Toalpaz posted:Only the 1700 comes with a fan right? Because stock fans almost surely can't hit 3.9-4.0 Ghz with Ryzen. All three R7 CPUs have an included HSF, the 1700 has the most basic one, then the X1700 has a beefier one and the X1800 has a big one with full heat pipes and so on.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:All three R7 CPUs have an included HSF, the 1700 has the most basic one, then the X1700 has a beefier one and the X1800 has a big one with full heat pipes and so on. At microcenter only the 1700s had a fan.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:All three R7 CPUs have an included HSF, the 1700 has the most basic one, then the X1700 has a beefier one and the X1800 has a big one with full heat pipes and so on. As far as I've seen the 1700 are coming with the middle Wraith Spire fan, and 1700x/1800x don't come with the Wraith Max at this point in time.
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Unhappy Meal posted:As far as I've seen the 1700 are coming with the middle Wraith Spire fan, and 1700x/1800x don't come with the Wraith Max at this point in time. Huh, you're right, are AMD selling the Stealth and Max separately or something? 
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I don't know who Zolkorn is or if they're trustworthy at all, but apparently they disabled an entire CCX in an 1800X and ran it against a 7700K @4Ghz (for both) Skylake/Kabylake are still going to be better, if you're on Haswell then Devil's Canyon is still better, but if you're moving from anywhere else and are on a budget, based these results only, it'd be hard to recommend Intel. An R5 1400 will come in at 179$ for 4C/8T, and based on B350 motherboard pricing, for the cost of CPU+Mobo you would still come in under by 40-50$ compared to just the cost of the Intel CPU, and get at least 80% the performance assuming the 6600K or 7700K are pushed to 5Ghz. For a comparable price, your Intel option is basically an i3-7350K. EmpyreanFlux fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Mar 7, 2017 03:13
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Anyone care to explain to me, why a purely CPU and memory bound benchmark like Cinebench has similar multithread results with a tiny edge for the Intel on single thread, yet two of the games have a noticeable/considerable framerate advantage?
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Mar 7, 2017 03:19
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That's why people are so interested in the scheduling, because Cinebench is doing the same thing on all cores, so it'll not care as much about cache incoherence across clusters.
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Mar 7, 2017 03:25
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46% better min fps than the 7700K at core/clock parity and the non-profit called AMD only charges $320 for twice the cores? Looks perfectly legit.
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Mar 7, 2017 03:29
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Gamer's Nexus is back, and they still have an endless dump to take on the 1800X. (this time because the 1700 is just as good once you overclock it) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcbdN7vdCuQ I don't think people should be putting up official, final reviews of Ryzen just yet. Wait until the memory issues are sorted out, and AMD at least issues an official response about fixing the scheduler. Though, I guess they kinda have to put up reviews, because AMD only gave them chips on the condition that they would review them.
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Mar 7, 2017 03:53
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People should put up reviews when AMD says they can and they did.
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Toalpaz posted:Only the 1700 comes with a fan right? Because stock fans almost surely can't hit 3.9-4.0 Ghz with Ryzen. *shrug?* Unless you specifically bought a tray processor, you're probably getting a cooler with your chip.  I mean, the "Wraith Max" cooler there is what AMD was previously boxing with 135W FX processors, so to have a 135W-rated heatsink working on a 65W or 90W part should fare just fine? edit: Unhappy Meal posted:As far as I've seen the 1700 are coming with the middle Wraith Spire fan, and 1700x/1800x don't come with the Wraith Max at this point in time. VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV Wait, seriously? <  >
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Huh, you're right, are AMD selling the Stealth and Max separately or something? No, I read that those coolers are going straight to OEMs. 
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Mar 7, 2017 04:09
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SwissArmyDruid posted:*shrug?* Unless you specifically bought a tray processor, you're probably getting a cooler with your chip. Mine didn't come with a cooler.
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On the one hand: Good on AMD for FINALLY learning to cut the cost of a cooler on a part that the people who buy it are most likely going to have their own third-party cooler to begin with. Just the cost of shipping around a pound of metal and plastic *alone* must have saved them a pretty penny. On the other hand: Why the hell even waste the marketing time and money on letting people know it exists?
