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Chuu posted:Newegg has the FX-9590 as a shell shocker deal for $260 today, which ties right into that. I'd love the novelty of playing around with a 220W CPU but $260 is just too high. I remember when they first came out and were selling for a thousand dollars... You had to be a special kind of crazy to buy one then considering the amount of manual tweaking required to even make one work at it's advertised clock speed.
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The Lord Bude posted:I remember when they first came out and were selling for a thousand dollars... You had to be a special kind of crazy to buy one then considering the amount of manual tweaking required to even make one work at it's advertised clock speed. I read that its just an overclocked 8350. Not "sort of" but literally. It's probably just common knowledge but when I saw that price, I looked up benchmarks to see if even at $260 was it worthwhile over an i7 4770k and no. It is not. Stock for stock the i7 beats it (at least for games)
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Ehh I'm a not-so-proud owner of an FX-8350. It was the fastest FX before 9370 came along and I'm glad I haven't bought this loving incinerator because 4Ghz 8350 already runs plenty hot (80C at full load, with aftermarket cooling.) I simply don't see how 9370 could operate as intended (4.7 Ghz? Are you loving serious?) and do they expect it to be cooled with a stock cooler or does AMD ship that CPU without a cooler, like Intel's LGA2011 CPUs? I owned a LGA2011 system back in the day, and while it was a complete dog at least it gave some performance. FX-8320 is the only FX I'd recommend to people, it runs really well with stock cooling and you can easily squeeze a good 600Mhz OC out of it. Other processors in FX family are simply too lacklustre or HOT to recommend to anyone, really. edit: I just dusted off my 8350 because the chip runs incredibly close to its thermal limits and a 5% reduction in cooling efficiency sends it over the edge. So not only the processor is a dog, it's a high-maintenance dog too. Should have stuck with my old 8320. A SWEATY FATBEARD fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Apr 14, 2014 |
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Oh what I was really getting at was the fact that it is just an overclock 8350 ... selling for $800-$1000 originally  They came with no cooler or a "stock" watercooler
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Many years ago I became an AMD fanboy after witnessing a dualcore Prescott P4 in action. It was the noisiest, hottest running turd I've ever seen, and it was obliterated by ANY Athlon x2. Few years later, the company that gave us A64 architecture has stooped to making eight-core prescotts; noisy and hot FX turds. AMD, I am so disappoint 
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A SWEATY FATBEARD posted:Many years ago I became an AMD fanboy after witnessing a dualcore Prescott P4 in action. It was the noisiest, hottest running turd I've ever seen, and it was obliterated by ANY Athlon x2. Few years later, the company that gave us A64 architecture has stooped to making eight-core prescotts; noisy and hot FX turds. AMD, I am so disappoint I was a fanboy with my last phenom II 965 BE. Before that my 3-core was baller as well because it cost $75 and the fourth core unlocked. When the first FX came around though I was just confused.
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Ignoarints posted:I was a fanboy with my last phenom II 965 BE. Before that my 3-core was baller as well because it cost $75 and the fourth core unlocked. When the first FX came around though I was just confused. I jumped on the Socket AM3+ platform while it was still cutting-edge technology, and the whole thing was evidently rushed out the door before the teething troubles were sorted out. I had no end of trouble running two 550Ti cards in SLI - the whole system stuttered horribly and video - any video - was completely unwatchable. Google couldn't come up with an answer, and no amount of tweaking could make the loving thing work, so I had to remove the SLI bridge, which was pretty much the worst (and only) solution. A few years of development later, I have an FX system which suffers from microstuttering, this is apparently caused by some thread-scheduling issue which was never fully resolved. I went with an FX system because I needed a lot of cache memory and the ability to run eight threads in parallel (their individual speed is less of a concern). But my next system is definitely going to be an Intel. e:sp A SWEATY FATBEARD fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Apr 14, 2014 |
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I would love to be able to eventually replace my i5 with something from AMD, buuuuuuuuut...I don't see that happening. Ever.
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A SWEATY FATBEARD posted:Ehh I'm a not-so-proud owner of an FX-8350. It was the fastest FX before 9370 came along and I'm glad I haven't bought this loving incinerator because 4Ghz 8350 already runs plenty hot (80C at full load, with aftermarket cooling.) I simply don't see how 9370 could operate as intended (4.7 Ghz? Are you loving serious?) and do they expect it to be cooled with a stock cooler or does AMD ship that CPU without a cooler, like Intel's LGA2011 CPUs? Not only is it sold without a cooler but the specifications list liquid cooling as a requirement.
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thegreatcodfish posted:Man, you'll really hate me then. I don't even have it over clocked or the fourth core unlocked anymore. I upgraded from a 720 to a free 1100T.....sad, but it was free. I'm kinda wishing I hadn't gotten it since I have less incentive to rebuilt completely.
