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FeastForCows
Oct 18, 2011


Are there any more good documentaries on cinephiles? I really enjoyed Cinemania. Come to think of it, I would love to watch something similar about audiophiles, too.

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SaltyJesus
Jun 2, 2011

Arf!


FeastForCows posted:

Are there any more good documentaries on cinephiles? I really enjoyed Cinemania. Come to think of it, I would love to watch something similar about audiophiles, too.

I can't give you a title but for more successful Google searches about audiophiles I suggest including the search terms "idiot", "cargo cult", and "babies". Ideally all three at once.

Kull the Conqueror
Apr 8, 2006



Just watched Bert Haanstra's short doc Mirror of Holland. It's an absolute trip. Check it out, it's only 9 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6z8HqfZYfw

Pilli
Jul 3, 2011

Dogs have owners,
cats have staff


I doubt anyone in this thread is interested in Jean Austen, but just on the off-chance that that happens, a cast and crew recreated the ball of Pride and Prejudice, with the help of historians, a costume designer, a professional cook, a professional dance coach and dancers, and musicians. Lots of useful explanations on the Regency period manners, and how people really interacted amongst each other during a ball. It was serious, serious marital business.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01h8nFLsmB8

Baron Bifford
May 24, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 1973 days!


discoukulele posted:

Hey thread! Does anyone have any recommendations for documentaries about bizarre/interesting subcultures? Those are always my favorite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6qw7goMEPI

In New York there are these guys who like to wear masks and disguise themselves as women.

dj_clawson
Jan 12, 2004

We are all sinners in the eyes of these popsicle sticks.

Had a recent doc-watching festival to avoid work.

The Corporation (Youtube). The first thing I will say about this is that it's long. I did it in two sittings. I was genuinely surprised at how many corporate guys agreed to participate in the film (probably because some of them had very good points about how businesses operate and why they do what they do) on the "other side." It goes a little nuts at times, with the weird IBM/Concentration Camp connection, but otherwise a great film.

Casino Jack and the United States of Money (Netflix) - Political corruption porn. Very similar in structure to "Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room" but not quite as good. Still a lot of fun. The first half, the bit about the crzy young Republicans of the 70's and 80's, was stuff I really didn't know about.

Mail Order Bride (Netflix) - Too depressing to finish. I mean, I did make it through the fantastic Whore's Glory, which was much more difficult to watch but was an impressive film with things to say even without narration. This was just a bunch of white misogynists and Russian whores.

Terms and Conditions May Apply (Netflix) - Just heaped onto my growing paranoia after watching Frontline's "United States of Secrets" which I also recommend. Basically, don't put anything on the internet that you don't want people to know. Ever. Even if you don't want them to know it 5 years from now, or 20 years from now.

Homo Sapiens 1900 (Netflix) - An interesting movie about the birth and growth of the eugenics movement up to WWII and the various European attempts at "positive" genetic programs is really hurt by the awful narration and maddening score. Despite the poster art, it pretty much skips over the Nazi movement and the Concentration Camps entirely, which is weird, only to say later, "Then, obviously, eugenics went out of favor in the 40's and 50's." Wonder why. There are some interesting things here, but if you start watching and you think the score is going to improve, don't get your hopes up. Just go read a book.

Also it's not long enough to be a documentary (and the actual documentary made by the guy who is interviewed is actually somehow worse) but this has gotta be one of the more unsettling and depressing videos on the internet, Vice's video on Kidnappings in Kosovo during the war. What happened to the kidnapped people? Nothing good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUzdXoRH2H8

dj_clawson fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Jun 27, 2014

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


What'd you dislike so much about the score to Homo Sapiens A.D. 1900?

dj_clawson
Jan 12, 2004

We are all sinners in the eyes of these popsicle sticks.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

What'd you dislike so much about the score to Homo Sapiens A.D. 1900?

The pianist knew about 3 keys.

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk


Netflix has added a lot of really good stuff in the past week.

God Loves Uganda - How conservative "missionaries" are causing the tone of local politics to shift to be hostile and violent toward anything that's not essentially a WASP type person. Really shocking, honestly.

The Institute - About an ARG that took place in mid-California, and the people involved.

