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Yeah, he tried a "Staggered Avalanche" in Hero of Ages, had a minor relapse in Way of Kings, but it looks like he finally figured out how to do a properly paced "normal" climax on his own terms.
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404GoonNotFound posted:Yeah, he tried a "Staggered Avalanche" in Hero of Ages, had a minor relapse in Way of Kings, but it looks like he finally figured out how to do a properly paced "normal" climax on his own terms. What was the avalanche in Kings? The only thing I can think of is at the very end you learn who the Parshendi really are/were and I guess Szeth's master. anything else I thought was rather blatantly shown earlier
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Capntastic posted:I don't really care about exciting fights for the sake of there being fights, but as I said, in IB:A he builds up this big sort of challenge by way of an enemy palace full of tough as heck monsters and then skips even the barest description of the fights, and it's kind of a let down. It kind of cheats the reader out of the pay off, I feel. Does he do that sort of stuff often? Well, to be fair (mild Infinity Blade 2 spoilers): You play that part as the tutorial of IB2
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Yeah, I haven't read IB:A, but I would bet that a videogame tie-in novel that he wrote is not going to be indicative of his typical story structure.
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So what video game tie in novel do we want him writing next? My vote is Max Payne 3. I want to see Brandon write something outside his fantasy comfort zone. He could tell the story after the second game that leads into the third.
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thecallahan posted:What was the avalanche in Kings? The only thing I can think of is at the very end you learn who the Parshendi really are/were and I guess Szeth's master. anything else I thought was rather blatantly shown earlier The Avalance isn't any single revelation but a combination of the build-up and twists that take place at a single clearly defined climax point. In Kings that would be where the 3 primary characters make their last big decisions and everything heads to climax: Dalinar decides to trust whats-his-face, Kaladin is learning how to Surgebind, etc.
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Skapegoat posted:Well, to be fair (mild Infinity Blade 2 spoilers): You play that part as the tutorial of IB2 Yeah, but that doesn't make it cool to excuse it from the book just because a person who plays the second game will eventually see it. I'll probably pick up one of the Mistborn books when I get a chance, because I really do wanna give this guy a proper shot.
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thecallahan posted:What was the avalanche in Kings? The only thing I can think of is at the very end you learn who the Parshendi really are/were and I guess Szeth's master. anything else I thought was rather blatantly shown earlier I didn't see coming: Jasnah soul-casts without a soul-caster (and that soul-casting is a natural ability not from a device) and that the priest dude was an assassin.
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Lascivious Sloth posted:I didn't see coming: Jasnah soul-casts without a soul-caster (and that soul-casting is a natural ability not from a device) and that the priest dude was an assassin. Also surprising for me: That Shallan owns a shardblade. And killed her father.
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Decius posted:Also surprising for me: That Shallan owns a shardblade. And killed her father. I caught that one ahead of time.
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ConfusedUs posted:I caught that one ahead of time. Yeah, its surprising how he sneaked this revalation into the book so early on, yet most aren't paying attention to it, myself included. Its like a magician's sleight of hand.
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Decius posted:Also surprising for me: That Shallan owns a shardblade. And killed her father. It does make it a bit odd that she's concerned enough about her family's financial future to attempt to rob from royalty but never considers hawking the priceless sword. It'd be risky sure, but compared to robbing the princess it seems like a decent option to at least consider
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keiran_helcyan posted:It does make it a bit odd that she's concerned enough about her family's financial future to attempt to rob from royalty but never considers hawking the priceless sword. It'd be risky sure, but compared to robbing the princess it seems like a decent option to at least consider
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Way of Kings spoilage: Plus, a person without a lot of resources and protection saying they have a shardblade for sale is probably a death sentence. The powers that be would be in a race to assassinate her and steal it first, rather than trying to outbid each other. But when she tries to steal from someone, she has the Shardblade as an ace up her sleeve if things go south, though it's still dangerous. Plus if she is successful she is rich AND has a Shardblade.
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Metropolis posted:Way of Kings spoilage:
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Decius posted:Also surprising for me: That Shallan owns a shardblade. And killed her father. Crap.. I didn't even pick that up and I've finished it! I remember that she killed her father, but when is it revealed she owns a shard blade?! When was it revealed early on? I don't remember any of this.. and that she wants to get rid of it?
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Lascivious Sloth posted:Crap.. I didn't even pick that up and I've finished it! I remember that she killed her father, but when is it revealed she owns a shard blade?!
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Lascivious Sloth posted:Crap.. I didn't even pick that up and I've finished it! I remember that she killed her father, but when is it revealed she owns a shard blade?! Been a bit since I've read this, but I do not believe its said outright. She doesn't say anything by name iirc. The key to remember is How its summoned. I believe maybe twice? she talks about the 10 heartbeat thing. Really need to go about Rereading this again after I finish my current book.
