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socialsecurity posted:I'm sorry but flashbacks in this are designed to be as depressing as possible so it will focus on whatever happened to his wife. is it her name he can't remember or anything about her?
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wargames posted:is it her name he can't remember or anything about her? I think it's everything about her. You never know, though, his new bond with the Stormfather might change things.
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Jul 18, 2014 16:11
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wargames posted:is it her name he can't remember or anything about her? He doesn't remember anything about her. Other people say stuff about her and he has no recollection of it, though he can hear it - just not her name.
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Jul 18, 2014 16:50
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Karnegal posted:He doesn't remember anything about her. Other people say stuff about her and he has no recollection of it, though he can hear it - just not her name. He's also asked other people... obliquely... for details about his wife, and what she was like. He doesn't want to let anyone know he can't remember her, but he still tries to find things out about her anyway.
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Jul 18, 2014 17:09
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Iunnrais posted:He's also asked other people... obliquely... for details about his wife, and what she was like. He doesn't want to let anyone know he can't remember her, but he still tries to find things out about her anyway. And doesn't he also forget the details he hears pretty quickly? Something interesting regarding the Nightwatcher that someone pointed out: All of the curses she gives appear to be neurological in nature. Memory issues, inverted vision, etc
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Jul 18, 2014 18:31
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Ithaqua posted:And doesn't he also forget the details he hears pretty quickly? Something interesting regarding the Nightwatcher that someone pointed out: All of the curses she gives appear to be neurological in nature. Memory issues, inverted vision, etc Yes but We don't know if the same is true for what she grants, as you can literally ask for anything. I don't know if you can infer any important meaning from the observation.
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Jul 18, 2014 18:41
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Yeah, didn't a guy just get a bunch of stuff to sell to feed his family?
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Jul 18, 2014 19:07
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And Lifts curse is being partly in shadesmar so widen that definition to cognitive and your golden.
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Jul 18, 2014 20:45
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I'm pretty sure Sanderson has cursed in some of his books, though they're rare and pretty mild, just the occasional "drat" and possibly a "poo poo" or "crap" once . I remember thinking, "Wow, I thought he was a Mormon and never cursed."
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Jul 18, 2014 21:01
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DarkHorse posted:I'm pretty sure Sanderson has cursed in some of his books, though they're rare and pretty mild, just the occasional "drat" and possibly a "poo poo" or "crap" once . I remember thinking, "Wow, I thought he was a Mormon and never cursed." I think people put too much stock in Sanderson being mormon with regards to the no swearing thing. It seems he's just emulating Robert Jordan style setting appropriate curses in Stormlight, Robert Jordan used bloody, flaming, burn, blasted. Sanderson uses damnation (herald hell), storming and shard names in vain. He used stuff like drat and hell in mistborn though, here's a comment he made: Sanderson posted:I’ve taken a little bit of criticism from certain readers for the swearing I put into these books. I know that most of you consider things like ‘drat’ and ‘hell’ to be very weak curses, if even swear words at all. However, to some people, they can be offensive. Since I didn’t use them in Elantris, some readers were surprised to find them in this series.
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"Some people may be offended" is the weirdest argument when you're working in a creative medium. Some people might also be offended that you have 0 representation for gay characters because you believe gay people who act on their love for their partners are sinful. Just cop to the fact that you aren't comfortable swearing. It's your book, you get to make the choice of what goes in. I think those comments make it pretty clear that he personally has an issue with swearing. "Most of you consider" implies that he is not putting himself in that group. He recognizes that the average person doesn't even really think of "drat" or "hell" as a big deal, but it's his big compromise to put those in. Again, fine your book your rules. (Though why are you even trying to please everyone in the first place?) TL;DR: They're his books, he can write what he wants. Just say you have a problem with swearing and be done with it.
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Jul 19, 2014 01:08
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Karnegal posted:"Some people may be offended" is the weirdest argument when you're working in a creative medium. Some people might also be offended that you have 0 representation for gay characters because you believe gay people who act on their love for their partners are sinful. Just cop to the fact that you aren't comfortable swearing. It's your book, you get to make the choice of what goes in. If he personally was religiously uncomfortable with swearing then he wouldn't have included (even comparatively minor) real world swears in the Mistborn trilogy. He just seems to want to have his books be as PG as possible and actually contravened that self imposed restriction to add swears for creative reasons. They're his books and he wrote what he wanted to. If he actually had a personal aversion to swearing what does he gain from being enigmatic about it?
