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404GoonNotFound
Aug 6, 2006

The McRib is back!?!?


To be fair, Sanderson could have some sort of twisted Mormon Solidarity with Meyers, which is why he doesn't really want people to badmouth the series.

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Subvisual Haze
Nov 22, 2003

The building was on fire and it wasn't my fault.

Based on Brandon's write-up of a fight between Vin and Zeddicus Zu'l Zorander, I get the feeling even he is willing to pass judgement that Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth is garbage.

quote:

His eyes opened wide. "COMMUNISTS!" he yelled. Then, incredibly, he climbed up on a stump and began to address those watching. "Hear me, socialists! Your foul ways have no grounding in rational thought, and only seek to divest men of their rights! You will listen, now, as I explain, at length, why capitalism is the only method by which truth can be found and expressed."

And with that, he launched into a long-winded speech about something he called "objectivism." Vin didn't listen to much of it; she just crept her way forward, behind his back, and he blathered on and on. Was this really the best time for a lecture? She shook her head.

Right as he was getting into a definition of something he called "positive rights," she Burned atium and leaped forward, driving a glass dagger into the back of his neck. He tried to dodge, but the atium let her see the direction he'd go, and her mind adjusted immediately.

"Urk," the old man said. "And thus we see that this young lady's rational egoism is victorious in the end, and that is proof of everything I've been saying. And, unfortunately, I appear to have just proven Wizard's First Rule. . . ." He slipped and fell to the ground, eyes wide, glassy, dead.

"'Wizard's First Rule'?" Vin asked. "I mean, really. Is it too hard to say 'The First Rule of Wizardry'or 'Wizardry's First Rule'? The way you say it sounds stupid. That's always bothered me." With that, she slipped off into the darkness.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

Pound Trooper!

Ahahahahaha oh man that's great.

Just a little meaner, Sanderson .... yesssssss.... :smugbert:

SageSepth
May 10, 2004
Luck is probability given way to superstition

wellwhoopdedooo posted:

Ahahahahaha oh man that's great.

Just a little meaner, Sanderson .... yesssssss.... :smugbert:

I haven't read whatever series that other character is from, but Vin stabbing people is always pretty cool.

Kruller
Feb 20, 2004

It's time to restore dignity to the Farnsworth name!



SageSepth posted:

I haven't read whatever series that other character is from, but Vin stabbing people is always pretty cool.

The Sword of Truth starts out okay, except for that character being introduced early in the first book, disappearing for like 300 pages, and then being fully and completely reintroduced in the same loving book for no reason. Then it turns into lesbian leather bondage fantasy stuff, then rape fantasy, and gets worse.

Superstring
Jul 22, 2007

I thought I was going insane for a second.



Kruller posted:

The Sword of Truth starts out okay, except for that character being introduced early in the first book, disappearing for like 300 pages, and then being fully and completely reintroduced in the same loving book for no reason. Then it turns into lesbian leather bondage fantasy stuff, then rape fantasy, and gets worse.

Don't forget the Ayn Rand style moral objectivism!

Ferrosol
Nov 8, 2010

Notorious J.A.M


Superstring posted:

Don't forget the Ayn Rand style moral objectivism!

or the legendary evil chicken of doom!

Kruller
Feb 20, 2004

It's time to restore dignity to the Farnsworth name!



My favorite part is how everyone has a cool fantasy name except the main character, whose name is Richard.

That's still better than Malazan's names, though.

fordan
Mar 9, 2009

Clue: Zero


Ferrosol posted:

or the legendary evil chicken of doom!

quote:

The bird let out a slow chicken cackle. It sounded like a chicken, but in her heart she knew it wasn't. In that instant, she completely understood the concept of a chicken that was not a chicken. This looked like a chicken, like most of the Mud People's chickens. But this was no chicken. This was evil manifest.

I dug the quote up for the Goodkind discussion in the Audiobook thead, seems appropriate here too.

