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Tahirovic
Feb 25, 2009


Fun Shoe

He should do a surge-binding prologue style sex scene, I am sure we'd all enjoy that!

I really don't get why you people think these books need more sex scenes and start blaming Sanderson's religion for the lack of them. Maybe he knows his books work without descriptions of fat pink masts and food related rape scenes. If you're really looking for that I can recommend a Game of Bones by The Bad Thread.

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Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006


Who said the books need more sex? What I said was I think Alethi men's nervousness about the safe hand thing might mirror the author's discomfort around the topic of sex.

Edit: never mind, found the post that may have prompted yours.

Grundulum fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Aug 11, 2014

Barreft
Jul 21, 2014



He's admitted publicly he's not comfortable with sex stuff, but I don't think it takes away from his books any.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007



Barreft posted:

He's admitted publicly he's not comfortable with sex stuff

I think that would be true regardless of his religious affiliation.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012





Looks like the Alloy of Law supplement for the Mistborn Adventure Game just came out.

They really need to market it.

Barreft
Jul 21, 2014



TheMadMilkman posted:

I think that would be true regardless of his religious affiliation.

Agreed, that's why I made no mention of religion.

Kruller
Feb 20, 2004

It's time to restore dignity to the Farnsworth name!



The only sex scene in a fantasy book I've read that didn't gross me out in some way was in one of the Wheel of Time books, and the point of view wasn't even from the people doing it. It was played for comedic effect and was very brief. Contrast that with ASoIaF stuff, which is as graphic as the violence, and sometimes drawn out. Those scenes make me uncomfortable not because of the content, but because of the author. I can't help but imagine GRRM sitting there writing those scenes with a hardon, just because he LOOKS like a creep. It's why I stopped reading that series, in fact, and I understand that's my problem, not his.

If sex and sexuality aren't the point of a character or story, there's no need for it to be there. That ties in with openly gay characters, as well. The entire point of the gay rights movement is that gay people are no different than straight people, and books don't have to point out that a character is straight. It isn't important if Jasnah is or isn't gay unless a forced marriage comes up, because sexuality will come into play then. It doesn't matter if Dumbledore is or isn't gay, because it changes nothing about his character. The fact that he is is merely a line on a stat sheet, if you will. Nothing about how I perceived his character changed when I found out he was intended to be gay, because his sexuality was completely irrelevant to the story.

Part of it also could be that since homosexuality is a hot button issue currently, he may not want to write a gay character and risk loving it up, thus having to deal with backlash from it. It can be a real catch-22 situation, but not writing it is the safer bet until he's comfortable with giving it a shot, if ever.

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013



I for one am glad that Sanderson's existence means there is at least one prominent fantasist who is probably not some kinda weird sex freak.

Kruller posted:

The only sex scene in a fantasy book I've read that didn't gross me out in some way was in one of the Wheel of Time books, and the point of view wasn't even from the people doing it. It was played for comedic effect and was very brief. Contrast that with ASoIaF stuff, which is as graphic as the violence, and sometimes drawn out. Those scenes make me uncomfortable not because of the content, but because of the author. I can't help but imagine GRRM sitting there writing those scenes with a hardon, just because he LOOKS like a creep. It's why I stopped reading that series, in fact, and I understand that's my problem, not his.




ban Gurrm from women

PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Aug 13, 2014

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles


Kruller posted:

The only sex scene in a fantasy book I've read that didn't gross me out in some way was in one of the Wheel of Time books, and the point of view wasn't even from the people doing it. It was played for comedic effect and was very brief. Contrast that with ASoIaF stuff, which is as graphic as the violence, and sometimes drawn out. Those scenes make me uncomfortable not because of the content, but because of the author. I can't help but imagine GRRM sitting there writing those scenes with a hardon, just because he LOOKS like a creep. It's why I stopped reading that series, in fact, and I understand that's my problem, not his.

Yeah, I have the same reaction for most sex scenes in fantasy, all I can see in my head is a far naked guy at a computer, drooling as they type while they speak the words aloud in the stereotypical nasal nerd voice. Not all authors' sex scenes gross me out, though, more literary writers seem to be able to do those scenes without becoming creepy, and on the flip side I found that the sex scenes in Maria Snyder's Yelena Zaltana novels to be alright, though since those were pretty much fantasy romance novels, those scenes were obviously a relevant part of the narrative rather than a creepy diversion.

