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Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed

College Slice

zachol posted:

So can this damage the hard disk itself?
Should I open my computer up right now and switch it to an unaffected 6 Gps port, or can I just wait a while, until either there's a recall or I start seeing weird stuff?
I think it's likely to cause the SMART UDMA CRC Error count on the drive (which logs how many packets have been corrupted between the drive and SATA controller) to grow, but I don't think anything actually monitors that as far as reading drive health is concerned.

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brainwrinkle
Oct 18, 2009

What's going on in here?


Buglord

I recently got an email from Newegg stating that Sandy Bridge motherboard returns would be extended by 90 days or until replacements are available. Luckily it seems the RMA process will be handled by Newegg, so it shouldn't be too painful. I'd much rather deal with Newegg's customer service than ASRock's.

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll

Nap Ghost

Given how CRCs work and that it's perfectly possible to have a couple bit errors despite CRCs matching in a sufficiently large stream of data over a period of time, you could start getting data corruption silently. This is a dealbreaker for my potential setups at this time and I've put them off while this gets resolved.

R1CH
Apr 7, 2002

The Ron Jeremy of the coding world

You should probably put them off until you can get ECC RAM as well then if you're that paranoid.

Paino
Apr 21, 2007

by T. Finninho


I don't know if I'm the only one in this silly situation, but my retailer now WON'T SELL ME the P67 that goes with the 2500k that arrived today (it was oos before). I haven't paid it yet, the idea was to pay the whole configuration and bring it home today, but apparently he's telling me he's received instructions NOT TO SELL any of those mobos and that (hush hush) they won't be supported in the future as the new ones to be manufactured in March-April.

Besides, he's telling me there are several reports of people having issues with the SATA 3gb ports from the start. Now we're in this bullshit impasse where I want to buy it anyway and he'd rather not sell it.

My pc is a pretty high end configuration (gtx570, 8gb ram, Corsair Force 120gb), does it make sense to buy an i5 760 now? Upgrading my current pc (duo e6400, x1950pro that stays at 68C even when loving perfectly clean at idle, 2 gb ram) is obviously not an option.

What the gently caress am I supposed to do?

EDIT: this was in the system building thread but it's probably more appropriate here

modeski
Apr 21, 2005

Deceive, inveigle, obfuscate.


I'm still in the process of speccing out a system. Should I wait until March/April before putting the order in to avoid getting a bad mobo?

4 Day Weekend
Jan 16, 2009


Paino posted:

What the gently caress am I supposed to do?

See if you can get a board from another retailer.

modeski posted:

I'm still in the process of speccing out a system. Should I wait until March/April before putting the order in to avoid getting a bad mobo?

Definitely.

4 Day Weekend fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Feb 2, 2011

GarethIW
Feb 25, 2003

The internet destroyed me, but I forgave it

My I5 2400 barebones box just arrived today It's the first desktop PC I've put together since 2003. I only have the one hard drive to put in, plus a DVD drive so I'm not too worried about the recall. I guess I'll get the board replaced as and when some kind of recall happens.

Edit: All set up and running. My earlier question about whether the onboard graphics will work with the PCIe card has been answered. It works perfectly. I even stretched a movie across the IGP connected display and the main (GTX 460) display. Didn't skip a beat. That's some magic right there. 3 screens is awesome.

GarethIW fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Feb 2, 2011

dud root
Mar 30, 2008


I thought the IGP on H67 was disabled with a discrete video card? Guess not

PUBLIC TOILET
Jun 13, 2009



I just assembled a system for someone with the Intel DP67BG board literally two days before reports came out about the problem. loving wonderful. Got the system up and running, Windows installed, etc. and the next day I get the Newegg e-mail.

LastCaress
May 8, 2004

bonobo


Damnit, random hard drives just stop showing up in windows. This can't be a power problem, I mean it's 10 hard drives, but a Corsair TX-650 should still handle it :\

Suniikaa
Jul 4, 2004

Johnny Walker Wisdom

LastCaress posted:

Damnit, random hard drives just stop showing up in windows. This can't be a power problem, I mean it's 10 hard drives, but a Corsair TX-650 should still handle it :\

Did you read the last page at all?

