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bathhouse
Apr 21, 2010

We're getting into a rhythm now

I hope we visit the Horneater Peaks eventually :allears:

I'm thinking of being lazy and skipping Warbreaker and Elantris, i've been spoiled on most of their happenings reading Cosmere theories. Although i'll probably pick them up after WoR for something to do. Getting excited for a book release is a cool feeling.

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404GoonNotFound
Aug 6, 2006

The McRib is back!?!?


bathhouse posted:

I hope we visit the Horneater Peaks eventually :allears:

No offense, but I really doubt how well a Mormon could portray a culture based almost entirely around drinking.

Mortanis
Dec 28, 2005

It's your father's lightsaber. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight.

College Slice

Yeah. It's beyond my ability to believe that an author, who makes a living writing about things that they've never experienced in their lives, could write that convincingly. His personal experience with complex magic systems and all that killing he's done has prepped him for the rest of his writing, but being able to write drinking is the stretch.

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013


Mortanis posted:

Yeah. It's beyond my ability to believe that an author, who makes a living writing about things that they've never experienced in their lives, could write that convincingly. His personal experience with complex magic systems and all that killing he's done has prepped him for the rest of his writing, but being able to write drinking is the stretch.

This, plus it's not like we Mormons refrain from other "vices" besides drinking. We know how to indulge, and what overindulgence is, we know of the concept of "holding your liquor", and of addiction or casual indulgence. We understand the idea of partying, etc.

Plus, even if Brandon himself doesn't know, he could draw upon his Mormon background nonetheless. The alcohol restriction wasn't enforced until the early 1900s. Brigham Young owned a brewery, in fact, and there was supposedly a really tasty, Salt Lake Valley-only brew that he created.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

Gygaxian posted:

This, plus it's not like we Mormons refrain from other "vices" besides drinking. We know how to indulge, and what overindulgence is, we know of the concept of "holding your liquor", and of addiction or casual indulgence. We understand the idea of partying, etc.

Plus, even if Brandon himself doesn't know, he could draw upon his Mormon background nonetheless. The alcohol restriction wasn't enforced until the early 1900s. Brigham Young owned a brewery, in fact, and there was supposedly a really tasty, Salt Lake Valley-only brew that he created.
Was it this one, perchance? http://www.wasatchbeers.com/polygporter.html

Tunicate
May 15, 2012





404GoonNotFound posted:

No offense, but I really doubt how well a Mormon could portray a culture based almost entirely around drinking.

That's exactly what the Jeopardy people thought about Brandon's college roommate.

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013



Nope, it was called Valley Tan. Mark Twain tried it, he said this: "But we knew afterward that it was something he had been drinking. It was the exclusive Mormon refresher, 'valley tan.' Valley tan (or, at least, one form of valley tan) is a kind of whisky, or first cousin to it; is of Mormon invention and manufactured only in Utah. Tradition says it is made of [imported] fire and brimstone. If I remember rightly, no public drinking saloons were allowed in the kingdom by Brigham Young, and no private drinking permitted among the faithful, except they confined themselves to 'valley tan.'"

And of course, a non-Mormon from Park City couldn't resist reviving it a couple of years ago.

BananaNutkins
Aug 26, 2004

I'll split you open and I don't even like coconuts.


Gygaxian posted:

Nope, it was called Valley Tan. Mark Twain tried it, he said this: "But we knew afterward that it was something he had been drinking. It was the exclusive Mormon refresher, 'valley tan.' Valley tan (or, at least, one form of valley tan) is a kind of whisky, or first cousin to it; is of Mormon invention and manufactured only in Utah. Tradition says it is made of [imported] fire and brimstone. If I remember rightly, no public drinking saloons were allowed in the kingdom by Brigham Young, and no private drinking permitted among the faithful, except they confined themselves to 'valley tan.'"

And of course, a non-Mormon from Park City couldn't resist reviving it a couple of years ago.

I rarely drink beer, but when I do, I have my wives bring me a tall smooth glass of polygporter.

omnibobb
Dec 3, 2005
Title text'd

In all of Brandon's talks and stuff, has he ever given any clue as to why the Parshendi betray the Alethi?

New Yorp New Yorp
Jul 18, 2003

Only in Kenya.


Pillbug

omnibobb posted:

In all of Brandon's talks and stuff, has he ever given any clue as to why the Parshendi betray the Alethi?