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004



Barreft posted:

He's admitted publicly he's not comfortable with sex stuff, but I don't think it takes away from his books any.

Well poo poo, who is comfortable with sex scenes in their sword and sorcery epic fantasy books? So many of them are cringe-worthy and are basically an attempted favorable rendition of the authors specific fetishes.

We have glistening manhoods and rough manly sex from G.R.R Martin, torture bondage insanity from Terry Goodkind, spanking and polygamy from Robert Jordan and hell I don't even know what Scott Bakker's issue is, surreal sex?

Patrick Rothfuss had some odd fairy sex tutorial thing for the hero which seems to hint at an experienced older lady fetish too.

Tahirovic
Feb 25, 2009


Fun Shoe

Xachariah posted:

Well poo poo, who is comfortable with sex scenes in their sword and sorcery epic fantasy books? So many of them are cringe-worthy and are basically an attempted favorable rendition of the authors specific fetishes.

We have glistening manhoods and rough manly sex from G.R.R Martin, torture bondage insanity from Terry Goodkind, spanking and polygamy from Robert Jordan and hell I don't even know what Scott Bakker's issue is, surreal sex?

Patrick Rothfuss had some odd fairy sex tutorial thing for the hero which seems to hint at an experienced older lady fetish too.

You're forgetting Richard A Knaak's Dragon rape. And Goodkind had a lot worse than bondage a lot worse. I was almost convinced I needed therapy after reading some of his horrible books.

Sanderson focuses on what is important and that is one reason I really like his books, I hope he keeps it that way. On the other hand they could come up with awesome sex positions using surge binding!

Karnegal
Dec 24, 2005

Is it... safe?


Kruller posted:

The only sex scene in a fantasy book I've read that didn't gross me out in some way was in one of the Wheel of Time books, and the point of view wasn't even from the people doing it. It was played for comedic effect and was very brief. Contrast that with ASoIaF stuff, which is as graphic as the violence, and sometimes drawn out. Those scenes make me uncomfortable not because of the content, but because of the author. I can't help but imagine GRRM sitting there writing those scenes with a hardon, just because he LOOKS like a creep. It's why I stopped reading that series, in fact, and I understand that's my problem, not his.

If sex and sexuality aren't the point of a character or story, there's no need for it to be there. That ties in with openly gay characters, as well. The entire point of the gay rights movement is that gay people are no different than straight people, and books don't have to point out that a character is straight. It isn't important if Jasnah is or isn't gay unless a forced marriage comes up, because sexuality will come into play then. It doesn't matter if Dumbledore is or isn't gay, because it changes nothing about his character. The fact that he is is merely a line on a stat sheet, if you will. Nothing about how I perceived his character changed when I found out he was intended to be gay, because his sexuality was completely irrelevant to the story.

Part of it also could be that since homosexuality is a hot button issue currently, he may not want to write a gay character and risk loving it up, thus having to deal with backlash from it. It can be a real catch-22 situation, but not writing it is the safer bet until he's comfortable with giving it a shot, if ever.
Speaking generally (not about BS specifically):

The issue is that characters are presumed to be straight because the genre has so few gay characters. It's the same as pretty much any media you consume. If you're watching a movie, you pretty much assume all the characters are straight unless it's explicitly stated otherwise. If sexuality isn't your focus, you can casually give a nod to a character being gay without writing a 3 page "OMG he's gay" section.

Kruller
Feb 20, 2004

It's time to restore dignity to the Farnsworth name!



Karnegal posted:

Speaking generally (not about BS specifically):

The issue is that characters are presumed to be straight because the genre has so few gay characters. It's the same as pretty much any media you consume. If you're watching a movie, you pretty much assume all the characters are straight unless it's explicitly stated otherwise. If sexuality isn't your focus, you can casually give a nod to a character being gay without writing a 3 page "OMG he's gay" section.

I totally understand. The question is if it actually adds anything or not. Words of Radiance was literally as thick of a book as Tor could print on the machinery they had reserved for it. Would any sort of subtle description of a character being gay have actually added anything to the story? I'll use Jasnah as an example because she's noticeably unwed considering her position and age in an essentially feudal society. Would her being gay add anything at this point? Would it matter in the long run? Coming off the Wheel of Time, economy of storytelling is something I'm becoming more fond of. I'm not suggesting excising anything that isn't directly relevant to the story being told, but there's a level of world building that can be excessive.