I tend to keep reading series I start even if they go downhill. Hell, I'm still reading Laurel K Hamilton's Anita Blake series. But I had to give up on Sword of Truth after whichever book had the statues so beautiful they converted an entire nation to Objectivism.

syphon
Jan 1, 2001


I suppose we're getting a bit off topic here, but I agree. The first Sword of Truth book (Wizard's First Rule) was pretty good. I mean, there's a reason a lot of us started the series, right? I can't identify exactly where the series went downhill, but it's fair to say I enjoyed it at first.

syphon fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Apr 13, 2012

Clinton1011
Jul 11, 2007


syphon posted:

I can't identify exactly where the series went downhill, but it's fair to say I enjoyed it at first.

For me it was after he got tortured by a pain dildo and a little girl asked to join in, he then decided the best way to save her from torturing him was to kick her in the face hard enough to shatter her jaw.

Streebs
Dec 6, 2003

RIP

Clinton1011 posted:

For me it was after he got tortured by a pain dildo and a little girl asked to join in, he then decided the best way to save her from torturing him was to kick her in the face hard enough to shatter her jaw.

God I love talking about the Sword of Truth books. Terry Goodkind is the best.

Funny enough, although his books are absolute poo poo, the tv show they made based upon them was really entertaining.

New Yorp New Yorp
Jul 18, 2003

Only in Kenya.


Pillbug

Clinton1011 posted:

For me it was after he got tortured by a pain dildo and a little girl asked to join in, he then decided the best way to save her from torturing him was to kick her in the face hard enough to shatter her jaw.

I only read the first Sword of Truth book, but that's exactly the part I remember most clearly. The rest is a blur of generic fantasy, but I clearly remember excessive torture and jaw kicking.

syphon
Jan 1, 2001


The part that stuck out most for me was him being forced to live in some overly-exaggerated communist country. He was somehow able to free them from their evil socialist bonds by... building a statue? Something like that?

Streebs
Dec 6, 2003

RIP

syphon posted:

The part that stuck out most for me was him being forced to live in some overly-exaggerated communist country. He was somehow able to free them from their evil socialist bonds by... building a statue? Something like that?

Yeah that is the book that fordan was describing a few posts up - Faith of the Fallen. Also happens to be the point where I stopped reading as well.

Subvisual Haze
Nov 22, 2003

The building was on fire and it wasn't my fault.

You've also got to love how the extremely capable female protagonist either gets naked in a public setting or almost-raped like every single book. Also the first book contains a like 40 page sequence where Richard gets bondage tortured by a leather clad dominatrix, but is able to escape...by falling in love with his torturer.

Goodkind is a bad man who writes books that are a source of actual evil.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006





fordan posted:

I dug the quote up for the Goodkind discussion in the Audiobook thead, seems appropriate here too.

I tend to keep reading series I start even if they go downhill. Hell, I'm still reading Laurel K Hamilton's Anita Blake series. But I had to give up on Sword of Truth after whichever book had the statues so beautiful they converted an entire nation to Objectivism.

Speaking of books I had to give up on. I should do a "I'll Read ABVH books so you don't have to" thread like the old John Ringo thread.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!



Streebs posted:

Yeah that is the book that fordan was describing a few posts up - Faith of the Fallen. Also happens to be the point where I stopped reading as well.

Believe it or not, they actually get worse.

The series ends* with Richard instigating a giant soccer riot and then he sends non-magic people to earth and like 3 books of stuff happen that he glosses over and has nothing to do with the last book.


* Well, apparently after failing hard at writing other fiction he's gone back to the sword of truth well but is calling them something different. I haven't read those.

Mortanis
Dec 28, 2005

It's your father's lightsaber. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight.

College Slice

I've read every Sword of Truth novel. I enjoy them, though I don't believe in the bootstrapping objectivist message - I can appreciate something I don't agree with.

That said, I had a friend who loved the series. In one of the later books, Richard declares he's sending his army to the land of the main bad guy with the intent on loving it up as much as possible - killing women and children, salting the earth, all sorts of fun stuff. To show them that if you wage war against Richard and crew, there are ultimate consequences. Said friend used to use this as a discussion point on how to deal with Muslims in a post 9-11 world. "Richard is right. We just need to go over there and start killing everything and everyone until they give up. You have to hit them hard like that so they see we mean business. They only understand violence."

:patriot: :psyduck:

Koryk
Jun 5, 2007


Streebs posted:

God I love talking about the Sword of Truth books. Terry Goodkind is the best.