The Source Family - Basically about a 70's style religious "cult", only with less Kool-Aid and murder and more free love and hippies. Really a great watch, with amazing footage and such because one of the members was a professional photo/videographer.

The World Before Her - Beauty pageants in India, how they've been twisted by Western beauty ideals, and about the militant traditionalists that oppose them.

Fracknation This one isn't Netflix, but it was funded via Kickstarter and you should really just watch it. Basically the author goes back to the things mentioned in "Gasland" and tries to get the true facts, and... well. Another one you really should just check out.
http://viooz.co/movies/24296-fracknation-2013.html

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here

That drat Satyr posted:

The Institute - About an ARG that took place in mid-California, and the people involved.

This was amazing. I've been thinking of making a GBS post about it, actually. I was living in SF at the time and never heard about this. I am very sad about it.

acephalousuniverse
Nov 3, 2012


That drat Satyr posted:

Fracknation This one isn't Netflix, but it was funded via Kickstarter and you should really just watch it. Basically the author goes back to the things mentioned in "Gasland" and tries to get the true facts, and... well. Another one you really should just check out.
http://viooz.co/movies/24296-fracknation-2013.html

Made by global warming denialists, so... well.

dj_clawson
Jan 12, 2004

We are all sinners in the eyes of these popsicle sticks.

Wrong thread sorry.

dj_clawson fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jun 28, 2014

dj_clawson
Jan 12, 2004

We are all sinners in the eyes of these popsicle sticks.

Nothing to see here.

dj_clawson fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jun 28, 2014

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk


acephalousuniverse posted:

Made by global warming denialists, so... well.

Fair argument, however the contents of the film does pretty well to counter the "hard facts" of the first film. Frankly I have little oppinion, pro or con vs fracking, so... meh. It is what it is.

Another great (non-related) Netflix doc recently added is No Woman, No Cry, which follows several pregnant women from different continents and shows the hurdles women face to recieve basic care that we in the west often take for granted.

edit:
Another great one I just watched - The Boy With the Henna Tattoo - NSFW, and honestly not really mind safe either - about a couple that have a surrogate son and from the cradle groom him to be a sex slave that they sell online. There's nothing too graphic shown, thankfully, but just what's detailed is awful enough. :/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xufh8XysHJ4

That Damn Satyr fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Jun 29, 2014

Rapacity
Sep 12, 2007
Grand

Pilli posted:

I doubt anyone in this thread is interested in Jean Austen, but just on the off-chance that that happens, a cast and crew recreated the ball of Pride and Prejudice, with the help of historians, a costume designer, a professional cook, a professional dance coach and dancers, and musicians. Lots of useful explanations on the Regency period manners, and how people really interacted amongst each other during a ball. It was serious, serious marital business.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01h8nFLsmB8

nice jean trolling but I actually liked her in pasteboards and I don't need a thousand artisan IT workers' wives to tell me that mr collins was the star of the book and the teevee series

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

endless gurgling about dumb shit on a dying forum.

dj_clawson posted:


Mail Order Bride (Netflix) - Too depressing to finish. I mean, I did make it through the fantastic Whore's Glory, which was much more difficult to watch but was an impressive film with things to say even without narration. This was just a bunch of white misogynists and Russian whores.



I saw one like this. It was about this creepy gross gently caress who found a woman off QQ. Happily she leaves his stupid rear end near the end.

fenix down
Jan 12, 2005



Everyone who hasn't already should check out Hands on a Hard Body. It's a completely friendly competition and the participants are wonderfully odd and unique.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzj-vb7Lj0A

penismightier
Dec 6, 2005

What the hell, I'll just eat some trash.



fenix down posted:

Everyone who hasn't already should check out Hands on a Hard Body. It's a completely friendly competition and the participants are wonderfully odd and unique.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzj-vb7Lj0A

I've always thought if this came out a few years later in the heat of that Spellbound/King of Kong era, it would've been a huge hit.

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...

penismightier posted:

I've always thought if this came out a few years later in the heat of that Spellbound/King of Kong era, it would've been a huge hit.