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MisterFuzzles posted:Been a bit since I've read this, but I do not believe its said outright. She doesn't say anything by name iirc. The key to remember is How its summoned. I believe maybe twice? she talks about the 10 heartbeat thing. I checked,it was before Shallan was even accepted as Jasnah's ward. She had a flashback when she went to the Palanauem. "Memories attacked her. Nan Balat bruised, his coat torn. A long silvery sword in her hand, sharp enough to cut stones as if they were water." Also when panicked by the symbolheads, "She began the process anyway. Ten heartbeats, to bring forth the fruit of her sin, the proceeds of her most horrific act." I guess most of us just dismissed it? The first one was already a giveaway, theres only one kind of sword that cuts stone like water. EDIT: Wasn't Shallan's Soulcaster broken in the same event that killed her father? I think we might have the reason why it can't be repaired here. EDIT2: Oh there it is Shallan fished in the safepouch inside her sleeve, bringing out her father's broken Soulcaster. It had been sheared in two places, across one of the chains and through the setting that held one of the stones. ... The link in the chain had been replaced perfectly and the setting reforged equally well. Even knowing exactly where the cuts had been, she couldn't find any flaw. Unfortunately, repairing only the outward defects hadn't made it functional. veekie fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Dec 10, 2011 |
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I actually picked up on the whole shardblade thing right away, but I guess didn't pay it any attention because I never saw an area of the plot where it would have been that useful. I'm sure we'll be seeing it in the next book or two though. Or tenth, knowing Sanderson.
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Her role would probably be to deliver the shardblade to the people over at the warcamps who happen to be short one.
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veekie posted:Her role would probably be to deliver the shardblade to the people over at the warcamps who happen to be short one. That's a bit too obvious. I'm betting that, since she's attached to the foremost researcher in the world, she'll discover how they're somehow far more than they seem.
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ConfusedUs posted:That's a bit too obvious. I'm betting that, since she's attached to the foremost researcher in the world, she'll discover how they're somehow far more than they seem. Yeah, there's gotta be something more to Syl not liking them.
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ConfusedUs posted:That's a bit too obvious. I'm betting that, since she's attached to the foremost researcher in the world, she'll discover how they're somehow far more than they seem. Or there will be a conflict between Jasnah and Shallan because Jasnah wants to unlock the secrets of the Monado. Sorry, wrong seriesthe shardblades and give them en masse to her country's soldiers, and Shallan thinks it will lead to an evil empire dominating the world. Kinda like the Einstein A-bomb situation.
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BananaNutkins posted:Or there will be a conflict between Jasnah and Shallan because Jasnah wants to unlock the secrets of the Monado. Sorry, wrong seriesthe shardblades and give them en masse to her country's soldiers, and Shallan thinks it will lead to an evil empire dominating the world. Kinda like the Einstein A-bomb situation. Well, there's already a country who came up with a way to replicate shardplate and shields, albeit imperfectly.
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ConfusedUs posted:That's a bit too obvious. I'm betting that, since she's attached to the foremost researcher in the world, she'll discover how they're somehow far more than they seem. Szeth thinking that he's going to hell, whatever it is that happens to the heralds, and what Dalinar was told by the female knight in his vision all point to that. I'm guessing the shardblades are tied to that somehow.
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The Shadesmar is the plane of existence that ties all the worlds together. Supposedly the Worldsingers (Hoid) use it to cross back and forth through the different books. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that "hell" is located there.
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Cartoon Man posted:The Shadesmar is the plane of existence that ties all the worlds together. Supposedly the Worldsingers (Hoid) use it to cross back and forth through the different books. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that "hell" is located there. According to nerds that are FAR nerdier than us, there's probably a difference between Shadesmar and any sort of "afterlife". http://coppermind.17thshard.com/wiki/Cognitive_Realm
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404GoonNotFound posted:Yeah, there's gotta be something more to Syl not liking them. This part really confused me, because in the flashbacks shardblades were the Knights Radiant's defining weapon. They were bigger back then though. Maybe Syl didn't like that a non-Radiant was holding one? Or maybe they've been corrupted over the years?
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keiran_helcyan posted:This part really confused me, because in the flashbacks shardblades were the Knights Radiant's defining weapon. They were bigger back then though. Maybe Syl didn't like that a non-Radiant was holding one? Or maybe they've been corrupted over the years? I'm guessing that the metaphysical makeup of a particular world is determined by the god(s) on that world, I mean, it didn't look like Sazed chucked Elend and Vin into some sort of hell. If that's the case and I can see a compromise between Cultivation (fanatically anti-violence) and Odium (presumably a dude that hates everyone), resulting in some sort of not-so-great afterlife for certain types of people.
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keiran_helcyan posted:This part really confused me, because in the flashbacks shardblades were the Knights Radiant's defining weapon. They were bigger back then though. Maybe Syl didn't like that a non-Radiant was holding one? Or maybe they've been corrupted over the years? Given that Syl is Honorspren and the way most of those blades have been used in anything BUT honorable acts, they probably stink to high heaven for her.
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arioch posted:There IS a difference between the Dawnshards and the Shardblades as well, apparently.
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I think I'm going to have to read WoK again after seeing all this discussion. I don't remember anything except the over-arching plot. I'll look forward to the spren researcher chapter, though, I liked that guy. 
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I found that it was a much more enjoyable read on the second go around than the first. Especially when you realize who is writing the letter during the chapter bumps of the second act. Hoid
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Thankfully, that wasn't Sanderson himself: http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/n95w1/this_book_is_pretty_good/
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Cartoon Man posted:The Shadesmar is the plane of existence that ties all the worlds together. Supposedly the Worldsingers (Hoid) use it to cross back and forth through the different books. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that "hell" is located there.
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