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Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011






Watched Power of Grayskull which was pretty fun. I had no idea that Moebius did concept art for the movie.

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DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

ˇHola SEA!




HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

It's like 4 minutes into the first one, too. No warning at all. I'm surprised I watched em back in the day.

Paradise Lost extremely hosed me up as a kid

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


DeimosRising posted:

Paradise Lost extremely hosed me up as a kid

Same. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




you actually see the dead kids within the first minute. at least with there's something wrong with aunt diane it's at the end and you don't see the kids.

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005

Success!





Groovelord Neato posted:

you actually see the dead kids within the first minute. at least with there's something wrong with aunt diane it's at the end and you don't see the kids.

That part of Aunt Diane caught me off guard too. I know Paradise Lost gave a disclaimer at the beginning, but I still wasn’t expecting nude 8-year old corpses on video.

I was just loving heartbroken watching them. Damien saying his son was now the age he had been when he was locked up, and Jason’s ‘no justice’ discussion after their Alford pleas were horrific.

I have a question regarding crime documentaries on wrongful convictions. Are there any where when new evidence comes to light, the original prosecutor isn’t maintaining ‘well, I did the right thing’?

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

ˇHola SEA!




HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Same. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

I remember reading Blood of Innocents, too, and picturing all the locations as places around the holler where my dad and grandparents lived. That and a rolling stone article where some white kids beat a black kid they went to school with to death with a six pack of mt dew (I think it was over dating a white girl, but drugs were involved too) were some of the first true crime stuff I read and the memory of just overwhelming empathy and fear are still really vivid

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




LadyPictureShow posted:

I have a question regarding crime documentaries on wrongful convictions. Are there any where when new evidence comes to light, the original prosecutor isn’t maintaining ‘well, I did the right thing’?

i've never seen one. it's the most frustrating part because these prosecutors have usually hosed anyone out of finding the actual perpetrator.

edit: rewatching paradise lost and it's insane they were allowed to have an "occult expert" testify.

Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Sep 2, 2018

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



Just watched Theory of Obscurity, the doc about the Residents. It was very enjoyable, and there's a quote in there from Penn Jillette that is a pretty spicy take

ICHIBAHN
Feb 21, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Rewatched The Jinx with the fiance last week. Forgot how much of a goof Durst was. Brilliant series.

Kull the Conqueror
Apr 8, 2006



Minding the Gap is finally available on Hulu. It's an autobiographical doc about a skater kid and his friends growing up and wrestling with the fact that they all have abusive parents. Far from an easy watch and I think the music is occasionally overbearing, but man it's got that intimacy I hunger for in docs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5Vm_Awe3bw

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town




Kull the Conqueror posted:

Minding the Gap is finally available on Hulu. It's an autobiographical doc about a skater kid and his friends growing up and wrestling with the fact that they all have abusive parents. Far from an easy watch and I think the music is occasionally overbearing, but man it's got that intimacy I hunger for in docs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5Vm_Awe3bw

Makes a great double feature with Dogtown and the Z-Boys which, if anyone hasn't seen it, see it.

(The fictionalized version, Lords of Dogtown, is also super worth a watch)

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012


Anyone seen Active Measures?

Saw this also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiE1pe-25BE

It's from a Dutch research team which has a pretty solid reputation.

Mr Shiny Pants fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Sep 9, 2018

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




rewatching into the abyss and it's always so loving frustrating how michael perry pretends he's innocent to the bitter end.

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town




Mr Shiny Pants posted:

Saw this also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiE1pe-25BE

It's from a Dutch research team which has a pretty solid reputation.

yo this was super interesting, cheers

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012


precision posted:

yo this was super interesting, cheers

Did you also check out part three?

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.


I've been playing documentaries for background.

But drat I never realized how many there were. How many of these do we need anyway? Most of them cover 95% of the same stuff as the others and most of the science hasn't moved all that much in a decade or more depending on the field, especially not at the 10th grade science class level these documentaries work at.

flashy_mcflash
Feb 7, 2011



Ultra Carp

I saw American Dharma, the new Errol Morris doc about Steve Bannon last night.

I think it's Morris's worst work yet (at least of what I've seen). He spends 3/4 of the movie telling you about Bannon's politics, like you didn't know those if you had even a passing familiarity with Bannon, and never really challenges him in a meaningful way about them. Maybe I was expecting too much, but it gave me none of the insight I would want from him or ask a single question that would prompt some introspection.

Morris uses Bannon's favourite films (Twelve O Clock High is the most prominent, but they discuss things like The Searchers and others too) to get him to talk about his political worldview and while I would stop short of saying he glorifies Bannon, he seems to legitimize the populist ideology while only once saying that polluting drinking water and trading healthcare away from people is the opposite of populism. Even the latter is not meaningfully explored.