Mister Bung
Jun 7, 2004

What about the children foo'?


SO glad I didn't put my order in last week.

Verizian
Dec 18, 2004
The spiky one.

I suppose the important question now is will prices rise or fall in March at the relaunch?

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed

College Slice

Verizian posted:

I suppose the important question now is will prices rise or fall in March at the relaunch?
Motherboard prices will be 5-10% higher, CPU prices will likely be the same (or slightly lower), RAM will either be cheaper or will have begun its price recovery.

Tapedump
Aug 31, 2007


College Slice

How much info is there on Sandy Bridge laptops being affected? Same thing, yeah?

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed

College Slice

Tapedump posted:

How much info is there on Sandy Bridge laptops being affected? Same thing, yeah?
Yes, but if the laptop only supports two SATA devices, and connects them to the SATA600 ports, then it WOULDN'T be affected (since the SATA300 controller is unconnected).

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
BLITHERING IDIOT

Paino posted:

I don't know if I'm the only one in this silly situation, but my retailer now WON'T SELL ME the P67 that goes with the 2500k that arrived today (it was oos before). I haven't paid it yet, the idea was to pay the whole configuration and bring it home today, but apparently he's telling me he's received instructions NOT TO SELL any of those mobos and that (hush hush) they won't be supported in the future as the new ones to be manufactured in March-April

Of course they WON'T SELL YOU a P67 board. They've been recalled. What did you expect?

Paino
Apr 21, 2007

by T. Finninho


Space Gopher posted:

Of course they WON'T SELL YOU a P67 board. They've been recalled. What did you expect?

I expect them selling it to me anyway because my pc is dying, my new setup is ready, I can't wait 3 months and the mobo is perfectly fine except for sata ports THAT I WOULDN'T EVEN USE. Once the new mobos come out I'll receive one while returning the old, which is exactly what will happen to people who bought a P67/H67 piece of poo poo 24 hours earlier than the recall news.

Also, I probably won't buy the same components 3 months from now or if I do I may find them elsewhere at a lower price. My retailer's going to lose money by not selling me the mobo.

My pc is 4+ years old, I don't see what's so weird in not wanting to wait 3 months for an update. I certainly don't care about the recall, it's the retailer's problem: if I'm not getting my setup he's putting me in an unpleasant situation there's no way out of. Buying an old i5 760 is bullshit with my specs. A Bulldozer means a long wait an not necessarily a better cpu.

I already bought a Dell U2311H for my new pc: maybe I could've grabbed it at a lower price 3 months from now, so I've wasted money. I bought COD:Black Ops, a game whose biggest selling point is multiplayer, and I will get no more than 5 months of play before the new one comes out, making the old worthless. Oh by the way: word is that new Asus/Gigabyte mobos are expected in Europe by May at the earliest.

And I believe there are other people in a worse situation than mine, so a "lol, sorry, no pc for you now!" from your (trusted) retailer is simply not good enough.

Paino fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Feb 3, 2011

brainwrinkle
Oct 18, 2009

What's going on in here?


Buglord

The problem is that their supplier has said, "Don't sell any more and send what you have back to us." The fewer RMAs they have to handle the better. The retailer cares more about its relationship with its supplier than you.

Honestly a cheap $99 Athlon II quad core and cheap $60-70 AM3 motherboard will work fine for games. Since you ran into some awful luck with SB, return your processor, get an Athlon II setup, and upgrade when SB or Bulldozer is available. It sucks but you don't have many other options.

Paino
Apr 21, 2007

by T. Finninho


brainwrinkle posted:

The problem is that their supplier has said, "Don't sell any more and send what you have back to us." The fewer RMAs they have to handle the better. The retailer cares more about its relationship with its supplier than you.