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Jul 19, 2014 01:30
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Xachariah posted:If he personally was religiously uncomfortable with swearing then he wouldn't have included (even comparatively minor) real world swears in the Mistborn trilogy. He just seems to want to have his books be as PG as possible and actually contravened that self imposed restriction to add swears for creative reasons. He considers himself a liberal among his community, so I imagine this is him saying he's out there, but when you look at him in a wider social context, he still has rather conservative values. Like in his Dumbledore post how he pretty much positioned himself against the hardline religious stance but he still ends by saying that gay people should never ever act on their feelings.
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Jul 19, 2014 01:58
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Well yeah he's definitely homophobic but I don't really see him as being a religious whack job about swearing. I could be wrong, never met him.
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Jul 19, 2014 04:11
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Xachariah posted:Well yeah he's definitely homophobic but I don't really see him as being a religious whack job about swearing. Well, I mean, I've seen him write before about following what the church says, and it seems like he generally tows the party line here. I spent some time Googling and the LDS literature on swearing says: "Do not use profane, vulgar, or crude language or gestures, and do not tell jokes or stories about immoral actions. These are offensive to God and to others. Remember that these standards for your use of language apply to all forms of communication, including texting on a cell phone or communicating on the Internet." From what I can tell, the really hardline Moromons are also opposed to "Mormon swears" which they classify as words like "flip" and "darn." So from what I can gather, there is an official Mormon position on swearing, and I don't see why he would break with this. I can't think I've ever seen him write any profanity outside of a book without putting it in quotation marks as in the link you gave. On a book note. I finished WoR and I wanted to know why people seem to be upset that Adolin killed Sadeas. Is it just an "honor" thing because at this point the dude has pretty much said he's angling to take his family out and has proven that he's willing to see thousands dead to accomplish that. I am 100% cool with him murdering the dude, though 'm sure the books will frame this as bad because the Knights Radiant wouldn't do such a thing. But as a reader, I'm not sure why people object to it.
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Jul 19, 2014 05:30
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Karnegal posted:On a book note. I finished WoR and I wanted to know why people seem to be upset that Adolin killed Sadeas. Is it just an "honor" thing because at this point the dude has pretty much said he's angling to take his family out and has proven that he's willing to see thousands dead to accomplish that. I am 100% cool with him murdering the dude, though 'm sure the books will frame this as bad because the Knights Radiant wouldn't do such a thing. But as a reader, I'm not sure why people object to it. It's because it came out of nowhere and that a significant part of the book was kind of devoted to that antagonist, even though there wasn't really much else you could do with him.
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Jul 19, 2014 05:38
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computer parts posted:It's because it came out of nowhere and that a significant part of the book was kind of devoted to that antagonist, even though there wasn't really much else you could do with him. I mean, it was the end of the book, which feels like an appropriate place for ending a character's arc. Sadeas was starting to seem fairly redundant with Amaram and the Ghostbloods. Both of which seem to have actual motivations beyond self advancement. I mean,at this point there was very little for Sadeas to do. His political career pretty much hinged on, "Dalanar is a crazy pants," and now that Dalanar is pretty demonstrably right about his visions and the Radiants and such, the other high princes would have to be pretty giant idiots to throw their lots in with Sadeas. If he were alive, his narrative is declining political power and irrelevance. The only thing to do with him then is have him lash out in a destructive way. His murder actually does more for the plot in that it creates a power vacuum in his domain, and sets Adolin against Dalanar in terms of beliefs should he find out (he will). I mean, the event itself comes out of nowhere only in the sense that it was pretty minor next to all the other stuff going on at the same time. Sort of< "oh yeah and this happens too"
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Jul 19, 2014 07:03
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Requesting thread rename to 'Brandon Sanderson: gently caress poo poo Whoremonger Cockgobble Cunthammer Thread' please.
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Jul 19, 2014 07:48
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"Brandon Sanderson: He's written more than just the Stormlight Archives, don't you see?"