Funny enough, although his books are absolute poo poo, the tv show they made based upon them was really entertaining.

Darken Rahl was awesome, and Craig Horner got ripped.

Season two was the best when they went all out with the gratuitous eye candy. Who was the actress who played Kara? I need to see if she's in anything new.

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004

Nyah hah hah hah hah!



I almost missed this one when skimming through Brandon's Australia tweets.

:siren:

quote:

@BrandSanderson so if i might ask, when do you start stormlight 2?

@MmogamerFr As soon as I finish revisions on AMOL. July, maybe?

Makes you wonder what side projects he's working on in between now and then.

pakman
Jun 26, 2011



I liked reading the Sword of truth series. I disagree with the Ayn Rand stuff, but I actually found them extremely fun to read. Book four, Temple of the Winds, was my favorite. The book that I really hated the most, was book 7, where literally none of the main characters even appeared until the very end in the last 10 pages. My friend introduced me to the series in 2002 in my freshman year at college, I read it in 3 days.

veekie
Dec 25, 2007

Dice of Chaos


Ran across this interview thing

quote:

Remember that the tables--and the ars Arcanum--are 'in world' creations. (Or, at least, in-universe.) The knowledge represented in them is as people understand it, and can always have flaws. That was the case with having atium on the table in the first place, and that was the case with people (specifically the Inquisitors) trying to figure out what atium did Hemalurgically.



Their experiments (very expensive ones) are what determined that atium (which they thought was just one of the sixteen metals) granted the Allomantic Temporal powers. What they didn't realize is that atium (used correctly) could steal ANY of the powers. Think of it as a wild card. With the right knowledge, you could use it to mimic any other spike. It works far better than other spikes as well.

Huh, I wonder what Larasium spikes would do.
EDIT: For the matter, what would the god metal alloys do in hemalurgy/ferruchemy

veekie fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Apr 15, 2012

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

Pound Trooper!

Personally, this made my imagination run wild in reference to the upcoming modern-era Mistborn. I don't know if he'll use something like that, but there is a metric assload of cool that could come out of it.

404GoonNotFound
Aug 6, 2006

The McRib is back!?!?


veekie posted:

Ran across this interview thing


Huh, I wonder what Larasium spikes would do.

Considering that Hemalurgy was created from whole cloth by Ruin after he was imprisoned, probably nothing at all. Just to spite Preservation that much more.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001


404GoonNotFound posted:

Considering that Hemalurgy was created from whole cloth by Ruin after he was imprisoned, probably nothing at all. Just to spite Preservation that much more.

I don't think it would be spite. It's a pretty important plot point in-setting that (major Hero of Ages spoilers) Vin can't draw on the mists while even faintly Hemalurgically empowered. The notion of the essence of Preservation being useful in an explicitly Ruin-derived empowerment goes against this as well. You see the same thing with the whole 'Preservation can't destroy' stuff, which leads to his overarching plan for the books.

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010



I get more and more excited every time I read more about Sanderson's whole Cosmere thing. This quote:

quote:

Adonalsium was something or someone else. You will find out more. There are clues in Warbreaker and The Way of Kings."
made me want to get my books out and start clue hunting.

Also, this whole answer (MISTBORN SPOILERS)

quote:

Well, here's the thing. What Sazed is right now is something of a god in the classic Greek sense--a superpowered human being, elevated to a new stage of existence. Not GOD of all time and space. In a like manner, there are things that Sazed does not have power over. For instance, he couldn't bring Vin and Elend back.

Where Tindwyl exists is beyond space and time, in a place Sazed hasn't learned to touch yet. He might yet. If you want to add in your heads him working through that, feel free. But as it stands at the end of the book, he isn't yet with Tindwyl. (He is, however, with Kelsier--who refused to "Go toward the light" so to speak, and has been hanging around making trouble ever since he died. You can find hints of him in MB3 at the right moments.
is just..goddamn it Sanderson.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?




Hair Elf

Democratic Pirate posted:

I get more and more excited every time I read more about Sanderson's whole Cosmere thing. This quote:
made me want to get my books out and start clue hunting.

Also, this whole answer (MISTBORN SPOILERS)
is just..goddamn it Sanderson.