Wheel of Time handled it fairly well, with Aes Sedai having "pillow friends" due to the nature of their society. Not all women were actually gay, but needed companionship during their novice period. Most of the Reds were, and I'm sure that stemmed from how women were treated in general and a backlash from it. It added a bit of world building in a universe where that sort of information would make sense, but at the same time Jordan went way overboard with veering off story.

I will admit that as a straight white male, not being represented is not a thing I'm familiar with, and I have a lot of trouble seeing it as a big deal. However, are Sanderson's works the right place to fight that battle? He's not really trying to make a statement with his books, so much as he's trying to be a big nerd flinging magic around and having kickass battles with super ninjas. Sometimes he feels like he's writing for 13-year-old Brandon, and what he'd have wanted to read, and sex and sexuality aren't part of it.

It could also be because if he writes a character that is gay but who is very minor, people will consider it a token character. If he writes a gay character who is a major protagonist, it will be pandering, and if it's an antagonist, it will be demonizing the filthy gays because he's Mormon. He's in a bad spot due to his religion, his statements about the leaders of his religion, and the statements those leaders make about homosexuality. If I were him, I'd avoid it entirely as well.

He at least has the major players in his biggest books as non-whites. Skaa were clearly described as non-white, as were Terrismen. The Alethi are supposed to be darker skinned and have epicanthal folds, so I picture them as possibly Southern Asians, like Cambodians. That alone is vastly better than basically every other fantasy writer.

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013



Reveilled posted:

Yeah, I have the same reaction for most sex scenes in fantasy, all I can see in my head is a far naked guy at a computer, drooling as they type while they speak the words aloud in the stereotypical nasal nerd voice.

to be fair, that mental image gets slightly less horrifying when you're talking about a bangable dude like joe abercrombie

I always thought Jaqueline Carey was ~alright~ at sex scenes (even some moderately kinky stuff), but that kinda backfires in her case, as her books get repped and marketed as Erotica when they're mostly just pretty normal fantasy adventure.

PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Aug 13, 2014

Tunicate
May 15, 2012





Bransan's got an open Q&A going in about fifty minutes

https://www.goodreads.com/author/38550.Brandon_Sanderson/questions


quote:

Im answering questions from 5-6pm GMT (1-2 PM EST) on Wednesday, August 13th, as part of #GollanczFest. Brandon Sanderson 21 hours ago

LASER BEAM DREAM
Nov 3, 2005

Oh, what? So now I suppose you're just going to sit there and pout?

Has anyone read the novella that BS just released in the Writing Excuses anthology? Worth picking up the bikk if I don't really care about the other stories?

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X


Karnegal posted:

It's the same as pretty much any media you consume. If you're watching a movie, you pretty much assume all the characters are straight unless it's explicitly stated otherwise.

Yeah, but... when I meet random people in real life I pretty much assume they're straight until demonstrated otherwise, too, for the simple and obvious reason that most people are. But then again I don't really give a poo poo because it doesn't matter, and it usually doesn't matter in literature either.

Tahirovic
Feb 25, 2009


Fun Shoe

I found the stories with the birds pretty interesting, the description after of how they got there not so much. The short story itself did make me wish there was more, but then I get that with everything Sanderson writes.

along the way
Jan 18, 2009


After just 60 pages, I feel like more has happened in Mistborn than in the first 600+ pages of The Kingkiller Chronicles.

Calidus
Oct 31, 2011

Stand back I'm going to try science!

Tunicate posted:

Bransan's got an open Q&A going in about fifty minutes

https://www.goodreads.com/author/38550.Brandon_Sanderson/questions

There is a lot of really good information in here.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?









College Slice

Calidus posted:

There is a lot of really good information in here.

Human-Parshendi hybrids eh? Time to ship Kaladin/Eshonai.

syphon
Jan 1, 2001


While I love his books, that's one thing that annoys me about Sanderson. He adds so much back story and lore with his Q&A's that even though I've read all of his books, I often have no idea what the gently caress people are talking about when discussing his universe. Sometimes a minor, unnamed character from his books will have a whole history and abilities that are only revealed through snippets of conversation on the internet.

