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Propagandalf
Dec 6, 2008

itchy itchy itchy itchy

headshot24 posted:

What's the hive mind on 15-22 vs. 522? I need a plinker for an 11 year old who is way too into Call of Duty to see how cool my Nylon 66 is.

The hive mind opinion is you can't go wrong with either.

Personally, I blew the extractor off my (apparently low-serial) 15-22 that I bought new. Because of an OOB firing. After maybe 200 rounds. I wish I'd gotten the $375 used 522 at Cabelas.

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The Automator
Jan 16, 2009


Propagandalf posted:

The hive mind opinion is you can't go wrong with either.

Personally, I blew the extractor off my (apparently low-serial) 15-22 that I bought new. Because of an OOB firing. After maybe 200 rounds. I wish I'd gotten the $375 used 522 at Cabelas.

I've put a good number of rounds through a good friend's 522 and haven't had a single issue. It's a pretty slick gun.

Propagandalf
Dec 6, 2008

itchy itchy itchy itchy

It helps that I already have a 556, and lots of parts will interchange.

abortionfailure
Jun 29, 2006

perpetuatin the stereotype

Gtab posted:

The EAA/Tanfoglio 10mm pistols cracked frames and slides a lot, possibly more than the Deltas.

The newer ones dont appear to have this problem, the older style witness with the more rounded slide are still susceptible, however.

Uncle Caveman
Jun 16, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.


televiper posted:

Do the 10mm Glocks have fully supported chambers?
I'll have to check again, but I recall my G29's chamber appearing to be more fully supported than the pics of .40 Glock chambers I've seen.

infrared35 posted:

Or a SIG P220 with a conversion kit. :c00lbert:
Is there actually a 10mm conversion barrel available? Or is it an entirely new slide? I've only seen .400 Cor-Bon conversions.

Black Stormy
Apr 1, 2003



Uncle Caveman posted:

I'll have to check again, but I recall my G29's chamber appearing to be more fully supported than the pics of .40 Glock chambers I've seen.

All the brass that I put through my Glock 29 was bulged at the base.

BaronW
Apr 16, 2007

Why yes, I HAVE seen uhaul.jpg

Uncle Caveman posted:

I'll have to check again, but I recall my G29's chamber appearing to be more fully supported than the pics of .40 Glock chambers I've seen.

Is there actually a 10mm conversion barrel available? Or is it an entirely new slide? I've only seen .400 Cor-Bon conversions.

I think gray guns was doing 10mm conversions to P220's.

Carbohydrates
Nov 22, 2006

Listen, Mr. Kansas Law Dog.
Law don't go around here.
Savvy?


dumb question time. What's the functional difference between brass and steel cased cartridges?

Gtab
Dec 9, 2003
I am a horrible person, disregard my posts.

Carbohydrates posted:

dumb question time. What's the functional difference between brass and steel cased cartridges?

One is brass and one is steel

emathey
May 18, 2008


Carbohydrates posted:

dumb question time. What's the functional difference between brass and steel cased cartridges?

Brass is more elastic than steel. Brass cartridges expand upon firing, and then shrink back down after which allows them to extract easier.

edit: poo poo, beaten.

Carbohydrates
Nov 22, 2006

Listen, Mr. Kansas Law Dog.
Law don't go around here.
Savvy?


Gtab posted:

One is brass and one is steel
yeah that right there is why I said functional difference

Pitch
Jun 16, 2005

しらんけど


emathey posted:

Brass is more elastic than steel. Brass cartridges expand upon firing, and then shrink back down after which allows them to extract easier.
The important part of this is that when the brass stretches it seals up tightly against the chamber wall. Because steel doesn't, more gas and fouling escapes back into the action.

Hypnolobster
Apr 12, 2007

What this sausage party needs is a big dollop of ketchup! Too bad I didn't make any. :(



I can get a service carried 4046 that has less than 200 rounds through it for $245. Is it worth it? I've never shot one, though if I remember correctly they were sort of mediocre.

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

border patrol qt


Plaster Town Cop

Hypnolobster posted:

I can get a service carried 4046 that has less than 200 rounds through it for $245. Is it worth it? I've never shot one, though if I remember correctly they were sort of mediocre.

The trigger isn't great on the 4046, but it's a solid gun, accurate once you get used to the trigger, and hard to beat at that price.

Being all stainless, it makes for easy maintenance, and the extra weight helps manage some of the .40's recoil.

infrared35 fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Dec 6, 2010

Groveling Toast
Jun 2, 2008



Propagandalf posted:

The hive mind opinion is you can't go wrong with either.