So we can get the ghost of Kelsier, with direct contact to a friendly god, guiding future mistborns :hawaaaafap:

veekie
Dec 25, 2007

Dice of Chaos


quote:

has been hanging around making trouble
Well, thats Kelsier alright.

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004

Nyah hah hah hah hah!



veekie posted:

Well, thats Kelsier alright.

Somewhere on the ethereal plane is a dingy room with a chalkboard and a list of names he can gently caress with and descriptions of what he needs to do said fuckery.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

Pound Trooper!

Democratic Pirate posted:

I get more and more excited every time I read more about Sanderson's whole Cosmere thing. This quote:
made me want to get my books out and start clue hunting.

Also, this whole answer (MISTBORN SPOILERS)
is just..goddamn it Sanderson.

I just got the hugest nerdy grin from the idea of getting to read about more Kelsier. For somebody who's supposed to be kind of a dick, I always found him to be one of the most likeable characters in all of his books.

Maytag
Nov 4, 2006

it's enough that it all be filled with that majestic sadness that is the pleasure of tragedy.

Hey stop with the spoiler tags the books have been out awhile. Thanks.

Mage_Boy
Dec 18, 2003

This hotdog is about as real as your story Steve Simmons



Don't know if anyone saw this yet, but Brandon did a Google+ Hangout tonight. This is the recorded video. Interesting to hear some of how he draws his ideas. (it's actually running in the background while I type this.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsrA90wsTv8

BananaNutkins
Aug 26, 2004

I'll split you open and I don't even like coconuts.


I hope Kelsier stays dead, or at least does nothing more than influence things from behind the scenes as a spirit-y thing. Brandon really does not need to verge into the resurrection rut that kills a lot of fantasy.

The problem is that resurrected characters are very hard to give decent character arcs, especiallly characters who have already progressed through a decent arc. The one exception I can think of is Buffy season 4, I think, when she's forcibly pulled from heaven.

Kruller
Feb 20, 2004

It's time to restore dignity to the Farnsworth name!



BananaNutkins posted:

I hope Kelsier stays dead, or at least does nothing more than influence things from behind the scenes as a spirit-y thing. Brandon really does not need to verge into the resurrection rut that kills a lot of fantasy.

The problem is that resurrected characters are very hard to give decent character arcs, especiallly characters who have already progressed through a decent arc. The one exception I can think of is Buffy season 4, I think, when she's forcibly pulled from heaven.

Season 6, and I was thinking that before I got to that part of your post. The whole "Hey you dicks, I was chilling in Heaven and it's lovely down here" angle was pretty awesome.

veekie
Dec 25, 2007

Dice of Chaos


BananaNutkins posted:

I hope Kelsier stays dead, or at least does nothing more than influence things from behind the scenes as a spirit-y thing. Brandon really does not need to verge into the resurrection rut that kills a lot of fantasy.

The problem is that resurrected characters are very hard to give decent character arcs, especiallly characters who have already progressed through a decent arc. The one exception I can think of is Buffy season 4, I think, when she's forcibly pulled from heaven.

Well, hes intervened before, but he doesn't really have power to do much more than drop in a few words at the right time and place I think?

Monolith.
Jan 28, 2011

To save the world from the expanding Zone.


Maytag posted:

Hey stop with the spoiler tags the books have been out awhile. Thanks.

There's always someone who hasn't finished the trilogy. I'm on the last book for instance.

soru
Apr 27, 2003

The Red God has his due, sweet girl, and only death may pay for life.


Monolith. posted:

There's always someone who hasn't finished the trilogy. I'm on the last book for instance.


Come back to the thread when you're done!

Maytag
Nov 4, 2006

it's enough that it all be filled with that majestic sadness that is the pleasure of tragedy.

We can never openly discuss these books because new people are born all the time.

I think only using spoilers for the first month or two after a book is released is pretty reasonable.

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Contra Calculus
Nov 6, 2009



Gravy Boat 2k

So I liked the Mistborn Trilogy and Alloy of Law. Still haven't read his WoT books because I've only read the first three (and I dread reading the ones after that based on what people have told me). So the Stormlight Archives series is pretty good though? I wasn't a huge fan of Rothfuss' writing is the only thing and the OP claims that it's comparable to that.

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