I suppose, but if it shows this much he's going to lose a few customers.

brainwrinkle posted:

Honestly a cheap $99 Athlon II quad core and cheap $60-70 AM3 motherboard will work fine for games. Since you ran into some awful luck with SB, return your processor, get an Athlon II setup, and upgrade when SB or Bulldozer is available. It sucks but you don't have many other options.

It's not a bad idea but it would still be a waste of money, and consider that I'm putting that CPU in a pc with a gtx570, 8gb ram, and an SSD Corsair Force. Heh. What I could do is buy the mobo from ebay regardless. I suppose if I bought it and it's flawed I'm entitled to a replacement/refund in April anyway.

Or am I missing something here?

Factory Factory
Mar 19, 2010

This is what
Arcane Velocity was like.


An Athlon II system will be perfectly fine for gaming unless you decide to play GTA IV with all the AI settings turned to maximum or something equally over-the-top. If you buy a motherboard from eBay, you risk breaking the retail chain that allows you to get a recall replacement.

You just dumped $350 on your graphics card alone, bought into launch technology, MUST have a new computer NOW, and you balk at spending $160 in a motherboard and processor which you can replace in four months and resell for $120? Don't be an idiot.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
BLITHERING IDIOT

Paino posted:

I suppose, but if it shows this much he's going to lose a few customers.


It's not a bad idea but it would still be a waste of money, and consider that I'm putting that CPU in a pc with a gtx570, 8gb ram, and an SSD Corsair Force. Heh. What I could do is buy the mobo from ebay regardless. I suppose if I bought it and it's flawed I'm entitled to a replacement/refund in April anyway.

Or am I missing something here?

If you don't get what you want and pitch a fit about it, the retailer loses one customer. If Asus/Gigabyte/MSI/whoever doesn't get all the motherboards back, and finds out that the retailer's been selling products after they've been recalled, the retailer doesn't get to sell their boards any more and goes out of business. Guess who the retailer's going to listen to?

Manufacturers often want purchase information to run an RMA, and "I bought it from some guy on eBay" isn't going to cut it. Based on how they're handling things in the US, the recall might go through retailers. And, of course, there's the typical "is someone trying to unload bad hardware?" factor in an eBay purchase, as well. I wouldn't do it.

Given your terrible and completely pitiable situation, I'd recommend that you stop slobbering over specs (oh wow! a GTX 570! you sure are special, heh), quit spewing your tantrum all over the thread, and buy an i5-750 if you just have to have your system right now. Yes, the Sandy Bridge chips are faster, but the difference is marginal and likely will be all but unnoticeable in a gaming system.

Cheesus
Oct 17, 2002

Let us retract the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wirebrush of enlightenment.

Yam Slacker

Alereon posted:

Yes, but if the laptop only supports two SATA devices, and connects them to the SATA600 ports, then it WOULDN'T be affected (since the SATA300 controller is unconnected).
But keep your eyes open.

The laptop I'm looking at has three internal bays an an ESATA port. The two hard drive bays use SATA600 whereas the remaining internal (optical) and external uses SATA300.

Mister Bung posted:

SO glad I didn't put my order in last week.
Me too!

Cheesus fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Feb 3, 2011

Paino
Apr 21, 2007

by T. Finninho


Factory Factory posted:

An Athlon II system will be perfectly fine for gaming unless you decide to play GTA IV with all the AI settings turned to maximum or something equally over-the-top.

Which is exactly what I want to do with 8gb of fast ram and a gtx570. I certainly don't feel special because of it, I just wanted to spend moderately more to have a high-end rig and play games accordingly.

Factory Factory posted:

You just dumped $350 on your graphics card alone, bought into launch technology, MUST have a new computer NOW, and you balk at spending $160 in a motherboard and processor which you can replace in four months and resell for $120? Don't be an idiot.

It's still very annoying, not to mention the more I spend the more the retailer is supposed to help me find an alternative. Say, maybe a used i5 750/760 is sitting in his shop and I can use it until the new mobos come out. Doesn't seem that crazy to me.