I saw this for the first time recently -a great documentary with great characters, but it looks like it was made in the 1980s, what with the washed-out and grainy video, tinny sound and low-tech credits. And the fashion-sense of the people they film.

While we're on classic documentaries, I just saw Grey Gardens. It's a remarkable piece but maybe difficult to recommend due to being arguably exploitative, little background or setup being given, and a bit disturbing: two slightly crazy and unhappy people tear into each and then reconcile for 90 minutes. It's exhausting.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


That's the great thing about Hands On A Hardbody. Once you leave the suburbs and big cities, you tend to forget there's places in your own country where time seems to have stopped in 1980 or so.

outlier posted:

While we're on classic documentaries, I just saw Grey Gardens. It's a remarkable piece but maybe difficult to recommend due to being arguably exploitative, little background or setup being given, and a bit disturbing: two slightly crazy and unhappy people tear into each and then reconcile for 90 minutes. It's exhausting.

Grey Gardens does not commentate on its subjects, which is remarkable these days. Let the editing tell its lies and make up your own mind. If that's hard to recommend, Herzog, Theroux, Vice, etc are impossible to recommend.

fenix down
Jan 12, 2005



outlier posted:

While we're on classic documentaries, I just saw Grey Gardens. It's a remarkable piece but maybe difficult to recommend due to being arguably exploitative, little background or setup being given, and a bit disturbing: two slightly crazy and unhappy people tear into each and then reconcile for 90 minutes. It's exhausting.
Any of you guys watched the sequel - Beales of Grey Gardens? It's a special feature on the criterion blu-ray, but I haven't gotten around to checking it out yet. :)

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010


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Left school. We

Lurk late. We
Strike straight. We

Sing sin. We
Thin gin. We

Jazz June. We
Die soon.


That drat Satyr posted:

Fracknation This one isn't Netflix, but it was funded via Kickstarter and you should really just watch it. Basically the author goes back to the things mentioned in "Gasland" and tries to get the true facts, and... well. Another one you really should just check out.
http://viooz.co/movies/24296-fracknation-2013.html

Well, the only real reason to check Fracknation out would be to see the certifiably insane couple that Josh Fox based a large portion of "Gasland" on implode hilariously on camera. The one well-researched point this film drives home is that Josh Fox is an insufferable, disingeniuous douchebag that misrepresented/omitted things about Dimock, Pennsylvania, arguably the most infamous town in the entirety of the fracking discussion.

Another thing is the whole argument that fracking doesn't cause earthquakes, but while this is something the average Joe can basically research himself, the film doesn't really do a clean job of offering a solid argument for that as a rebuttal to Gasland.

Outside of the very genuine message of "You shouldn't judge fracking by noted ill-researched and misleading 'documentary' Gasland.", the rest of the film is basically "Fracking is good because":

- It secures the livelihood of farmers that aren't able to otherwise sustain themselves
- Josh Fox is a dickwhistle. Josh Fox opposes fracking. Josh Fox lied about fracking. Therefore fracking is good.
- Russia says fracking is bad. Russia is bad. Therefore we should frack the poo poo out of the planet to not be at Russia's mercy.
- Here's a poor old polish lady in Warszaw that can barely afford rent because Russia is dictating too high energy prices. Uh...fracking is good.
- Energy is good. Energy is basically what allowed humanity to progress to where it is today. Fracking provides energy. Fracking is good.
- Countries without energy are shitholes and the people living there will never see their dreams fulfilled. Fracking provides energy. Fracking makes your dreams come true.
- My friend Bart gave a kidney to his childhood friend Link. This required a really long surgery. That used energy. Energy is good. Fracking is energy. Fracking is good.

I mean, I'm more than willing to give McAleer considerably more leeway in terms of agenda than Josh Fox because he's a crowdfunded irish sweetheart and freelance journalist, but if he points fingers at Fox for trash-journalism, then he should kinda go easy on the trash journalism in his own documentary. I really wish he would have adressed in more detail questions raised by inaccuracies or outright misrepresentations of Gasland, like how the Energy Policy Act of 2005 affected regulation. Instead, it goes "lol, no that act didn't deregulate at all, it just exempted fracking from federal law and kept it regulated at state level, all is well" and that's the end of it.

