh outta highschool and worked at the local skate shop despite not knowing how to skate but Big Brother was the coolest. It had tittys and rude words and other cool stuff that a kid who grew up in a strict southern Baptist household never got to see.

The doc gives a pretty insightful look at the people and the motivation behind the production of the magazine.


I worked in the digital department of LFP (their publisher) in 1999 we shot a couple of videos for their website with steve-o before any of them were known outside of skateboard circles. I remember one shoot where he was jumping off a hotel roof into a swimming pool.

Also I remember everyone in the office dying of laughter when they received an email from eBay suspending their account for selling a prohibited item. The item in question: "jar of piss"

That's my big brother story.

Edit: I don't have Hulu so I haven't seen it yet. Was there a talking head in it named Niles Harrison?

GutBomb fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Jun 14, 2017

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town




Art and Craft on Prime, about the nicest art forger you'll ever learn about.

Jehde
Apr 20, 2010



Anyone know of any decent documentaries on the Thirty Years' War?

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006



For film buffs, I enjoyed "DePalma" on Amazon Prime. Basically a lengthy interview with Brian DePalma about his whole career, with a whole bunch of clips of his work interspersed to illustrate points. Just an interesting story about a life in film with some successes and a lot of failures.

Unmature
May 9, 2008


Any recommendations for found footage documentaries? I recently picked up the Criterion of And Everything Is Going Fine which is fantastic and now I'm watching the feature length doc Cinefamily put on YouTube of weird Star Wars clips and B-roll.

Unmature fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Jul 15, 2017

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?


Winnebago Man?

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

It Felt Like A Kiss edits together a load of old footage into this strange fever dream of a documentary about the American culture during the Cold War.

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli

"All this and world war 2" is technically a documentary in the barest sense as it's Beatles covers set to a mix of 40's/50s films and WW2 archives telling a rough account of the war.

"Decasia" is more of a mood piece, but made up out of decaying bits of lost film from the 1900's.

"Sam Klemke's time machine" is about a man who documented his life since 1977.

"Shut up little man", with found tapes. Kind of like Winnebago Man as it looks at a cult following of the tapes.

Finding Vivian Maier sort of fits with found photos.

I'm trying to recall one someone made about their parents family secrets using found archival materials .

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


Capturing the Friedmans?

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town




WebDog posted:

"Shut up little man", with found tapes. Kind of like Winnebago Man as it looks at a cult following of the tapes.

While I liked this one more than some, if you're really interested in weird cults of taped messages, venture forth into the rabbit hole that is Midnight Voicejail:

https://nationalcynical.bandcamp.com/album/the-best-of-midnight-voicejail-vol-6-the-left-the-right

Allyn
Sep 4, 2007

I love Charlie from Busted!

Unmature posted:

Any recommendations for found footage documentaries? I recently picked up the Criterion of And Everything Is Going Fine which is fantastic and now I'm watching the feature length doc Cinefamily put on YouTube of weird Star Wars clips and B-roll.

June 17th, 1994 for sure

LesterGroans
Jun 9, 2009

It's funny...

You were so scary at night.


Allyn posted:

June 17th, 1994 for sure

Absolutely. It's one of my favourite films, period.

Kull the Conqueror
Apr 8, 2006



Unmature posted:

Any recommendations for found footage documentaries? I recently picked up the Criterion of And Everything Is Going Fine which is fantastic and now I'm watching the feature length doc Cinefamily put on YouTube of weird Star Wars clips and B-roll.

The Atomic Cafe is a must.

e: Really, the answers are bottomless because archival collage is such a staple "genre" of the doc world. I'll also just throw in A Grin without a Cat.

Kull the Conqueror fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Jul 17, 2017

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006

I was living a doritos and mt dew incel life locked in my room. Then covid happened and I could pretend I was some sort of special hero for that. Now I spend all day worrying that could get ruined.I guarantee the post next to this message is me talking in baby talk while hyping up fake doomer news.

For All Mankind is pretty good too and basically all archival footage of the Apollo missions set to an amazing Brian Eno soundtrack.

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town




Allyn posted:

June 17th, 1994 for sure

No kidding, that thing is crazy. I was 19 at the time and still didn't know all of what happened on that day until I watched that.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007


I'm watching Can't Stop Won't Stop which is the story of Puff Daddy and Bad Boy Records. It was released for free on Apple Music.

It's pretty terrible in terms of filmmaking. It almost tries to mimic the the look and feeling of June 17, 1994 with the sort of flipping through the channels thing, but it doesn't make sense because you're seeing like old home videos.

Some of the individual home movie clips are really interesting like Notorious BIG rapping on a street corner at age 17 so if you're interested in that era of hip hop you'll probably find some good bits. Otherwise it's too sloppily made to be that watchable. Oh yeah and Puff Daddy is just so insufferable so it just makes it worse. If I didn't know any better I'd say he tried to make it himself.

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here

I watched The Red Pill.

Wasn't what I expected at all. Didn't realize there was a schism between reddit red pill people and the ones who live in reality.

I'd recommend watching, especially if you are a feminist as the film is made by one.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007


Waltzing Along posted:

I watched The Red Pill.

Wasn't what I expected at all. Didn't realize there was a schism between reddit red pill people and the ones who live in reality.

I'd recommend watching, especially if you are a feminist as the film is made by one.

I had never heard of it until just now and watched the trailer. Looks very interesting. Is it streaming anywhere?

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here

Mahoning posted:

I had never heard of it until just now and watched the trailer. Looks very interesting. Is it streaming anywhere?

I think it is on Netflix and Hulu.

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town




Waltzing Along posted:

I think it is on Netflix and Hulu.

I watched it on Amazon Prime, and yes it is very good. Definitely makes it harder to just snap judge the issue.

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ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004



coyo7e posted:

That woman keeps getting harder and harder to believe, though.

The weirdest thing for me in The Keepers was that, at base, it felt like a fanfic about the dangers of playing Dungeons and Dragons and what happens to people who refuse to throw it out and repent to Jesus. The stories are horrific but after a while it starts to really feel like a Chick-tract rather than something that actually happened.. I mean, black masses performed on tween-aged girls in a catholic high school office, involving priests, police, AND the military?

I had a really hard time suspending my disbelief for half of this series, because even though I went to a Catholic High School where some hosed-up poo poo WAS very much going on, I can't imagine that the head priest could have possibly have been running a train on a dozen+ girls with local authority figures... While utilizing his boss psychiatric and hypnotic powers to suppress the whole thing AND every instructor at the instituion was totally incapable of noticing that students kept being pulled from class to visit the "principal" for literally no viable reason. For years and years.

I believed it mostly because it was in Boston, and Boston PD is notoriously close with the Catholic church, and if the pedo priest's brother was the big cop at the time, I can easily see how poo poo can get cloak and daggered.

People thought we were making up the Chicago PD Black Sites until the loving Guardian broke the story.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site

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