Morris allows himself to get snowed under by Bannon's endless platitudes and even allows himself to get clowned when he admits he voted for Hillary over Bernie in the primaries and his son hates him for it. He is arguing in good faith, impotently wailing "but whyyy?" while Bannon is clearly performing and turning this whole thing around.

A day later and I'm still not really sure what this film set out to accomplish but nothing about it worked for me .

flashy_mcflash fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Sep 16, 2018

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




also dumb not to use the interrotron.

ICHIBAHN
Feb 21, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Any good nostalgia documentaries out there, for the 90s and 2000s? Seen the decades series, loved it, are there any more? Thanks.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



ICHIBAHN posted:

Any good nostalgia documentaries out there, for the 90s and 2000s? Seen the decades series, loved it, are there any more? Thanks.

Music docs about specific groups and albums are good for this sort of thing (unless you hate music from those decades). They very much function as a time capsule. Hype! is a good example of this.

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006

I was living a doritos and mt dew incel life locked in my room. Then covid happened and I could pretend I was some sort of special hero for that. Now I spend all day worrying that could get ruined.I guarantee the post next to this message is me talking in baby talk while hyping up fake doomer news.

CNN's multi-part doc series The Nineties is mandatory viewing. I'm suring they'll do an oughts one too (if they haven't already).

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town




ICHIBAHN posted:

Any good nostalgia documentaries out there, for the 90s and 2000s? Seen the decades series, loved it, are there any more? Thanks.

Dig!

Decline of Western Civilization 3

magiccarpet
Jan 3, 2005






ICHIBAHN posted:

Any good nostalgia documentaries out there, for the 90s and 2000s? Seen the decades series, loved it, are there any more? Thanks.

We Live in Public is fairly bonkers

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.


I saw Fahrenheit 11/9.

I pitched to my GF as a horror movie, and I was pretty much dead on.

bort
Mar 13, 2003



skooma512 posted:

I saw Fahrenheit 11/9.

I pitched to my GF as a horror movie, and I was pretty much dead on.

It was a little disjointed. I don’t think MM managed to really tie all the strands together, and there really isn’t much about Trump that you can add. The Gwen Stefani theory is interesting and novel, but it doesn’t seem to have any factual basis behind it. Trump & co. being sad they won is a half formed idea better explored in Wolff's book. The Nazi footage is cheap poo poo, not worthy of MM's abilities as a filmmaker. Bernie got burned is unnecessary, too, that's been rehashed ad nauseam..

Horror movies have rules and structure, and generally are pushing the envelope on a tight budget. This is sort of meandering audience torture porn.

bort
Mar 13, 2003



Can anyone recommend a doc on Caesar Chavez and that era, labor issues in the US?

Pancakes
May 21, 2001



Crypto-Rump Roast

"Free Solo" is a really, really good watch even if you're not a climber. The camera work is incredible, obviously the climbing is breathtaking and the movie does a great job of presenting Honnold in an interesting and entertaining way.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


I am thinking about catching that in IMAX.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




three identical strangers was wild.

Lil Mama Im Sorry
Oct 14, 2012

I'M BACK AND I'M SCARIN' WHITE FOLKS


not if you were the last dandy on earth

Alan_Shore
Dec 2, 2004



I'm surprised there's no Making a Murderer thread. I pretty much binged the new season, could not stop!

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

not all who wander are lost


It was almost equally as compelling as the first season, I thought. But overall it felt pretty meandering and stretched out (granted, that tends to happen what with the wheels of justice being slow with appeals and what have you) and had a weird habit of introducing new theories and information and then jumping back to "Hey, let's see how one of the guys is doing in prison instead of following up on that."

I wanted to know more about the ex-boyfriend and the roommate because ever since the first season I've wondered about them. The fame whory blonde who nearly married Avery was pretty messed up, too.

Alan_Shore
Dec 2, 2004



Oh yeah, when she showed up and said "oh, I'm going to be on the second season of Making a Murderer!" as was like, I see where this is going.

Kathleen the new OP lawyer did an incredible job of dismantling the state's case, which to be fair never mind any sense in the first place. He handcuffed her to the bed and cut her throat, then dragged her into the garage and shot her? And there's no blood anywhere in the house? Hmm.

Made me sad that his original lawyers, the dream team, might have actually been a bit poo poo. I mean, no blood spatter expert? Really? The blood was so obviously planted it blows my mind

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

not all who wander are lost


I think she even said she'd be on the third season, which was the point I knew we wouldn't be hearing much about her afterwards.

The new lawyer is competent for sure but the state's case was so incredibly shaky to begin with that they could've tugged on any thread and the whole thing would collapse. I'm pretty curious about who the real killer or killers are. There seems to be quite a bit of circumstantial evidence pointing to a bunch of people but no real motive for any of them from what I can remember. I'm not a 100% convinced about Avery's innocence either though. The $36M lawsuit against the state goes quite far to explain a cover-up, regardless of the degree the police were involved in muddying the waters.