Personally, I blew the extractor off my (apparently low-serial) 15-22 that I bought new. Because of an OOB firing. After maybe 200 rounds. I wish I'd gotten the $375 used 522 at Cabelas.

522s look like they run about $50 less on average so that's probably the route I'll go.

Anyone still doing the 556+522 deal? My bank account needs a hit.

I like turtles
Aug 6, 2009



headshot24 posted:

522s look like they run about $50 less on average so that's probably the route I'll go.

Anyone still doing the 556+522 deal? My bank account needs a hit.

CDNN might still be, give'em a call.

Ninja Rope
Oct 22, 2005

Wee.


Thanks for the replies, I remembered Kimber to be the company with the "500 round break in" policy but I was hoping someone would step up and say their 10mm's were better designed and super great, or something. Guess not!

Edit: Here's a link to the Sigforum thread on the P220ST 10mm. It's a custom job by Gray Guns running $2-3k depending on what you want done and the base pistol you start with.

Ninja Rope fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Dec 6, 2010

Uncle Caveman
Jun 16, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.


Ninja Rope posted:

P220ST 10mm... It's a custom job by Gray Guns running $2-3k
I applaud their efforts buuuuuuut yeah I'll just buy a non-custom job by Glock for $5-6hundred

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Australia cares about cunts. Including this one.

headshot24 posted:

522s look like they run about $50 less on average so that's probably the route I'll go.

Anyone still doing the 556+522 deal? My bank account needs a hit.

They were not when I bought my 15-22 this summer. :(

I love my 15-22 and love the fact I can swap parts with my AR. I bet I would also love the sig though. The mags being comparably priced only makes the decision harder except:

The 15-22 has rails and is totally in every modern set FPS. Clear winner to the 11 year old. :v:

Bogon
Nov 7, 2006


Ninja Rope posted:

Edit: Here's a link to the Sigforum thread on the P220ST 10mm. It's a custom job by Gray Guns running $2-3k depending on what you want done and the base pistol you start with.

Haha holy poo poo that's about how much my custom 1911 Long Slide 10mm cost.

Gray Stormy
Dec 19, 2006



Of the five or six other people who had shot my 15-22, about half of them went and bought their own afterwords. Its that fun.

Uncle Caveman
Jun 16, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.


Is anyone using a Kaluban Cloak mag holder? I don't see any photos or prices listed on their site.

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

border patrol qt


Plaster Town Cop

Secret Ooze posted:

Of the five or six other people who had shot my 15-22, about half of them went and bought their own afterwords. Its that fun.

I tried to buy yours but you were all like, "Nuh-uh."

Elwood P. Dowd
Oct 13, 2005

Jimmy Stewart would approve

poopgiggle posted:

Appendix carry is alright for the car; I drove from Houston to Tulsa carrying that way and almost forgot it was there. It's easy to draw from the seated position, and easy to conceal.

Having a SAO pistol in condition 1 pointed at your junk & femoral artery all day is something you would have to come to peace with, however.

Meh I played with my gun (teehee) and I think with the clothing I wear, crossdraw appendix would be okay. 'specially because that configuration points the gun away from the important bits.

So what are some good holster manufacturers to look for? Mitch Rosen doesn't have anything I want, had a Galco that I threw away (waste of $80). Milt Sparks's Summer Special 2 looks okay but I definitely need to tuck my shirt in. V-clips or the j-hooks would work okay. Oh and I also want a little flap that extends up and protects my delicate skin from the sharp bits of my gun. Don't always wear an undershirt you know.

Lakedaimon
Jan 11, 2007



I mentioned a couple pages back I was thinking about getting a Mossberg 590. Dunhams has a model on sale (a 500 special purpose) with a shorter tube for like $249. But im also tempted to get one of those Interstate Arms trench guns instead because I prefer wood to synthetic. Anyone had any problems with the IA trench gun?

Went into my LGS thinking about ordering a Firestorm 380, however the guy I usually deal with wasnt there and it was pretty obvious the all-knowing clerk that was there didnt care much for Bersas so he claimed that they were unable to import at the time and couldnt be ordered (when I got home I saw that their distributor has 40+ on hand and can deliver to the store next day). He was trying to "upsell" me on either a Sig 250 (DAO is kind of a dealbreaker in a pistol that big) or a Ruger LCP. I dont think he quite understood I was looking for something inbetween those two sizes - like a ppk.