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006


For the most part, though, you don't need to know that backstory to enjoy the work you're reading. If you dig behind the curtain and really get into Cosmere stuff, you'll see all kinds of connections, but they're almost never necessary to read that particular book. Example: the character Hoid pops up a few times over Sanderson's first few books, but it in no way diminishes the works if you don't know/look up that it really is the same person (rather than a common name), with X backstory.

Damo
Nov 8, 2002

The second-generation Pontiac Sunbird, introduced by the automaker for the 1982 model year as the J2000, was built to be an inexpensive and fuel-efficient front-wheel-drive commuter car capable of seating five.



Offensive Clock

I agree. It seems like everyone knows all this poo poo about the Stormlight world that leaves me wondering where the gently caress they got it from. I'm just hoping eventually he'll spell it out in the books so I don't need to do mad research on wiki's and poo poo to learn about that stuff.

And I'm not talking about the basic poo poo like Hoid and the Cosmere and whatnot.

Damo
Nov 8, 2002

The second-generation Pontiac Sunbird, introduced by the automaker for the 1982 model year as the J2000, was built to be an inexpensive and fuel-efficient front-wheel-drive commuter car capable of seating five.



Offensive Clock

I just finished WoR.

Holy loving poo poo the end of that book. I am so goddamn hyped for the next book. Dalinar owns so hard, and now he's bonded the loving Stormfather.As if he couldn't get any more bad rear end.

No more Sanderson left to read =( Read all the Cosmere books. Time to play the waiting game...

Tunicate
May 15, 2012





Damo posted:

I just finished WoR.

Holy loving poo poo the end of that book. I am so goddamn hyped for the next book. Dalinar owns so hard, and now he's bonded the loving Stormfather.As if he couldn't get any more bad rear end.

No more Sanderson left to read =( Read all the Cosmere books. Time to play the waiting game...

Including the unpublished stuff? Lemme actually do a rundown of them, since I've got nothing better to do.

As far as complete works go, Brandon will send you a copy of Aether of Night, White Sand, Mistborn Prime, or Final Empire Prime if you use the contact form on the website and are polite.

Aether of Night has decent magic, extremely uneven tone, and a bunch of half-formed cosmere stuff that ended up working way better in mistborn.

Mistborn Prime has a weird form of allomancy, evil 'mistborn' assassins who follow what's basically the Sith Code, and giant riding salamanders. Plot's kind of thin, the reveal of the tenth metal is silly... it's basically what you'd expect a mistborn anime to be like if the writing staff's only copy of the novels got stuck in a garbage disposal and they had to improvise for the rest.

The magic in Final Empire Prime is pretty kitchen-sink, with stuff like steel inquisitors having demons bound to their eyes, and proto-feruchemy letting you convert sleep into deathbeams. It's a fun read so long as you don't expect it to be good. The first chapter is here.

White Sand's going to be made into a graphic novel, which is good because the plot is much better than the execution. Magic's a bit thin - you've got sand mastering, which is pretty generic, and that's it. The world is a giant desert on a tidally locked planet, which is kind of interesting. The Sanderson Avalanche involves about eight people revealing they were actually working for someone else, and that's pretty funny.

Mythwalker is incomplete, but the whole thing is on the website. It suffers from an overpowered protagonist and the magic having too few drawbacks. Also, bad names - there are Kkolloss with kkell powers.

Liar of Partinel is incomplete as well. It details a young Hoid's life in a world slowly being choked to death by a malevolent zombie fungus. The website has about a dozen chapters, which stop just as it's getting good. Also features a cameo of the Aethers from Aether of Night.

Dragonsteel only exists as a frequently-stolen copy of Brandon's honors thesis in the BYU library. It's not very good, it involves a magic system that focuses on micro-manipulation so you shoot lasers by manipulating photons, and play with individual atoms. The entire shattered plains segment of Stormlight was originally from here.

Damo
Nov 8, 2002

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Offensive Clock

Wow, thanks for the info. While I think it's really cool that he gives out the unpublished stuff, I don't think I'm hardcore enough to read it. Especially considering I didn't even much like some of the published stuff (mainly just Warbreaker, although I'm glad I read it for the connections to WoR). I think your little summaries are more than enough.

Also, I don't think this has been mentioned in the thread -- it seems Brandon has changed the order of what he's working on. He's committed to write Shadows of Self (Alloy #2) before Stormlight 3 now, so it looks like Stormlight 3 is likely a Mid 2016 release at best. Which sucks, but at least we'll have Alloy of Law #2 to tide us over....for the day that it takes to finish it =(

Think I'll start the First Law trilogy to keep me busy for a while.

jax
Jun 17, 2001

I love my brick.