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its me, i'm the problem child who likes included stock coolers
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SwissArmyDruid posted:On the one hand: Good on AMD for FINALLY learning to cut the cost of a cooler on a part that the people who buy it are most likely going to have their own third-party cooler to begin with. Just the cost of shipping around a pound of metal and plastic *alone* must have saved them a pretty penny. As far as I know the Wraith Max is a perfectly good cooler, really the only types that would be a significant step up are the giant double tower coolers like the NH-D15 or a 240mm AIO, so if there was a Wraith Max packed in it would probably be a real value add for most people.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:As far as I know the Wraith Max is a perfectly good cooler, really the only types that would be a significant step up are the giant double tower coolers like the NH-D15 or a 240mm AIO, so if there was a Wraith Max packed in it would probably be a real value add for most people. The original wraith weighed in at ~450g, and had performance like a Cooler Master Hyper Evo 212 in a low profile form factor. The new Wraith is ~540g and a better fan, so yeah only $60+ high end air cooling or water cooling is a real step up.
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I guess Ryzen does support ECC RAM after all, so I'm back to being interested in it for homelab/NAS/dev station type stuff. Once a board that supports ECC comes out, that is. Ideally mITX. As long as it supports ECC I could really give a poo poo about the RAM speeds. As for the power stuff... that only builds my interest further. I'd much rather have 8 cores at 3 GHz and 35W or whatever than 8 cores at 3.7 GHz and 95W for my purposes. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:As long as it supports ECC I could really give a poo poo about the RAM speeds. Pretty much, my 6 core shitbox from 2 generations ago is getting a bit old, and needs a refresh.
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Maxwell Adams posted:Gamer's Nexus is back, and they still have an endless dump to take on the 1800X. (this time because the 1700 is just as good once you overclock it) I mean... they're not wrong though. I've been hearing the same thing, the 1700 overclocks just as far as the 1800X so you're paying $170 extra just for shits and giggles. Not that I particularly want AMD to lock it down or anything but why pay more just for a guaranteed overclock, especially when the "4.0 GHz" figure is a meaningless 1-core figure and your chip is actually doing 3.7 GHz all core? As far as I'm concerned if it's on the market it's more than fair game. In fact I wish reviewers had been able to release reviews a week before they did. Taking money for pre-orders for a mystery box of beans is still bullshit and this kind of teething problem is exactly why. This one isn't on the reviewers, it's on AMD for trying to rush it out to pad their Q1 sales figures. In fact they probably should have stalled a little longer and released it with Vega. Now, should reviewers go back and revisit their numbers in a couple months once the beta bugs have been worked out? Yeah, and they do. The good ones at least. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Measly Twerp posted:Our favourite Scot talks about the Ryzen launch: Watched the video and the most interesting thing I seen was zen in consoles. That is an amazing idea because the perf per watt and how little watts zen takes to get some great perf is amazing considering what cpus are currently in consoles I would like to see zen+ in consoles even is I never buy a consoles because pc games will benefit from the lowest power segment getting some great hardware.
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JayzTwoCents says the R7 succeeds in productivity work more than it falls behind in gaming compared to a 7700K and is a good well rounded choice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-mMBbWHrwM
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On the one hand, lol at fanboys hyping things to the moon and giving death threats to people who don't fellate Ryzen and AMD to the hilt, but why were they expecting AMD and Glofo (of all places) to exceed Intel, who have been developing this underlying architecture for like 7-9 years now, and have been figuring out how to tweak their process to maximize the performance of their specific architecture for a few years now. Much longer if they are for something that isn't that process dependent or something. How long did it take Intel to make core processors where could achieve speeds over 4 GHz?
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Measly Twerp posted:JayzTwoCents says the R7 succeeds in productivity work more than it falls behind in gaming compared to a 7700K and is a good well rounded choice: Watermelon Daiquiri posted:On the one hand, lol at fanboys hyping things to the moon and giving death threats to people who don't fellate Ryzen and AMD to the hilt I appreciate JayzTwoCents immediately pointing out that behavior before I'm even 30 seconds into the video.
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Not sure if this was posted before but low TDP performance looks really, really good. according to a 3dcenter poster and assuming linear scaling this would translate into: 60W ~3.0GHz in CB15 50W ~2.8GHz 40W ~2.45GHz 30W ~1.9GHz that's on all 8 cores. I wouldn't mind a 35W 2.2 Ghz 8-core mobile CPU with a decent single-core turbo frequency. 
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also replace ram with hbm and make it an apu
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Six months ago when RX480 was released, AMD touted that 1080p gaming is where it is at, and buying that, you buy into the future. Now, with Zen, they say 1440p and 4k is where it is that and it is buying into the feature. And people just eat that poo poo up and don't take a total of a second to consider that contradiction? AMD basically tell people, oh well, go play your video games with a zen and rx480 combo and enjoy that terrible fps. It is the future! I do not know man, but if I was to buy a gaming rig, the bulk of my money would go into the GPU, not the CPU. Same thing applies on the intel/nvidia side. Getting a i7 & gtx1060 is a really poor match considering for the same price you get far better results with an i5 & gtx1070 combo.
