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AchmedTheSnake
Apr 6, 2006
This title is clever.

faddypaddy posted:

First off the DLAB is a horrible indicator of how well you will do. Secondly just work your rear end off and you will be fine. DLI isn't hard so much as some people just stop giving a gently caress or never did. I didn't see a single person while I was there who legitimately put work in and didn't pass. It won't be easy it is a lot work but if you do it, it's not that hard to pass.

I don't actually agree with you here. I've seen lots of people bust their asses and fail. I swear to God this place is dependent on aptitude to the point where it is infuriating, because the freaks are the only ones who seem to do well. That's probably why everyone who meets a linguist in the "real world" says they are weird as gently caress.

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General Probe
Dec 28, 2004
Has this been done before?

Soiled Meat

somewhatpathetic posted:

Probably has to to with the millions that were jut shilled out in the 1N3/1A8 back pay spree.

Nah man, we were all paid TDY as promised. The back-pay was for BAH which is a little bit absurd, but drat if I don't expect to be paid it now that everyone else has. Also there's no way it adds up to millions. The average stay (and it applies only to AF) was ~3 mo netting most people around 3G and there sure as poo poo ain't 15000+ AF linguists passing through there per year. Doing some very rough math the back pay doled out didn't evern approach 500,000

somewhatpathetic
Oct 21, 2012


I agree with it being absurd, but we wouldn't have been getting BAH there if we weren't TDY. And there is definitely more than 1000 folk owed the pay.. 1000 x 1000 is a million dude.

standard.deviant
May 16, 2012

Globally Indigent

somewhatpathetic posted:

I agree with it being absurd, but we wouldn't have been getting BAH there if we weren't TDY. And there is definitely more than 1000 folk owed the pay.. 1000 x 1000 is a million dude.
He's a linguist, zeroes mean nothing to him.

Androies
Oct 23, 2008

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:siren: Update from DLI :siren:
Airman Badgers is a shitbag

Shuffleboard Shootout
Dec 26, 2006

Tsoukawhat?


I just hope they do it soon. I have nightmares that I'm forgotten and am stuck in class forever..

Sir Lucius
Aug 3, 2003


Look, I read this thread to feel better about myself, so please spare no details.

TheUnhorse
Oct 28, 2010

Smartest little intel sperg in the whole world


Hey to whoever was asking how the Army chooses languages; it's completely arbitrarily and 99% likely based on what classes need bodies that your DLAB can fill. Also, DLABs mean nothing in class (no one will know) and most linguists suck dick at the job.

Androies
Oct 23, 2008

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TheUnhorse posted:

Hey to whoever was asking how the Army chooses languages; it's completely arbitrarily and 99% likely based on what classes need bodies that your DLAB can fill. Also, DLABs mean nothing in class (no one will know) and most linguists suck dick at the job.

Yeah, I'm just here because infantry was full. My recruiter lied to me!!!

How bad is it once you get out of Goodfellow? I'm kind of tired of having everyone constantly tell us we'll all be shining stars with money pouring on us once we get language qualified.

TheUnhorse
Oct 28, 2010

Smartest little intel sperg in the whole world


Linguist has better prospects than infantry for sure, but it just depends. After Goodfellow, it really depends on where you go... What language?

Super Camper
Jan 22, 2012


faddypaddy posted:

First off the DLAB is a horrible indicator of how well you will do. Secondly just work your rear end off and you will be fine. DLI isn't hard so much as some people just stop giving a gently caress or never did. I didn't see a single person while I was there who legitimately put work in and didn't pass. It won't be easy it is a lot work but if you do it, it's not that hard to pass.

I've seen the hardest working people still fail, and i've seen lazy people pass with decent scores. I dont even think classroom performance and dlpt scores are related.

Androies
Oct 23, 2008

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TheUnhorse posted:

Linguist has better prospects than infantry for sure, but it just depends. After Goodfellow, it really depends on where you go... What language?

Persian Farsi.

And we had this teacher come into our class from the Student Learning Center who bragged that he picked up "passing DLPTs" as a hobby where he'd just commit to memory certain words from a language, then take the DLPT for it and get a passing grade. He said he'd taken the test so many times he can just guess through them based on the questions.

TheUnhorse
Oct 28, 2010

Smartest little intel sperg in the whole world


Androies posted:

Persian Farsi.

And we had this teacher come into our class from the Student Learning Center who bragged that he picked up "passing DLPTs" as a hobby where he'd just commit to memory certain words from a language, then take the DLPT for it and get a passing grade. He said he'd taken the test so many times he can just guess through them based on the questions.