Alan_Shore
Dec 2, 2004



It's tough because they never investigated anyone except for Avery. In a murder it usually is someone who knows the victim, and the boyfriend came off a a little weird with some questionable actions. I just never saw the motive with Avery. I guess you could spend 18 years in prison fantasizing about getting out to murder a woman, like Kratz says, but... really? He was about to be rich!

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

not all who wander are lost


I do tend to watch these kinds of things with a very Devil's Advocate kind of way though, and while Avery isn't exactly the most likely suspect here, I'm reluctant to give into the narrative the documentary is pushing since I don't know any other details about the case or the people involved. Much like a lot of those people, I'm sure, who were holding signs and protesting to free Avery and Dassey because they "watched Making a Murderer" and that's all they needed. It's a bit weird. A doc is a nice jumping on point but maybe examine and read up on more things than just that before you go standing outside a courthouse yelling your head off.

It's funny because like you pointed out, the initial lawyers, the "Dream Team" felt pretty drat competent and on point in the first season of the show, yet now we know the mistakes they made because we learned about all the evidence presented at the trial (or not presented) that they completely failed to address. The doc even points out how they were essentially superstars after season 1 had come out, maybe not so much anymore.

Alan_Shore
Dec 2, 2004



I agree on that. I went to the MaM reddit, which was a huge mistake. The people who are absolutely convinced Avery is guilty are the worst kind of amateur sleuth.

I guess we'll never know, but for me maybe the biggest evidence for his innocence is obviously the documentary makers feel he is, because they wouldn't spend years of their lives documenting a murderer, and most importantly Kathleen thinks he's innocent. She wouldn't represent a guilty man (based on her wealth, status, intelligence and moral character)

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

not all who wander are lost


That's a fair point, and to be honest, I'm not convinced about Avery being the killer, I'm just unwilling to rule his involvement out until something concrete emerges about his innocence and I'm trying to consider all possibilities. I'm far less convinced that Dassey had anything to do with it though. That interrogation, or what we saw of it, definitely came across as leading if not completely coerced. The detectives being reluctant to participate in the documentary raises some flags too. You'd think they'd be eager to address it if only to attempt to protect their reputations.

As for the blood spatter analysis stuff; isn't it kind of a dubious science, to a point? I'm not saying the blood in the RAV4 isn't suspiciously convenient and while they seem to support the (current) defense's theories, I found myself Occam's Razoring quite a few of their opinions on how the stains could end up in the car, mostly with the ignition. Sure, when they tested it and the guy had blood on his fingers and turned the key, no blood ended up next to the ignition but you could also say that hey, it was dark, the killer/Avery wasn't familiar with the car and fumbled around trying to get the key in the ignition, and presto, blood stains.

I'm not saying that's what happened, but to so quickly discard that possibility and basically leaving it to the state to refute their claim with it seemed a bit sloppy to me.

Alan_Shore
Dec 2, 2004



That’s fair. I think if it was just the blood by the ignition it wouldn't be so suspicious. But then you add it to these random drops of blood over the car that don't add up to any kind of story, the utterly bizarre DNA on the hood latch (that they specifically made sure Brendan mentioned BEFORE they had supposedly swabbed it) and it's just a cluster gently caress. No blood on the steering wheel or gear stick but enough to get on the ignition? It's just the weirdest case that doesn't make sense unless you say the evidence was planted.

One thing I couldn't figure out was how did someone break into Avery's house to get his blood? How would they know they'd find blood? And then I thought, well if they went in there to get DNA from his toothbrush/urine etc, then found blood in the sink and it's like they got super lucky, right?

Oh yeah, and Teresa's DNA that was allegedly taken from a chapstick due to the fibers found. It's crazy

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Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

not all who wander are lost


Yeah, all of that was pretty nuts. If I had to guess, I'd think it could be possible someone went in with the intent of searching for something to incriminate Avery with, potentially something to get DNA from (but they'd already drawn his blood years ago and had possibly even accessed it? As seen in S1 with the blood sample vial) so which blood could've been used is anyone's guess. The fact that the blood in his trailer was cleaned up, as Avery claimed, is pretty strange too. Why clean it up? Take what you need and leave it there, try to preserve the place as much as possible, surely some blood left would be less suspicious to Avery than wiping all of it up.

I agree that the blood in the car is super suspicious and definitely seems like it could've been planted, I just meant that it bugs me that the defense is seemingly so eager to throw away any other possible theories as to why a blood stain might be where it is than the one that fits their argument: Staged vs. fumbling with the keys in the dark with a cut finger or whatever.

Thoughts on the hosed up stuff they found on Bobby Dassey's computer? I don't think it was ever proven that he was the only person who used it; they'd just "heard" that Brendan never used it, but either way -- just a morbidly curious, hosed up guy getting his kicks online or actual killer who matured through messed up porn into an actual killer?

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