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Bob Morales posted:I wasn't paying much attention but I thought the A10's were just FX8xxx's with an APU, which apparently they aren't
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HalloKitty posted:This reminds me of these benchmarks: https://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/62166-amd-fx-9590-review-piledriver-5ghz-13.html Jesus, an i5-2400 loving flattens a brand new hi end AMD CPU. I'm almost embarrassed for AMD by proxy. quote:RESULTS: As the GPU moves into the driver's seat, we can see the FX-9590 nearly catching some of the higher end Intel processors as its performance becomes less important. However, without any mods installed, Skyrim seems oddly CPU-bound on AMD's processors. This is interesting (bolded part). Do Intel's CPUs do a better job of delegating tasks for subsystems (such as the GPU)?
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Mar 22, 2014 01:41
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They're just... faster. "Delegating tasks to subsystems" is just a fancy way to say "process and dispatch work to main memory" as far as a CPU knows. Intel's advantages are all about CPU cores that do more work per clock cycle and efficient, well, everything. It's also a software issue, though. Direct3D, as we schmucks are finding out right now, has a lot of CPU overhead to drawing scenes, and it relies very heavily on a single CPU core to handle this load. Newer APIs that are starting to come out, like AMD Mantle and the upcoming DirectX 12, reduce this CPU load and distribute it better over multiple cores. The result is that you get better gaming performance on weaker CPUs, which closes the gaming gap between Intel and AMD significantly. Factory Factory fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Mar 22, 2014 |
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Mar 22, 2014 01:53
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Bethesda games like Skyrim don't do a fantastic job of using multiple cores and AMD CPUs seem to have a serious lack of single-core performance.
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Hog Butcher posted:Bethesda games like Skyrim don't do a fantastic job of using multiple cores and AMD CPUs seem to have a serious lack of single-core performance. It's kind of sad that bulldozer was so far behind phenom II performance wise. I played 40 hours of skyrim on a phenom II and the only time it ever lagged was the battle for white run. The only game where the processor was ever a bottleneck was starcraft II 4x4. I sold my trinity A8 laptop and bought a chromebook. This is the first time in my adult life that I don't own an AMD processor of some sort.
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Mar 24, 2014 13:24
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I have a phenom IIx6, and while I don't regret buying it back when I did, I could never justify buying AMD now. It's sad that as far as I can tell, AMD don't even plan on releasing a successor to their last generation FX line this year, which now places them years behind intel - Have they given up on non budget stuff altogether? It sure seems like it.
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Mar 24, 2014 13:36
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The Lord Bude posted:I have a phenom IIx6, and while I don't regret buying it back when I did, I could never justify buying AMD now. It's sad that as far as I can tell, AMD don't even plan on releasing a successor to their last generation FX line this year, which now places them years behind intel - Have they given up on non budget stuff altogether? It sure seems like it. Yeah, I thought awhile back that I read they were dropping out of the performance market to favor the low and mid range. APUs in laptops with 1300x700 displays are the only time I recommend buying AMD to anyone. Even that might change if iris pro is competitive with A8 and A10 APUs.
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Mar 24, 2014 13:42
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The Lord Bude posted:I have a phenom IIx6, and while I don't regret buying it back when I did, I could never justify buying AMD now. It's sad that as far as I can tell, AMD don't even plan on releasing a successor to their last generation FX line this year, which now places them years behind intel - Have they given up on non budget stuff altogether? It sure seems like it. Really man, I still feel like the Phenom II was the last thing worth buying from AMD.
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Ignoarints posted:Really man, I still feel like the Phenom II was the last thing worth buying from AMD. Don' t say things like that, I almost had myself convinced I need an i5. 
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Mar 24, 2014 15:41
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Ignoarints posted:Really man, I still feel like the Phenom II was the last thing worth buying from AMD. It was the last AMD CPU I bought. It lasted me a good 5 years  I have an i5 now.
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Mar 24, 2014 16:07
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Hog Butcher posted:Bethesda games like Skyrim don't do a fantastic job of using multiple cores and AMD CPUs seem to have a serious lack of single-core performance.
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ufarn posted:Wasn't it Oblivion where you had to manually set the program to run single core to avoid some weirdness for some devices?