Do you have orders or a projected assignment yet? PF ling you'll obviously never use your language in a tactical unit, you may get some skills but it's not likely. If you can get to Fort Gordon's strategic unit you can probably pick up the skills, maintain the language, and even branch out to other sigint poo poo maybe, not sure how focused it is down there. If you can come up to the mothership itself somehow, though, the sky is the limit.

The DLPT is a fine way to assess language aptitude; no test will ever be perfect but I've never met anyone that's good at the language that didn't get a 3/3. It's funny how lovely people are the only ones that ever complain it's a bad test, although you hear the same bitching from fatties about the PT test...

edit: or you could get onto a sot-a team at an sf group.

Super Camper
Jan 22, 2012


TheUnhorse posted:

The DLPT is a fine way to assess language aptitude...

A fine way to assess proficiency you mean. Aptitude and proficiency are different things.

TheUnhorse
Oct 28, 2010

Smartest little intel sperg in the whole world


Super Camper posted:

A fine way to assess proficiency you mean. Aptitude and proficiency are different things.

Ya my bad thanks for the catch.

Super Camper
Jan 22, 2012


The Air Force's marching rule for ATP students has been removed from the DLI. Thank god.

Friar Zucchini
Aug 6, 2010



And only duty hours for ITP. :toot:

Androies
Oct 23, 2008

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My friend just got pulled from Farsi Class and was given a choice of staying in the Army or leaving. She choose to stay and they gave her 35Q, Crypto network warfare specialist. All the Airforce people who got pulled with her are being kicked out, the navy guy is getting undezed status, and she got ultra secret computer hacker. I thought it was funny.

not caring here
Feb 22, 2012

blazemastah 2 dry 4 u

Androies posted:

My friend just got pulled from Farsi Class and was given a choice of staying in the Army or leaving. She choose to stay and they gave her 35Q, Crypto network warfare specialist. All the Airforce people who got pulled with her are being kicked out, the navy guy is getting undezed status, and she got ultra secret computer hacker. I thought it was funny.

How the gently caress does that even happen? I mean, 35Q slots are booked out until April, I heard.

TheUnhorse
Oct 28, 2010

Smartest little intel sperg in the whole world


The jokes on her, that course is loving hard as hell. Harder than DLI could ever be. Hope she didn't drop out of Farsi because she didn't know how to study...

Androies
Oct 23, 2008

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TheUnhorse posted:

The jokes on her, that course is loving hard as hell. Harder than DLI could ever be. Hope she didn't drop out of Farsi because she didn't know how to study...

Yeah, she's nervous about it, kind of pissed because of how hard it is and how long, but with her case it really was a lack of ability why she failed out. I saw her at study hall every night putting in extra hours to try and pass but just didn't click.

And after she got her slot she was approached by two sergeants from our platoon who pretty much cried about not getting that job and how they were told the slots were on a "two year waiting list".

TheUnhorse
Oct 28, 2010

Smartest little intel sperg in the whole world


Androies posted:

Yeah, she's nervous about it, kind of pissed because of how hard it is and how long, but with her case it really was a lack of ability why she failed out. I saw her at study hall every night putting in extra hours to try and pass but just didn't click.

And after she got her slot she was approached by two sergeants from our platoon who pretty much cried about not getting that job and how they were told the slots were on a "two year waiting list".

Yeah that's some poo poo that course is booked solid solid solid for a long time. Odd.

Gooble Gobble
May 2, 2011

One of us


Androies posted:

My friend just got pulled from Farsi Class and was given a choice of staying in the Army or leaving. She choose to stay and they gave her 35Q, Crypto network warfare specialist. All the Airforce people who got pulled with her are being kicked out, the navy guy is getting undezed status, and she got ultra secret computer hacker. I thought it was funny.

I'm going to stop reading this thread now.

Gooble Gobble fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Feb 9, 2014

Bellum
Jun 3, 2011

All war is deception.


I was pulled from Russian and given 13D. 35Q is a goddamn dream job.

Sir Lucius
Aug 3, 2003


TheUnhorse posted:

Yeah that's some poo poo that course is booked solid solid solid for a long time. Odd.

Do 35Qs go straight to JCAC now, or is that still considered a C school for the Army?

Dirk Digglet
Aug 16, 2009

When I close my eyes, I see this thing, a sign, I see this name in bright blue neon lights with a purple outline

Androies posted:

Yeah, she's nervous about it, kind of pissed because of how hard it is and how long

:quagmire:

TheUnhorse
Oct 28, 2010

Smartest little intel sperg in the whole world


Sir Lucius, I do believe 35Qs go to JCAC down south. I've also heard that the course either already has been or will soon be watered down quite a bit since the attrition rate has been insane.