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i buy decent cpus (300-400 range) every n years because screwing them and the mobo out is a pain. replacing the gpu is just a plug&play thing in comparison, even with a custom loop. i do the same with gpus these days because i'm lazy, but it's definitely better to buy cheaper gpus more often, whereas the cpu doesn't really matter that much.
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eames posted:Not sure if this was posted before but low TDP performance looks really, really good. Huh, I must have misunderstood TheStilt, maybe 2.8Ghz was the single core boost when TDP limited? Holy poo poo though, someone cram this into a workstation laptop with a Quadro or FirePro.
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FaustianQ posted:Huh, I must have misunderstood TheStilt, maybe 2.8Ghz was the single core boost when TDP limited? Holy poo poo though, someone cram this into a workstation laptop with a Quadro or FirePro. Seems like that chart was made using XFR, manual undervolting might yield better results. Sadly Raven Ridge tops out at 4 cores so I doubt we'll see laptop octas until Zen+.
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I love cats posted:Six months ago when RX480 was released, AMD touted that 1080p gaming is where it is at, and buying that, you buy into the future. I remember them saying they were focusing on mainstream/1080p because that's where the volume is. quote:Now, with Zen, they say 1440p and 4k is where it is that and it is buying into the feature. And people just eat that poo poo up and don't take a total of a second to consider that contradiction? AMD basically tell people, oh well, go play your video games with a zen and rx480 combo and enjoy that terrible fps. It is the future! There's no contradiction because the 480 and R7 are aimed at different market segments. I'm sure AMD would love if you bought an R7 and paired it with a 480 but basically no one is doing that, they aren't "just eating that poo poo up," they're getting 1070s and 1080s like anyone sane would if they're spending that much on a CPU and plan to use it for gaming.
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Ars published their brief Naples preview: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/amd-naples-server-processor-more-cores-bandwidth-memory-than-intel/
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Rastor posted:Ars published their brief Naples preview: Servethehome have theirs here. https://www.servethehome.com/amd-naples-competition-re-ignites-zen-hits-server-market/
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JockstrapManthrust posted:Servethehome have theirs here. https://www.servethehome.com/amd-naples-competition-re-ignites-zen-hits-server-market/ So basically you get twice as many channels per CCX as the consumer chips? Sounds good to me, that means you're getting quad channel on an 8-core chip just like Intel. More, even, in the multi-socket systems. Assuming the OEMs can get it stable, I guess. Although, this does mean that AMD was holding out on the enthusiasts like crazy, $500 for a mega gimped chip with half its poo poo turned off is pretty lol after the whole "AMD has more of everything!" run-up to the Ryzen launch, and the poo poo-tier beta drivers
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Theris posted:I remember them saying they were focusing on mainstream/1080p because that's where the volume is. This is correct if you were to ignore Zen's marketing which focuses a lot on gaming or the stupidity that goes on in gamers nexus comment section or /r amd. What I am saying is the community surrounding this product is disgusting.
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I love cats posted:This is correct if you were to ignore Zen's marketing which focuses a lot on gaming or the stupidity that goes on in gamers nexus comment section or /r amd. listen bud who are you to tell me that a couple crossfire RX 480s is an inferior gaming experience to just ponying up for a GTX 1070? not my real dad that's for sure
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Paul MaudDib posted:So basically you get twice as many channels per CCX as the consumer chips? Sounds good to me, that means you're getting quad channel on an 8-core chip just like Intel. More, even, in the multi-socket systems. Nah, it's just Octochannel for a single Naples CPU, which is just four Zen CPU's stapled together. Hexadecchannel is for the dual Naples platfrom. Paul pls.
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Paul MaudDib posted:So basically you get twice as many channels per CCX as the consumer chips? Sounds good to me, that means you're getting quad channel on an 8-core chip just like Intel. More, even, in the multi-socket systems. AKAIF, the Naples 32 core chips are made from four Zen 8 core modules on a single package. This is how they get to 8 channel memory by being 4x dual channel, and servers filled with these beasts would give the data scientists/architects at CERN a raging boner due to the throughput. So, no, the 8 core Ryzens are not gimped, the Napels chips are essentially quad ryzen.
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JockstrapManthrust posted:AKAIF, the Naples 32 core chips are made from four Zen 8 core modules on a single package. This is how they get to 8 channel memory by being 4x dual channel, and servers filled with these beasts would give the data scientists/architects at CERN a raging boner due to the throughput. Oh, welp, gimped or no I was kinda hoping for quad-channel Ryzen, it would be unstable as hell given the R7 performance but it'd probably cook for throughput loads.  It's still probably going to cook for throughput loads though. Especially given that Ryzen seems to clock down nicely.
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