The latest Words of Radiance chapters give some hints.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012





omnibobb posted:

In all of Brandon's talks and stuff, has he ever given any clue as to why the Parshendi betray the Alethi?

The king was trying to bring back the parshendi gods apparently. Whatever that means.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

Argh, I mistakenly thought Words of Radiance was already out and finally sat down and tore through Way of Kings, not realizing it was also 1000 pages. Now I'm finished and three weeks until I can read thee next! :argh:

Really enjoyed WoK but the Szeth fights brought back uncomfortable memories of the dozens and dozens of pages of roof jumping porn in Mistborn..

veekie
Dec 25, 2007

Dice of Chaos


Tunicate posted:

The king was trying to bring back the parshendi gods apparently. Whatever that means.

Probably has to do with the black energy infused gem. I suppose the spren supporting the Knights Radiant aren't the only spren who chose to meddle.

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013


I'm really enjoying listening to Sanderson's videos about writing from his BYU creative writing class, they're very good.

Walh Hara
May 11, 2012


Sanderson and all the other people who know the story already must be having a great time watching fans trying to find meaning in those glimpses. Some of the theories offered for some of them are truly bizarre, which I guess is kind of the point.

For reference, the 7 glimpses so far are:

1. "Thirty-eight days," Renarin read. "The end of all nations."
2. She felt and heard the storm approach. The ground shook, the air roared. Bits of leaves swept across her in a chill gust, like scouts before an oncoming army that charged behind, the howling wind its battle cry.
3. In places, it flashed with light from behind, revealing movement and shadows within. Like the skeleton of a hand when light illuminated the flesh, there was something inside that wall of destruction.
4. Of fires that burned and yet they were gone. Of heat he could feel when others felt not. Of screams his own that nobody heard. Of torture sublime, for life it meant.
5. Have you given up on the gemstone, now that it is dead? And do you no longer hide behind the name of your old master?
6. "He thinks you're a god. You shouldn't encourage him." "Why not? I am a god."
7. HE COMES FOR YOU, LITTLE TRAITOR. I AM SORRY.


Glimpse 6 is the most confusing one to me, I doubt we've seen whoever it is about yet.

Grouchy Fish
Aug 24, 2006


I like the theory that glimpse 6 is Kaladin talking to Syl about Rock.

coffeetable
Feb 5, 2006

TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY


I got my Kindle only recently and Words of Radiance is the first book I've bought for it. Jesus, I didn't realise how much cheaper the Kindle versions are on release day.

treeboy
Nov 13, 2004

James T. Kirk was a great man, but that was another life.


coffeetable posted:

I got my Kindle only recently and Words of Radiance is the first book I've bought for it. Jesus, I didn't realise how much cheaper the Kindle versions are on release day.

usually after release day discounts they're not a *ton* cheaper, maybe $4-5 depending. Amazon is selling WoR for $17.50 hard cover, and like $12.75 kindle. B&N likewise is about $18.25 online and $12.75 for nook. The biggest portion of book cost in bookselling is not production overhead (which is dirt cheap) but licensing, marketing, and contractual obligations to authors.

404GoonNotFound
Aug 6, 2006

The McRib is back!?!?


Hell, if you want a real discount Brandon linked a store selling a DRM-free version for 12 dollars.

L-O-N
Sep 13, 2004



Pillbug

Aren't all of Sanderson's ebooks drm free?

I've bought them from Barnes and Noble and they didn't have drm.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice

I think the difference is dragonmount provides all the different formats as well, whereas you only get a drm-free version yet still only in one format from these other stores.

uh zip zoom
May 28, 2003

Sensitive Thugs Need Hugs



This might be the spergiest question I've ever asked, but does anyone know if Wayne creating a speed bubble in a moving vehicle like a train ever had dramatically unintended consequences? You know, like the floor caught at the bottom of the speed bubble crashing into the floor that is outside the bubble?

You would think Sanderson would have considered that, as he is gaining a reputation as a fantasy author who thinks of everything. Then again, I still have 25% left of Alloy finish, so it's possible something like that happens then.

Also, I just got the joke: Wax & Wayne, as in wax and wane.

Quantum Toast
Feb 13, 2012



uh zip zoom posted:

This might be the spergiest question I've ever asked, but does anyone know if Wayne creating a speed bubble in a moving vehicle like a train ever had dramatically unintended consequences? You know, like the floor caught at the bottom of the speed bubble crashing into the floor that is outside the bubble?
He's been asked about that, yeah. The gist of it was that if something's only partly in a bubble, it still counts as totally inside or totally outside. Probably the latter in the case of the floor.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012





Objects are either all inside or all outside of a time bubble. For a train, the passengers and stuff would count as part of the train.

uh zip zoom
May 28, 2003

Sensitive Thugs Need Hugs



Tunicate posted:

Objects are either all inside or all outside of a time bubble. For a train, the passengers and stuff would count as part of the train.