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Jul 19, 2014 07:55
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I think the Sadeas angle is a very long way from over. WoR invested a little space in establishing that Sadeas's wife is quite possibly even more of a horrible monster than he is, so it's probable we're going to find out Adolin made a big mistake killing Sadeas. Also, it seems obvious that Adolin is going to be found out sooner or later and Dalinar is going to wring a lot of angst out of having to choose between doing the "right" thing and giving up his son for execution, and doing what is actually the right thing and protecting him and perhaps giving him a medal. It also seems obvious to me that Adolin ain't long for this world, between the conspicuously being the non-Knight Radiant among the main cast and the fact Shallan is going to be Kaladin's.
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I dug that part of the book. Plus Sadeas got stabbed through the eye into the brain, then had the knife twisted around in his brain which means he's 100% dead.
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Jul 19, 2014 16:04
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I hope so, because as mentioned before that part of the story felt pretty much done.
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Jul 19, 2014 16:27
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I feel like Sanderson is the Dragonlance of a new generation.
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Eric the Mauve posted:I think the Sadeas angle is a very long way from over. WoR invested a little space in establishing that Sadeas's wife is quite possibly even more of a horrible monster than he is, so it's probable we're going to find out Adolin made a big mistake killing Sadeas. Also, it seems obvious that Adolin is going to be found out sooner or later and Dalinar is going to wring a lot of angst out of having to choose between doing the "right" thing and giving up his son for execution, and doing what is actually the right thing and protecting him and perhaps giving him a medal. I got the impression that something was up with Adolin. Like in his duel he's getting hammered on by multiple shard blades and his armor holds up for an inordinately long time. I though the implication was that he was putting stormlight into repairing it somehow. I have a hard time believing he isn't also going to be a special snowflake since it seems like everyone in that family has special powers. The king is the same deal with his shadows out of the corner of his eye bit. Also, if Shallan ends up with Kaaladin, I'll probably throw up in my mouth. Though I would be really surprised since stealing your buddy's girlfriend seems like a very non-Sanderson move. I mean, they've kissed, which I think sets them up to be married in a Sanderson world.
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Jul 19, 2014 18:59
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Karnegal posted:
Exactly right. Which is why I expect it'll happen after Adolin is dead.
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Xachariah posted:I think people put too much stock in Sanderson being mormon with regards to the no swearing thing. It seems he's just emulating Robert Jordan style setting appropriate curses in Stormlight, Robert Jordan used bloody, flaming, burn, blasted. Sanderson uses damnation (herald hell), storming and shard names in vain. This is the actual answer, he has no issue with swearing, sex, or violence in literature he reads and if you watch his BYU lectures on creative writing Sanderson actively encourages people to read Martin and other "saltier" authors. If he personally felt so strongly against swearing he wouldn't recommend those works so regularly. He also makes note that the content is more mature because to some BYU students it's a big deal. People who keep pointing to his religion as the explanation every time he makes a creative choice they dislike/disagree with is ridiculous. Back on topic I'm bummed because my signed copy of Alloy, given to me by Ben McSweeny has gotten really badly sun bleached. I need to order one of the signed book collections off his website to replace it. treeboy fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Jul 20, 2014 |
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treeboy posted:This is the actual answer, he has no issue with swearing, sex, or violence in literature he reads and if you watch his BYU lectures on creative writing Sanderson actively encourages people to read Martin and other "saltier" authors. If he personally felt so strongly against swearing he wouldn't recommend those works so regularly. He also makes note that the content is more mature because to some BYU students it's a big deal. This will be my last post on his religion since I think I've pretty much run this into the ground and you either agree that it shapes his choices or you don't. But one last try anyway. I think his writing is very much shaped by his religious views. Just because he consume media from other authors who don't share his views doesn't mean that his views don't strongly shape his own writing. For example, GRRM has gay and bisexual characters in his novels and, as noted, Sanderson reads those books. However, Sanderson doesn't have any gay characters. Gay people don't even exist in his worlds. I'm not talking about writing graphic depictions of sex, I mean that there are no gay characters in any major role (or hell, any role period as far as I can tell). I'm pretty sure the reason is because as he says "I accept and sustain the leaders of the LDS church. I believe that a prophet of God has said that widespread legislation to approve gay marriage will bring pain and suffering to all involved. I trust those whom I have accepted as my spiritual leaders. I feel that what they have said is God’s will." It's pretty clear he believes gay people are sinful not because he personally has come up with a reason for this, but because the church elders say so. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy to pick and chose which parts of his religion he will buy into - I can't think of any examples of him saying things that would indicate he does. Therefore, I have a hard time believing that he doesn't try to keep swearing out of his books because his religious officials say that Mormons shouldn't swear (even if it's not actually him swearing so much as characters in his books). Alright, that's the end of my religion discussion. If you really want a back and forth on it, you can PM me.