On the plus side my father dug up an old Beretta .22 he bought back in the 60s for like $20. I think it was a model 948, nice little gun and probably fun as hell to shoot.

Lakedaimon fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Dec 7, 2010

I like turtles
Aug 6, 2009



Not gun related but gently caress it:


Holy poo poo Valhalla Rising.
Holy poo poo.
:black101:

Gingerbread House Music
Dec 1, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


Lipstick Apathy

I like turtles posted:

Not gun related but gently caress it:


Holy poo poo Valhalla Rising.
Holy poo poo.
:black101:

OH GOD THE MUD MEN ARE ANGRY AND THEY HAVE CLUBS

FORUMS USER 1135
Jan 14, 2004



spankmeister posted:

This is kinda cool, what is it exactly?

ABAQUS. Its a finite element solver.

HappyCapybaraFamily
Sep 16, 2009

Roger Baolong Thunder Dragon has been fascinated by this sophisticated and scientifically beautiful industry since childhood, and has shown his talent in the design and manufacture of watches.



Maybe I've misinterpreted a lot of things I've read and heard, but it seems a lot of people dislike slide safeties. Is this true, and if so, why?

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

border patrol qt


Plaster Town Cop

HappyCapybaraFamily posted:

Maybe I've misinterpreted a lot of things I've read and heard, but it seems a lot of people dislike slide safeties. Is this true, and if so, why?

Yes, mainly because:

1) It reduces the area of the slide serrations where you grip the slide

2) Working the slide vigorously may result in activating the safety when you don't intend to

3) If you've got such a pistol for self-defense and you like to keep the safety on, it can be awkward to switch to "fire" quickly if you need the pistol in a hurry


Obviously none of these are deal-breakers if you train with the pistol enough, but they are valid concerns.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Behind every great engineer is someone just hoping the "genius" doesn't bankrupt everyone.



infrared35 posted:

Yes, mainly because:

1) It reduces the area of the slide serrations where you grip the slide

2) Working the slide vigorously may result in activating the safety when you don't intend to

3) If you've got such a pistol for self-defense and you like to keep the safety on, it can be awkward to switch to "fire" quickly if you need the pistol in a hurry


Obviously none of these are deal-breakers if you train with the pistol enough, but they are valid concerns.

Don't forget the most important part: slide mounted safeties are for dirty Europeans. Nazi Europeans*



Frame mounted safeties are for freedom loving Americans and were handed down by His Holiness Saint Browning




*communists, having no souls, don't bother with a safety of any kind. This is why god fearing, freedom loving patriots will always support even the dirtiest of Europeans or the scuzziest of dictators rather than suffer a communist regime to flourish. Frame mounted safeties and heel mag releases, while far inferior to Browning-Pattern Freedom, are at least better than the bleak, depressing, alternative of state-issued Tokarevs and Nagants.

Fact: Obama, secret Kenyan socialist moon muslim that he is, has plans drawn up to issue every American with a Nagant pistol - this is why the retail stocks of them, previously thought as inexhaustible a resource as Freedom, God's Love, or the Alaskan Oil Reserves, dried up immediately after he was elected. By introducing every citizen to shooting through that godawful DA trigger he hopes to kill off shooting as a part of our National Heritage and culture, all while distributing guns that are probably more effective weapons when used as a sap, or perhaps when thrown.

edit: more food for thought -

The US army introduced the M9 as its standard side arm in 1990 rather than continue using the One True Pistol. Just look at that thing. SHAMEFUL. To the military's credit they managed to delay accepting this thing for over 10 years through stringing out the testing and trials process from the late 70s through to the late 80s.



Who designed the M9? That's right, Beretta. Where is Beretta from? That's right, Italy. That's in EUROPE.

Know what else comes from Italy? Yeah, I bet you do:



And WHO was in office when the decision was made to replace the 1911 and the initial choice of Beretta was made?

That's right:



Believe it or not, he was openly Democrat! :monocle:

Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Dec 7, 2010

blackknight5k
Oct 22, 2008


Cyrano4747 posted:

Fact: Obama, secret Kenyan socialist moon muslim that he is, has plans drawn up to issue every American with a Nagant pistol - this is why the retail stocks of them, previously thought as inexhaustible a resource as Freedom, God's Love, or the Alaskan Oil Reserves, dried up immediately after he was elected. By introducing every citizen to shooting through that godawful DA trigger he hopes to kill off shooting as a part of our National Heritage and culture, all while distributing guns that are probably more effective weapons when used as a sap, or perhaps when thrown.