Basically, I'd wish for a documentary that neither goes "FRACKING IS HITLER", nor "FRACKING IS JESUS, BECAUSE THIS DOUCHEBAG SAID IT'S HITLER!".

fenix down
Jan 12, 2005



Duzzy Funlop posted:

Basically, I'd wish for a documentary that neither goes "FRACKING IS HITLER", nor "FRACKING IS JESUS, BECAUSE THIS DOUCHEBAG SAID IT'S HITLER!".
Exactly, it's such a polarizing issue but the rhetoric on both sides is complete nonsense.

In other news, Finding Vivian Maier FINALLY came out and it is absolutely wonderful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o2nBhQ67Zc

Dr.Caligari
May 5, 2005

"Here's a big, beautiful avatar for someone"


Has anyone made it out to see Jodorowsky's Dune yet?

fenix down posted:

In other news, Finding Vivian Maier FINALLY came out and it is absolutely wonderful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o2nBhQ67Zc

I've never heard of this, looks interesting!

Dr.Caligari fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Jun 30, 2014

robix smash
Jul 21, 2003

Mario is Missing

The Internet's Own Boy was released by the director on the Internet Archive for free. https://archive.org/details/TheInternetsOwnBoyTheStoryOfAaronSwartz

Pretty cheap to rent it on Vimeo or VOD though if you want to throw them a few bucks for their work.

Dr.Caligari posted:

Has anyone made it out to see Jodorowsky's Dune yet?
Jodorowsky's Dune makes me so glad they never got the actual movie made. Amazing, loving insane doc. Would probably have been a terrible movie though.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


Interesting, I was debating a day or two ago whether or not to see The Internet's Own Boy.

zenintrude
Apr 7, 2008

Where we're going,
we won't need eyes to see.


Dr.Caligari posted:

Has anyone made it out to see Jodorowsky's Dune yet?

I did, it's very good... had to go twice because my first screening had a crazy person yelling at the screen, which I now realize would have probably enhanced the movie had I stuck around.

fenix down
Jan 12, 2005



zenintrude posted:

I did, it's very good... had to go twice because my first screening had a crazy person yelling at the screen, which I now realize would have probably enhanced the movie had I stuck around.
Were they yelling at Refn for being too smug?

"I'm the only one who's actually seen the movie" :smuggo:

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

That's the great thing about Hands On A Hardbody. Once you leave the suburbs and big cities, you tend to forget there's places in your own country where time seems to have stopped in 1980 or so.
[quote]

True that.

[quote]
Grey Gardens does not commentate on its subjects, which is remarkable these days. Let the editing tell its lies and make up your own mind. If that's hard to recommend, Herzog, Theroux, Vice, etc are impossible to recommend.

Perhap, but I was actually getting at the point that GG just dumps you in the story ("little background or setup being given"). I watched it because I know it's Grey Gardens and I'm aware of the background, but someone would knew nothing of the picture might wonder who these people are and why we're watching this pathological and sad relationship. My partner and I had the same reaction - we thought GG was great but were hesitant to recommend it to anyone because it's hard to say why they should watch it.

But then again, I've read people describing the life of the Beales as "inspirational" and talking about "Grey Gardens style", so my own reaction may be astray.

nonathlon fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Jun 30, 2014

acephalousuniverse
Nov 3, 2012


You should watch it because it's an incredibly well-made film about a bizarre situation. Documentaries don't have to be about WORLD SHATTERING ISSUES OF THE DAY to be worth viewing. "Two old ladies with a weird relationship in a dilapidated mansion" is a fine subject for a film. Certainly a lot better than "I have a small dick," "I ruined my marriage because I have a fetish for cheating on my wife with prostitutes," "I have an agenda against environmentalists and people gave me money to make a movie about it," or whatever other bullshit.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


outlier posted:

Perhap, but I was actually getting at the point that GG just dumps you in the story ("little background or setup being given"). I watched it because I know it's Grey Gardens and I'm aware of the background, but someone would knew nothing of the picture might wonder who these people are and why we're watching this pathological and sad relationship. My partner and I had the same reaction - we thought GG was great but were hesitant to recommend it to anyone because it's hard to say why they should watch it.