Space Gopher posted:

If you don't get what you want and pitch a fit about it, the retailer loses one customer. If Asus/Gigabyte/MSI/whoever doesn't get all the motherboards back, and finds out that the retailer's been selling products after they've been recalled, the retailer doesn't get to sell their boards any more and goes out of business. Guess who the retailer's going to listen to?

I see your point but with these volumes there are a number of ways to sell them anyway and go "ooops!". Some retailers here do it, some don't. I doubt they're gonna go out of business because they sold a handful more mobos to the most annoying customers (and you can be sure I'm among them). Worst case scenario, the manufacturer refuses the return, you give me the new mobo anyway and use the old one wherever: if I were a retailer I'd rather lose spare change than having some customers not buy a whole setup and tell you to go gently caress yourself.

Sorry about the tantrum, I guess I'm a bit frustrated by the situation and my old pc is slowly dying on me.

movax
Aug 30, 2008



Part of me wishes I had bought another P8P67 or two (for other machines I had planned). Could have sold them to some people who really want SNB now and can't wait, heh. They'd probably fetch a pretty good price on some overclocking enthusiast forums or similar (somewhere with a good FS/FT community).

But for now fellow SNB owners, be extremely about your hardware for the next month or so. "What's that, you don't have a 2600K running at 4.8GHz? "

Henrik Zetterberg
Dec 7, 2007




movax posted:

Part of me wishes I had bought another P8P67 or two (for other machines I had planned). Could have sold them to some people who really want SNB now and can't wait, heh. They'd probably fetch a pretty good price on some overclocking enthusiast forums or similar (somewhere with a good FS/FT community).

But but but but... I want to run Black Ops now

I feel like I'm in the stone age. I'm still running a YFD with a mid-range nVidia card, but have a NHM, LFD, and WSM6C all acting as paper weights on my book shelf. I'm still able to run almost any game I throw at it, so I don't get the whole I need it now even though it's been recalled thing.

Henrik Zetterberg fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Feb 3, 2011

Miasma
Jul 26, 2005

straight up dawg.


I just ordered a pre-built PC a day before the news went out. As far as I know they will still be sending it to me (2500k, ASUS Sabertooth). I read that if you already have an outstanding order they will make the computer and either send you a new board or you can send the computer back. I understand that the problems will not immediately impact performance (in fact it may take years). I guess my question is that if I am just a typical user (web browsing, games, word processing, etc.) will I even need to switch the board out? I don't plan on running more than one optical drive / hard drive. Will anything even be plugged into the affected ports?

movax
Aug 30, 2008



Miasma posted:

I guess my question is that if I am just a typical user (web browsing, games, word processing, etc.) will I even need to switch the board out? I don't plan on running more than one optical drive / hard drive. Will anything even be plugged into the affected ports?

If you're never going to use use the SATA300 ports, then you can keep the board, yeah. I don't recall the Sabertooth off hand but you should have at least 4 SATA available after discarding the SATA300 ports from the chipset.

That said, I would replace it when the time comes, just to improve resale/utility value in the future, but that's just me. Maybe you'll want to use the board to run a fileserver and you'll need the spare SATA ports, who knows?

Tapedump
Aug 31, 2007


College Slice

Alereon posted:

Yes, but if the laptop only supports two SATA devices, and connects them to the SATA600 ports, then it WOULDN'T be affected (since the SATA300 controller is unconnected).
Gotta look into that. I have a friend who bought a spendy Toshiba SB laptop on Jan. 20...

Factory Factory
Mar 19, 2010

This is what
Arcane Velocity was like.


Good lord, here I was bashing my head against my desk troubleshooting my SNB system's inability to resume from sleep since I updated to the 1203 BIOS and swapped my PSU. I had a lot of data corruption (luckily nothing important) as I continually had to shut down the computer while it only barely worked while resuming.

What's the problem? It seems the entire P8P67 line has a bug with PLL overvolting. So if you overclock, PLL overvolting makes any given overclock more likely to be stable, but you get positively scrambled when resuming.

Well, I knew I could be getting into fun stuff like this and the recall when I decided to be an early adopter.