I KNEW IT!

Also, some guy on armslist is claiming to have a real sniper mosin that's "all matching" for 800 bucks but no pictures.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/74447/fayetteville-north-carolina-rifles-for-sale-or-trade-mosin-nagant-9130-original-sniper-rifle

I have no idea about sniper mosins, and I'm not really interested in owning it, but I am interested in knowing if it actually is one or if he got hosed over by someone.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Behind every great engineer is someone just hoping the "genius" doesn't bankrupt everyone.



blackknight5k posted:

I KNEW IT!

Also, some guy on armslist is claiming to have a real sniper mosin that's "all matching" for 800 bucks but no pictures.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/74447/fayetteville-north-carolina-rifles-for-sale-or-trade-mosin-nagant-9130-original-sniper-rifle

I have no idea about sniper mosins, and I'm not really interested in owning it, but I am interested in knowing if it actually is one or if he got hosed over by someone.

Without pictures? Who the gently caress knows.

If it is a real one $850 would be about right for it, maybe a touch more. I don't really follow the sniper rifle market and it can be really volatile, but $850 about jives with what I've heard them quoted at before.

damug
Jun 21, 2004


blackknight5k posted:

I KNEW IT!

Also, some guy on armslist is claiming to have a real sniper mosin that's "all matching" for 800 bucks but no pictures.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/74447/fayetteville-north-carolina-rifles-for-sale-or-trade-mosin-nagant-9130-original-sniper-rifle

I have no idea about sniper mosins, and I'm not really interested in owning it, but I am interested in knowing if it actually is one or if he got hosed over by someone.

A new market for Mitchell's Mausers after the RC Mauser stocks dry up. Mitchell's Mosins selling you the finest all matching Mosin Sniper, Vasily Zaytsev used it himself in the Battle of Stalingrad. Yours for the low price of $1,500.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Behind every great engineer is someone just hoping the "genius" doesn't bankrupt everyone.



damug posted:

A new market for Mitchell's Mausers after the RC Mauser stocks dry up. Mitchell's Mosins selling you the finest all matching Mosin Sniper, Vasily Zaitsev used it himself in the Battle of Stalingrad. Yours for the low price of $1,500.

They already sell "russian sniper rifles."

some used car salesman posing as a gun dealer posted:

M91-21 - - Soviet Mosin Nagant Sniper Rifle with lockable airline-proof aircraft aluminum case Collector Grade - - $1500.00

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Australia cares about cunts. Including this one.

Cyrano4747 posted:

:911::words::black101:

Holy poo poo.

Illegal Clown
Feb 18, 2004



Cyrano4747 posted:

Without pictures? Who the gently caress knows.

If it is a real one $850 would be about right for it, maybe a touch more. I don't really follow the sniper rifle market and it can be really volatile, but $850 about jives with what I've heard them quoted at before.

Yeah, that's the right price, but it could be one of those $300 reproduction ones and the guy is trying to rip off someone. I can usually spot a fake pretty well, since I've seen plenty of those new production ones from Century, but I can't always tell if one is real. A few weeks ago I found a Mosin sniper built on a Finnish marked 91/30. It was priced at around $800, but I was only about 98% sure it was real so I passed. The only thing that looked odd was the bolt handle looked too new. Not that it looked like it was made last year, but it didn't look like it had been on the rifle for decades. For all I knew some guy wanted to make his own sniper rifle years ago, so took his Finn 91/30 and converted it to a sniper. It was a nice rifle and probably a good shooter, but I didn't want to take a chance. Plus I'm not really into sniper rifles either.

darnzen
Jun 25, 2005

I crap dark matter.

I like turtles posted:

Not gun related but gently caress it:


Holy poo poo Valhalla Rising.
Holy poo poo.
:black101:

I watched that with my 16 yr old son the other day on Netflix. It was one of the most disturbing movies I've ever seen. The realism of the head crushing has stained my soul.

My kid fell asleep, he was bored. :iiam:

Mr. Funny Pants
Apr 9, 2001



Cyrano4747 posted:



Who designed the M9? That's right, Beretta. Where is Beretta from? That's right, Italy. That's in EUROPE.

But it's so beautiful.

quote:

Know what else comes from Italy? Yeah, I bet you do:



...and...



...and did I mention,



Bam! Viva Italia!

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Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Behind every great engineer is someone just hoping the "genius" doesn't bankrupt everyone.



Mr. Funny Pants posted:

Bam! Viva Italia!

Your sympathies betray you.

You picked a red car, COMRADE

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