Couldn't that then be exploited to make a bubble larger than it is supposed to be?

Edit: goddamn why am I asking these things? :sperg:

treeboy
Nov 13, 2004

James T. Kirk was a great man, but that was another life.


uh zip zoom posted:

Couldn't that then be exploited to make a bubble larger than it is supposed to be?

Edit: goddamn why am I asking these things? :sperg:

it depends on the frame of reference of the subject (relativity!). Someone asked about that and he basically said people on the inside of the train wouldn't notice anything and would be outside the bubble

Tunicate
May 15, 2012





uh zip zoom posted:

Couldn't that then be exploited to make a bubble larger than it is supposed to be?

Edit: goddamn why am I asking these things? :sperg:

Possibly! There's some sort of FTL space-travel baked into the metallic arts, but it's uncelar exactly what's involved there.

coffeetable
Feb 5, 2006

TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY


treeboy posted:

usually after release day discounts they're not a *ton* cheaper, maybe $4-5 depending. Amazon is selling WoR for $17.50 hard cover, and like $12.75 kindle. B&N likewise is about $18.25 online and $12.75 for nook. The biggest portion of book cost in bookselling is not production overhead (which is dirt cheap) but licensing, marketing, and contractual obligations to authors.

404GoonNotFound posted:

Hell, if you want a real discount Brandon linked a store selling a DRM-free version for 12 dollars.

In the UK it's $27 for the hardback version and $12 for the Kindle.

Yarrbossa
Mar 18, 2008


I just finished "The Emperors Soul", and holy poo poo it was awesome. I can see now why it has won awards.

404GoonNotFound
Aug 6, 2006

The McRib is back!?!?


Does anyone know if WoR is going to be part of that Amazon "Buy the book, get the Kindle version free" offer? I know that a couple of Brandon's earlier works (Legion, Mistborn, etc) were part of the pilot program, but I haven't really heard anything either way on this one.

treeboy
Nov 13, 2004

James T. Kirk was a great man, but that was another life.


coffeetable posted:

In the UK it's $27 for the hardback version and $12 for the Kindle.

and that's what they actually sell for? crazy. $27-30 is the typical list price for hardcover in the US but new releases rarely if ever sell for that amount, especially releases by big authors.

Krypsis
Nov 8, 2013


So who is on the front cover of The Way of Kings? That has always bothered me. Is it Dalinar, some of the knights radiant, or what?

Tunicate
May 15, 2012





Krypsis posted:

So who is on the front cover of The Way of Kings? That has always bothered me. Is it Dalinar, some of the knights radiant, or what?

It's vaguely inspired by Dalinar and Eshonai saluting each other across the chasm, but Whelan wasn't paying much attention to the details. More to set the tone for the book than to be a specific thing.

Furious Lobster
Jun 17, 2006



Soiled Meat

Krypsis posted:

So who is on the front cover of The Way of Kings? That has always bothered me. Is it Dalinar, some of the knights radiant, or what?

According to the artist, Michael Whelan, it's Dalinar saluting Kaladin (in the distance).

Krypsis
Nov 8, 2013


interesting that his cloak is red, as opposed to kholin blue then.

Furious Lobster
Jun 17, 2006



Soiled Meat

Krypsis posted:

interesting that his cloak is red, as opposed to kholin blue then.

Yeah, I'm not sure if Whelan stated this directly but it's clearly not textual to the story.

Ethiser
Dec 31, 2011



Is it Kaladin or the Parshendi general he saluted towards the end of the book?

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
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Ethiser posted:

Is it Kaladin or the Parshendi general he saluted towards the end of the book?

I always thought it was Dalinar and the Parshendi at the end, myself.

Subvisual Haze
Nov 22, 2003

The building was on fire and it wasn't my fault.

I want to say Dalinar did salute Kaladin's bridge crew earlier in the novel after he saved them from some Parshendi archers.

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Hantama
Dec 6, 2008


Is there any good summary, preferably by chapter, of the first stormlight book?
I read it and liked it, but I donīt remember a lot of details somehow and want to be ready for part two.

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