Damo posted:

I just finished WoR.

Holy loving poo poo

Same here! Same reaction.

Couple of quick questions:

Why does Szeth count ten heartbeats to summon his blade? I thought he had an honour blade.. Or is it only instant with an erm spren blade?

Did I miss an explanation as to why Shinovar holds so many honour blades? Or any theories?

Meinberg
Oct 9, 2011


jax posted:

Did I miss an explanation as to why Shinovar holds so many honour blades? Or any theories?

I seem to recall that Shinovar received those honor blades intentionally, that they were left there for safekeeping. My guess is that this was because the Shin are less likely to use those blades in an active fashion.

Rumda
Nov 3, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade

jax posted:

Same here! Same reaction.

Couple of quick questions:

Why does Szeth count ten heartbeats to summon his blade? I thought he had an honour blade.. Or is it only instant with an erm spren blade?

Did I miss an explanation as to why Shinovar holds so many honour blades? Or any theories?

There is a theory that the order of Stonewards kept their oaths and his with the honour blades.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012





jax posted:

Same here! Same reaction.

Couple of quick questions:

Why does Szeth count ten heartbeats to summon his blade? I thought he had an honour blade.. Or is it only instant with an erm spren blade?


Because he thinks he needs to. Just like how Shallan suppressing her memories means she has to count to ten as well.

jax
Jun 17, 2001

I love my brick.

That's what I thought, the Oath keeping idea makes sense too.
I hope the next book reveals more about Shinovar. It seems more earth like so it should be interesting to see why it seems to be favoured and so alien to the rest of Roshar.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012





jax posted:

That's what I thought, the Oath keeping idea makes sense too.
I hope the next book reveals more about Shinovar. It seems more earth like so it should be interesting to see why it seems to be favoured and so alien to the rest of Roshar.

I'm certain it will, since we'll be seeing Szeth's backstory in it.

EDIT: unless he's a wannabe Shin.

Genuine Fake
Oct 2, 2004


Damo posted:

He's committed to write Shadows of Self (Alloy #2) before Stormlight 3 now

I had thought this was the case already. However, didn't he write the entirety of Alloy of Law on a flight or something? The man is a monster, I seriously doubt Shadows of Self will significantly delay Stormlight 3.

Rumda
Nov 3, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade

Holy_Zarquon posted:

I had thought this was the case already. However, didn't he write the entirety of Alloy of Law on a flight or something? The man is a monster, I seriously doubt Shadows of Self will significantly delay Stormlight 3.

I think it was the short story that then expanded to the book we got.

Shadows of self is basically finished now anyway. He has already started writing Stones Unhallowed.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012





Rumda posted:

I think it was the short story that then expanded to the book we got.

Shadows of self is basically finished now anyway. He has already started writing Stones Unhallowed.

I think everything through the ballroom scene was on the plane.

Speaking of which, the Allomancer Jak short in the alloy rpg book was also written on the plane.

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

PSA: Noted Sandersonlike Brent Weeks released The Broken Eye yesterday (book 3 of Lightbringer). Haven't finished it yet but the first two were good.

platero
Sep 11, 2001

spooky, but polite, a-hole



Pillbug

Cicero posted:

PSA: Noted Sandersonlike Brent Weeks released The Broken Eye yesterday (book 3 of Lightbringer). Haven't finished it yet but the first two were good.

I'm in the same spot. I got the email notification that it was delivered to my kindle, I've been burning through it. Really good stuff.

wargames
Mar 16, 2008

official yospos cat censor


Cicero posted:

PSA: Noted Sandersonlike Brent Weeks released The Broken Eye yesterday (book 3 of Lightbringer). Haven't finished it yet but the first two were good.

When does the audiobook come out because the graphic audio version is pretty great.

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SavTargaryen
Sep 11, 2011


Cicero posted:

PSA: Noted Sandersonlike Brent Weeks released The Broken Eye yesterday (book 3 of Lightbringer). Haven't finished it yet but the first two were good.

It's pretty good. Audiobook is also out, and the first third of the graphicaudio thing is out. This is definitely the darkest hour book, and I'm pretty sure if anything happens to the baby Blackguards I'm going to be very sad.

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