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Just finished WoR. Feeling a little bit sad for Adolin. I liked him. At least I hoped we can see more Lift. Lift is full of awesomeness. When is the next book planned to be release? Hope it's not 4 years between each.
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Jul 20, 2014 21:59
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Another Poster posted:Just finished WoR. Feeling a little bit sad for Adolin. I liked him. At least I hoped we can see more Lift. Lift is full of awesomeness. Supposedly Spring of 2016, the delay between books 1 & 2 was reported as being due to him finishing up Wheel of Time. e: He wants to have it out by fall of 2015 but his editor is thinking probably in 2016.
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treeboy posted:This is the actual answer, he has no issue with swearing, sex, or violence in literature he reads and if you watch his BYU lectures on creative writing Sanderson actively encourages people to read Martin and other "saltier" authors. If he personally felt so strongly against swearing he wouldn't recommend those works so regularly. He also makes note that the content is more mature because to some BYU students it's a big deal. Actually he does have a personal (not necessarily religious) issue with sex in novels. In the annotations for Warbreaker he mentions that he found the sexual/nudity scenes between the God-King and Princess difficult to write. He claims that this is because he's by nature something of a prude. And honestly after being subjected to Robert Jordan's spanking fetish, GRRM's glistening fat pink masts, Goodkind's obsession with almost rape and S&M, and Rothfuss' sex fairie and sex ninjas I'm perfectly fine with a fantasy author leaving the sex scenes to our own imagination.
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Another Poster posted:Just finished WoR. Feeling a little bit sad for Adolin. I liked him. At least I hoped we can see more Lift. Lift is full of awesomeness. she is supposed to be a major viewpoint character in the second half of the series
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Jul 20, 2014 22:56
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Karnegal posted:This will be my last post on his religion since I think I've pretty much run this into the ground and you either agree that it shapes his choices or you don't. But one last try anyway. Wrong already.
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Jul 20, 2014 23:09
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api call girl posted:Wrong already. I know there is a gay Asha'man in Memory of Light (At least I think that was the book?) but are there others that I've missed in Sanderson's other works?
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Jul 20, 2014 23:39
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Bearserker posted:I know there is a gay Asha'man in Memory of Light (At least I think that was the book?) but are there others that I've missed in Sanderson's other works? I can't think of any in the cosmere but that guy clearly just wants to be inflammatory.
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http://www.tor.com/blogs/2011/01/your-questions-for-brandon-sanderson-answeredquote:For instance, in The Way of Kings, Drehy, a member of Bridge Four, is gay. He’s based on a good friend of mine who is gay. There is a lesbian character in The Allow of Law; again I don’t make a big deal of it though it’s a little more obvious. The lesbian character in Alloy is Ranette.
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Brandon Sanderson isn't exactly high lit, he writes to entertain. Majority of people are straight and not aroused or excited by gay love stories so why not write stories that majority finds appealing.. I'm sure there are enough gay books that you can read if that's what you want.
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Bearserker posted:I know there is a gay Asha'man in Memory of Light (At least I think that was the book?) but are there others that I've missed in Sanderson's other works? Haven't read that one. So, I can't speak to it. I don't remember Drehy. Does he do anything significant or is he a super minor character who we never really see developed? So, fine, I was wrong on the parenthetical, but I'll go back to the primary assertion, and ask for counterexamples. Are there any major characters in his work who are gay? I mean characters we actually see developed or care about, not minor side characters. Again I have no idea what Memory of Light is, so is the person mentioned there a main charcter?
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Karnegal posted:I don't remember Drehy. Does he do anything significant or is he a super minor character who we never really see developed? The latter.
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Karnegal posted:Haven't read that one. So, I can't speak to it. Kaladin. He just hasn't realized it yet.
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Karnegal posted:I don't remember Drehy. Does he do anything significant or is he a super minor character who we never really see developed? Memory of Light was the last book in the Wheel of Time series that Sanderson finished following the original author's death and the character in question is named Emarin. All of the characters mentioned are relatively unimportant in their respective books and easy to forget which is why I asked.
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