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SwissCM posted:It was the last AMD CPU I bought. It lasted me a good 5 years I've had one variation or another of it for probably just as long, up until early this year. I sold it but really honestly almost wish I hadn't. Was such a trooper, for $100. Plus being compatible with every AMD motherboard in 5 years was pretty loving sweet. That said, my i5 now is just ... I mean... you know. Panty Saluter posted:Don' t say things like that, I almost had myself convinced I need an i5. You do. I mean, the difference between the two actually lives up to the hype, and I really didn't think it would. Like at all. So wrong.
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Mar 24, 2014 16:20
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Ignoarints posted:You do. I mean, the difference between the two actually lives up to the hype, and I really didn't think it would. Like at all. So wrong. I bought an unlocked i5 for Wii emulation. It made a massive difference.
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Mar 24, 2014 16:28
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SwissCM posted:It was the last AMD CPU I bought. It lasted me a good 5 years Which Phenom and i5 did and do you have? I really want to justify upgrading but it's drat hard when most everything works so well (most of the computer upgrades I have made have been under duress). Then I see my wife's i3 computer (with a 7200 RPM mechanical drive) load and run poo poo almost as fast as my SSD equipped Phenom and I think that is somethign I really want in my life. e: beaten I see
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Mar 24, 2014 16:30
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Panty Saluter posted:Which Phenom and i5 did and do you have? I really want to justify upgrading but it's drat hard when most everything works so well (most of the computer upgrades I have made have been under duress). Then I see my wife's i3 computer (with a 7200 RPM mechanical drive) load and run poo poo almost as fast as my SSD equipped Phenom and I think that is somethign I really want in my life. Phenom II x4 955 -> i5-4670K It's a worthy upgrade.
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Mar 24, 2014 16:33
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Panty Saluter posted:Which Phenom and i5 did and do you have? I really want to justify upgrading but it's drat hard when most everything works so well (most of the computer upgrades I have made have been under duress). Then I see my wife's i3 computer (with a 7200 RPM mechanical drive) load and run poo poo almost as fast as my SSD equipped Phenom and I think that is somethign I really want in my life. Basically the same as above for me too, 965 BE -> i5-4670k. Stock for stock, i5 tore up the AMD pretty hard but it really started getting insane when I overclocked. If you do want to upgrade, I'd wait until the refresh if you can (June? May?) unless you have zero desire to overclock in which case I'd still probably wait until the refresh and then pick up an "old" haswell for cheaper. Okay now I feel bad for plugging intel in the amd thread. So I'll just repeat that the phenon II has a special place in my heart and leave 
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Ignoarints posted:pick up an "old" haswell for cheaper. Doesn't happen. Intel does not drop prices when new CPUs come out, no doubt to ensure there's never a cost benefit to waiting for a new CPU.
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Ignoarints posted:Okay now I feel bad for plugging intel in the amd thread. So I'll just repeat that the phenon II has a special place in my heart and leave I know, it really hurts saying it
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Ah I didn't know that about the pricing. There must be some kind of sales though to clear stock from retailers though... right? How long does Intel produce a refresh model and the previous model? I'm sorry I'm very new to all that I haven't had an Intel in probably ten years edit: come on AMD, we need some competition lol Ignoarints fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Mar 24, 2014 |
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Peechka posted:Those "old haswells" never seem to drop in price, regardless of the new ones. Yeah, which is the real pain in the dick of AMD falling off so badly. At least when they were a viable alternative Intel had to cut prices occasionally. I'd totally just snap up an Ivy Bridge if they were any cheaper than a Haswell but they just aren't. I'm eyeballing the 4570 since I don't really care about overclocking (even though I have the old Phenom overclocked a little).
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I am still really happy with my Kavari A10-7850 after a couple of months in my HTPC. Handles all the video I throw at it, roms with ease, and Stick of Truth played at 1080p without issue. I would never put it in my GGR, but for this application, it sips power and handles everything much better than the Wolfdale C2D it replaced.
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Ignoarints posted:Really man, I still feel like the Phenom II was the last thing worth buying from AMD. I had a Phenom 2 960 that was able to unlock 2 additional cores and also do some slight overclocking. Great CPU and didnt have too many issues running modern games at all. Im with you, these other AMD chips just dont perform as well as they should to be considered a viable alternative to Intels offerings.
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Panty Saluter posted:Yeah, which is the real pain in the dick of AMD falling off so badly. At least when they were a viable alternative Intel had to cut prices occasionally. I'd totally just snap up an Ivy Bridge if they were any cheaper than a Haswell but they just aren't. They only really ever cut the prices for chips that just weren't selling, combined with retailers ending up with way too much stock cutting prices as last ditch clearance efforts.