Sir Lucius
Aug 3, 2003


The attrition rate was high for Navy because it was mostly kids fresh out of boot who didn't feel like studying. Back when I went the other branches went to an A school first that lasted a couple months, and then the top performers of those classes could go to JCAC. But this was right when 35Q had been developed, so I wasn't sure if the Army was sending booters right to JCAC these days.

Super Camper
Jan 22, 2012


For those of you that are going to be Cryptologic Language Analysts here at the DLI. What kind of intelligence does the Cryptologic Language Analyst position deal with? Is it MASINT, SIGINT, CYBINT, etc.?

TheUnhorse
Oct 28, 2010

Smartest little intel sperg in the whole world


hone those intel skills early and try to figure it out. hint: look up what those ints actually cover

redneck nazgul
Apr 25, 2013


Toilet Rascal

Super Camper posted:

For those of you that are going to be Cryptologic Language Analysts here at the DLI. What kind of intelligence does the Cryptologic Language Analyst position deal with? Is it MASINT, SIGINT, CYBINT, etc.?

RUMINT, generally. Especially at DLI.

Super Camper
Jan 22, 2012


TheUnhorse posted:

hone those intel skills early and try to figure it out. hint: look up what those ints actually cover

Well the reason I ask is because from what I heard from several people, Cryptologic Language Analysts don't actually do any sort of intelligence gathering. They just translate. Which is why I'm curious as to what category of intelligence gathering it belongs under. To me, the Cryptologic Language Analyst position doesn't seem related to intelligence gathering at all, unless I'm not being told something. Its just a language translating job with a cool name. Nor does the Cryptologic Language Analyst job have anything to do with cryptology, cryptography, or cryptanalysis.

redneck nazgul
Apr 25, 2013


Toilet Rascal

Super Camper posted:

Well the reason I ask is because from what I heard from several people, Cryptologic Language Analysts don't actually do any sort of intelligence gathering. They just translate. Which is why I'm curious as to what category of intelligence gathering it belongs under. To me, the Cryptologic Language Analyst position doesn't seem related to intelligence gathering at all, unless I'm not being told something. Its just a language translating job with a cool name. Nor does the Cryptologic Language Analyst job have anything to do with cryptology, cryptography, or cryptanalysis.

You seem to be an expert already. You should enlist.

standard.deviant
May 16, 2012

Globally Indigent

Super Camper posted:

Well the reason I ask is because from what I heard from several people, Cryptologic Language Analysts don't actually do any sort of intelligence gathering. They just translate. Which is why I'm curious as to what category of intelligence gathering it belongs under. To me, the Cryptologic Language Analyst position doesn't seem related to intelligence gathering at all, unless I'm not being told something. Its just a language translating job with a cool name. Nor does the Cryptologic Language Analyst job have anything to do with cryptology, cryptography, or cryptanalysis.
Maybe they're not telling you for a reason. :iiam:

Super Camper
Jan 22, 2012


standard.deviant posted:

Maybe they're not telling you for a reason. :iiam:

Thats what I was sorta leaning towards.

Dirk Digglet
Aug 16, 2009

When I close my eyes, I see this thing, a sign, I see this name in bright blue neon lights with a purple outline

You probably won't get the type of answers you're looking for mostly because of :ssh: OPSEC :ssh:

As a 1A8 I can tell you this job owns. Translation seems like it would be the most mind-numbing part of the job, but in reality I find its the most rewarding. Few people see the work you produce and the ones that do will use it to enhance decisions made down the road.

Dirk Digglet fucked around with this message at 02:39 on May 15, 2013

Friar Zucchini
Aug 6, 2010



Anyone else get voluntold to be in blues for the Memorial Day thing tomorrow?

AchmedTheSnake
Apr 6, 2006
This title is clever.

Nope, sorry guy. I remember last year it was super windy kind of like this year and an rear end-ton of people lost their hats. However, it is pretty cool in that it is to remember those who died and all. I don't mind going to this formation at all. Also bagpipes.

Androies
Oct 23, 2008

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Got to avoid doing that whole Memorial Day thing because I was on "immersion" to Fort Ord. :smuggo: On the negative side, God drat Memorial day weekend safety brief.

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TheUnhorse
Oct 28, 2010

Smartest little intel sperg in the whole world


Androies posted:

Got to avoid doing that whole Memorial Day thing because I was on "immersion" to Fort Ord. :smuggo: On the negative side, God drat Memorial day weekend safety brief.

Ugh I forgot all about those immersions. They sucked

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