But then again, I've read people describing the life of the Beales as "inspirational" and talking about "Grey Gardens style", so my own reaction may be astray.

Isn't that better sometimes? GG isn't trying to make a didactic point so it has no obligation to lay out the key players. It just thrusts you in and you're immersed in the world of these faded debutantes. I suppose if you'd watched Whatever Happened To Baby Jane right before, it wouldn't seem that jarring. But I really like when a documentary just drops you in and says "watch this for a while". It's like you found someone's home movies.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009


Britain's War Against Napoleon covers is a good starting point in learning both the events that led to the Napoleonic Wars and details the eventual fate of both countries. Whilst it tries to cover too much with too little, It still does a decent job of informing the viewer enough to dig deeper (read books!)

It is a Channel 4 documentary after all.

Part 1 Armies covers the development and differences of both nations armies in the struggle in land in Europe.

Part 2 Navies looks into the structure, political differences and the fate of the Navies of both countries.

And finally, Part 3 Freedom is a deeper look into the background of how the French Revolution happened and how it affected the people of Great Britain as well as the people of mainland Europe.

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Isn't that better sometimes? GG isn't trying to make a didactic point so it has no obligation to lay out the key players. It just thrusts you in and you're immersed in the world of these faded debutantes. I suppose if you'd watched Whatever Happened To Baby Jane right before, it wouldn't seem that jarring. But I really like when a documentary just drops you in and says "watch this for a while". It's like you found someone's home movies.

Perhaps. But it does make it difficult to recommend to someone. "What's it about?" Uh ...

Another classic documentary I saw recently was The Wonderful Horrible Life of Leni Reifenstahl. Arguably not without it's faults (it's old and shows it, nearly three hours long and the interviewer handles Reifenstahl with kid gloves), but it's a fascinating story: the ingenue Reifenstahl rising to become Nazi Germany's leading documentary maker, mixing with the powerful and famous, gettting flown to England to show them how to make propaganda. Then in her old age filming in the remotes of Africa and underwater.

There's a lot unsaid and skirted over, presumably due to Reifenstahl's cooperation. But she's an incredible person.

appleskates
Feb 21, 2008

Find your freedom in the music.
Find your Jesus, find your Kubrick.


I watched The Internet's Own Boy, tonight, the doc about Aaron Swartz. It was really inspirational and yet depressing. He was such a visionary, he actually wanted to do the cliched "make the world a better place," but it was reasonable, and achievable. loving depressing what the Federal Courts were trying to do. Anyway, it was good.

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here

appleskates posted:

I watched The Internet's Own Boy, tonight, the doc about Aaron Swartz. It was really inspirational and yet depressing. He was such a visionary, he actually wanted to do the cliched "make the world a better place," but it was reasonable, and achievable. loving depressing what the Federal Courts were trying to do. Anyway, it was good.

This sound interesting. Where can I watch it?

E: never mind, I found it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNRTb4RXkPo

Waltzing Along fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Jul 5, 2014

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

Documentary about the castles that King Ludwig II built across Bavaria, hosted by Dan Cruickshanks. He's a bit like Meades but friendlier, less opinionated and without the Jeremy Clarkson-for-pseuds contrarianism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIsCrlqPFrY

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

Waltzing Along posted:

This sound interesting. Where can I watch it?

E: never mind, I found it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNRTb4RXkPo

I watched the first hour of this and it seemed to be mainly romanticised hagiography than documentary. Does a critical voice about Aaron appear at any point during the documentary? The long magazine pieces that came out right after he died seemed to be me to be much more balanced and informative.

baquerd
Jul 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless


cloudchamber posted:

I watched the first hour of this and it seemed to be mainly romanticised hagiography than documentary. Does a critical voice about Aaron appear at any point during the documentary? The long magazine pieces that came out right after he died seemed to be me to be much more balanced and informative.

No, there's no NPOV to be found. That said, if someone likes to idealize free speech and free information, or is simply anti-government, they'll probably enjoy it.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


There's something about that Aaron Swartz documentary that's really tasteless in a naive way, but I can't put my finger on it.

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



The documentary about the rise of TMNT in pop culture is pretty good. Currently on Netflix.

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