E: Better link, more info: http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx...SLanguage=en-us

Factory Factory fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Feb 4, 2011

movax
Aug 30, 2008



Hmm, I have a slight PLL overvolt (got me stable at 4.8), and I don't have any problems with resuming. It's only happened twice (UPS kicked in in power outage and put PC to sleep), but I don't usually shut down PC anyways.

runningdonut
Feb 22, 2008


I had the PLL overvolt problem with sleep mode, had to disable it. Really annoying, but I only go 4.4ghz on my 2500k and it's been unaffected by disabling PLL.

Ryokurin
Jul 14, 2001

Wanna Die?

Paino posted:

It's still very annoying, not to mention the more I spend the more the retailer is supposed to help me find an alternative. Say, maybe a used i5 750/760 is sitting in his shop and I can use it until the new mobos come out. Doesn't seem that crazy to me.


I see your point but with these volumes there are a number of ways to sell them anyway and go "ooops!". Some retailers here do it, some don't. I doubt they're gonna go out of business because they sold a handful more mobos to the most annoying customers (and you can be sure I'm among them). Worst case scenario, the manufacturer refuses the return, you give me the new mobo anyway and use the old one wherever: if I were a retailer I'd rather lose spare change than having some customers not buy a whole setup and tell you to go gently caress yourself.

Sorry about the tantrum, I guess I'm a bit frustrated by the situation and my old pc is slowly dying on me.

I used to work at a computer shop where something similar happened to a specific mainboard that a guy ordered. I wanted to cancel the order entirely, but the boss didn't want to give up the sale, so he had me put in a cheaper board and advised the guy to come back two months later when the replacements will be in...

The guy came back alright complaining about how the performance wasn't what he expected and nitpicking every little thing he could think of basically trying to get a refund or at least a discount along with the original board he wanted. Believe me, stores may want to do the right thing but there's too many people who try to take advantage of kindness.

All I can tell you is this is why next time you should buy everything at the same time. Staggered, even if it's just a week or two risks situations like this. What would you have done if it truly was sold out everywhere?

Mister Bung
Jun 7, 2004

What about the children foo'?


Do you think there's a bunch of AMD head honchos sitting around a table somewhere, chuckling?


Even with this recall crap Bulldozer's going to have to do something pretty amazing to edge out the 2600K...

brap
Aug 23, 2004



Grimey Drawer

Honestly, this is kind of a lesson to buy all your parts at the same time. Even though you can wait a few weeks on different stuff and hop on the various sales that come up, it's a riskier way to go. Sandy Bridge guys, return your hardware and if you need need need a new system now then get the i5-750 and resell if you want when the new boards come out. Intel processors retain a lot of value because they don't put discounts on their old platforms. You'll get most of your money back reselling the old cpu and board. For gaming you will probably not even see a difference between the new and old platforms.

JustAnother Fat Guy
Dec 22, 2009

Go to hell, and take your cheap suit with you!

Well i am rather happy that i chose not to order the cpu and mobo for another few weeks.

movax
Aug 30, 2008



fleshweasel posted:

Sandy Bridge guys, return your hardware and if you need need need a new system now then get the i5-750 and resell if you want when the new boards come out.

The only reason I could see for returning now is if you absolutely need those SATA ports provided by the chipset. Otherwise, it's perfectly reasonable to just wait for the RMA campaign to begin.

brap
Aug 23, 2004



Grimey Drawer

I was referring to the guys pitching a fit about not being able to buy a recalled motherboard. If you got the poo poo and it works than whatever floats your boat. It would be prudent to exchange it for whatever the manufacturer offers as a replacement when they become available though.

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movax
Aug 30, 2008



fleshweasel posted:

I was referring to the guys pitching a fit about not being able to buy a recalled motherboard. If you got the poo poo and it works than whatever floats your boat. It would be prudent to exchange it for whatever the manufacturer offers as a replacement when they become available though.

Ohh, that makes more sense now. (Having an 2500/2600 but nothing to put it in, that would suck).

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