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Panty Saluter posted:Yeah, which is the real pain in the dick of AMD falling off so badly. At least when they were a viable alternative Intel had to cut prices occasionally. I'd totally just snap up an Ivy Bridge if they were any cheaper than a Haswell but they just aren't. I know there is a real difference in price in motherboards, but if you're lucky enough to live next to a microcenter you might be able to swing a 4670k + z87 mobo for cheaper than a 4570 + b85 mobo online. Microcenter is weird, but they rock. And a "minor" overclock of that cpu is very easy. The stock cooler could handle 4.0 for me... barely, but it could. 4.4 was effortless with a $60 cooler, although I don't see why an evo 212 wouldn't work. edit: Ugh there I go again. Sorry sorry Ignoarints fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Mar 24, 2014 |
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Sadly the nearest MicroCenter to me is in Dallas, which is a solid 1.5-2 hours wach way (assuming reasonable traffic  ) plus a tank of gas so that neatly evaporates most if not all of the savings.Newegg has the 4670K for 219 (only on one listing, why there is more than one listing is anyone's guess) edit: I should be able to continue using my PC-12800 DDR 3 on a new board, right? I feel silly asking but I don't trust things that seem too easy/cheap
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Panty Saluter posted:Newegg has the 4670K for 219 (only on one listing, why there is more than one listing is anyone's guess) quote:edit: I should be able to continue using my PC-12800 DDR 3 on a new board, right? I feel silly asking but I don't trust things that seem too easy/cheap
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Alereon posted:Newegg is like Amazon, they list products sold both by them and other stores. Make absolutely sure you filter by "Sold by: Newegg" or you are buying counterfeit product from some scam company. Yeah I always do this. I had to open both items in tabs to realize one was a K and the other isn't.  Alereon posted:As long as the voltage is no higher than 1.50v yes. If it is higher than 1.50v buy new RAM, or you can likely run it at 1333Mhz at 1.50v. Sweet, I'm right on the money (also feel free to laugh at my old-rear end setup) e: goddammit radium Panty Saluter fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Mar 25, 2014 |
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You're STRANGLING those poor vid cards with those processors!
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Jago posted:You're STRANGLING those poor vid cards with those processors! The guy knows, hence two posts ago he's mentioning the i5 he wants to get.
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Jago posted:You're STRANGLING those poor vid cards with those processors! Man, you'll really hate me then. I don't even have it over clocked or the fourth core unlocked anymore. 
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Jago posted:I used to have one of those 720's, so I know what you are doing there too. I've gotten to the point that I am just going to wait until it dies, or DDR4 has it's first big price drop and build then. Who knows, maybe AMD will have another offering by then It still plays what I want at an acceptable frame rate on fairly high settings so I have no huge complaints. The HDD speed is what kills me the most for day to day usage, especially since I bought a Haswell Air.
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thegreatcodfish posted:Who knows, maybe AMD will have another offering by then It'd be quite welcome, but AMD's annual budget (after over a billion dollars in Intel largesse!) fits into Intel's R&D budget alone almost twice over, and Intel's at least one step ahead of everyone already (usually two), so it'd probably take an actual 'call the Pope' miracle.
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Sir Unimaginative posted:It'd be quite welcome, but AMD's annual budget (after over a billion dollars in Intel largesse!) fits into Intel's R&D budget alone almost twice over, and Intel's at least one step ahead of everyone already (usually two), so it'd probably take an actual 'call the Pope' miracle. Wow. That is bleak.
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According to "sources", AMD is dropping the FX-9590. Seems they are throwing everything they have into their HSA strategy.
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So David Kanter over at Real World Tech posted a deep dive into the Jaguar architecture for those who are interested in that sort of thing.
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Rastor posted:According to "sources", AMD is dropping the FX-9590. Seems they are throwing everything they have into their HSA strategy. Drop it like it's hot. 220 Watts hot
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Rastor posted:According to "sources", AMD is dropping the FX-9590. Seems they are throwing everything they have into their HSA strategy. Newegg has the FX-9590 as a shell shocker deal for $260 today, which ties right into that. I'd love the novelty of playing around with a 220W CPU but $260 is just too high. I wonder how many of these sold anywhere near retail price.
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