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A SWEATY FATBEARD posted:Many years ago I became an AMD fanboy after witnessing a dualcore Prescott P4 in action. It was the noisiest, hottest running turd I've ever seen, and it was obliterated by ANY Athlon x2. Few years later, the company that gave us A64 architecture has stooped to making eight-core prescotts; noisy and hot FX turds. AMD, I am so disappoint My family has been long-time AMD diehards. My desktops have pretty much always been AMD based - first a K6-2 400, then an Athlon XP 1800+, then an A64 X2 3800+, and most recently a Phenom II X4. I did a lot of video encoding on a Thunderbird and had a media PC running an XP Mobile chip long before TV PCs were common. At this point I'm trying to figure out a reasonable upgrade path from the Phenom and the math on Bulldozer/Piledriver just doesn't work. The traditional advantage of AMD was power usage, and at this point AMD has become Pentium 4-level bad on power. The per-core performance is solidly better on the i7 and even on highly threaded workloads the AMD processors still underperform. The AMD processors usually have been better value even when they underperformed, but that's no longer true either. In particular on price, the AMD 970 chipset really really hosed things up. I could see scrounging up some components on the cheap, but all the cheap AM3+ mobos are 970-based. The 970 is advertised as supporting 125W TDP (i.e. Piledriver chips) and some of the mobos specifically advertise support but if you actually try to pull that much power in a sustained fashion (encoding, etc) then the motherboard chipset burns up. So as an upgrade path, that equipment is totally throwaway. You need the new 990 chipset which is just as expensive as buying an Intel motherboard. gently caress that noise. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Apr 14, 2014 |
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Note that the motherboard burning up doesn't really have anything to do with the chipset, it's insufficient power phases and cooling for the VRM components by the motherboard designer. Even on their APU platforms the lower-end boards without heatsinks on the VRMs power-off under load, Anandtech gave up and performs all their AMD mobo reviews with a case fan blowing on the VRM area. Honestly there comes a point where people need to accept that it costs a certain amount to build a motherboard and if you find one cheaper than that it can't work.
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Alereon posted:Note that the motherboard burning up doesn't really have anything to do with the chipset, it's insufficient power phases and cooling for the VRM components by the motherboard designer. Even on their APU platforms the lower-end boards without heatsinks on the VRMs power-off under load, Anandtech gave up and performs all their AMD mobo reviews with a case fan blowing on the VRM area. Honestly there comes a point where people need to accept that it costs a certain amount to build a motherboard and if you find one cheaper than that it can't work. I guess my days of buying crappy $40 motherboards are over. Did I just always get lucky or was this a new development since bulldozer is so lovely?
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keyvin posted:I guess my days of buying crappy $40 motherboards are over. Did I just always get lucky or was this a new development since bulldozer is so lovely?
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Paul MaudDib posted:then an Athlon XP 1800+, Oh yes, this one. In fact I'm still keeping an old Palomino system in the basement as an emergency rig. Paired up with a gig of DDR and a decent video card, the old fucker runs Win7 quite happily, and though it's hardly a speed demon it's powerful enough for internet and youtube. Not bad for a system that's nearly fifteen years old. On the other hand, FX seems to be doomed to become a novelty part down the line through sheer audacity. What are the sales figures for Bulldozer and Piledriver? In the past AMD had trouble meeting the demand for XP and A64 processors, while FX seems like a pretty hard part to move.
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A SWEATY FATBEARD posted:On the other hand, FX seems to be doomed to become a novelty part down the line through sheer audacity. What are the sales figures for Bulldozer and Piledriver? In the past AMD had trouble meeting the demand for XP and A64 processors, while FX seems like a pretty hard part to move. Numbers here: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/175190-amd-beats-earnings-estimates-thanks-to-console-sales-but-apu-outlook-is-bleak Basically AMD is being driven out of the desktop market. Desktops are declining overall but Intel has suffered a glancing blow while AMD took it on the chin. They're riding pretty heavily on console sales (both the PS4 and the Xbox One use AMD CPUs) as well as their GPU business, which is thriving thanks to Bitcoin and altcoins. They're still in a somewhat unstable position but they're not bleeding out anymore at least. It's worth noting that both the PS4 and the Xbox One are built around Jaguar, AMD's low-power architecture, rather than Piledriver. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Apr 15, 2014 |
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Timna, if you will.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Numbers here: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/175190-amd-beats-earnings-estimates-thanks-to-console-sales-but-apu-outlook-is-bleak as far as I can tell, none of their roadmaps even mention a successor to the FX stuff, at least not this year or the next.
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The Lord Bude posted:as far as I can tell, none of their roadmaps even mention a successor to the FX stuff, at least not this year or the next. Pure speculation makes me think the successor to FX is a 'nice thing to do when we can' and not a priority. If their APU direction pays off in a big way it might give them the floating resources to put people back on the FX project.
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Install Windows posted:The successor to FX will be AMD getting a second source license for mainstream Intel processors again. Could be worse 
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El Scotch posted:Pure speculation makes me think the successor to FX is a 'nice thing to do when we can' and not a priority. If their APU direction pays off in a big way it might give them the floating resources to put people back on the FX project. I find myself wondering if history will repeat itself, and have AMD do what Intel did years ago: abandon their FX line in favor of improving their APUs to the point that they can get high end performance from them.
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Hey, this is big: Global Foundries and IBM cross-licensed Samsung's 14 nm FinFET node. With AMD being a big GloFo customer, that means they now have process-parity with Intel all of a sudden. The process is for CPUs and SoCs only, apparently, so it won't suddenly filter over the GPUs (which is a shame). TechReport link
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Factory Factory posted:Hey, this is big: Global Foundries and IBM cross-licensed Samsung's 14 nm FinFET node. With AMD being a big GloFo customer, that means they now have process-parity with Intel all of a sudden. The process is for CPUs and SoCs only, apparently, so it won't suddenly filter over the GPUs (which is a shame). Cross reference this with what nVidia's up to lately with IBM, the POWER-inspired nVLink interlink technology, and things are getting really interesting in SoCS. IBM is working as quickly as possible to make people forget about their unfortunate circumstances relating to the NCSA Blue Waters project. Wheels within wheels. Good catch, FF  Wish you were around more on Skype, miss ya man.
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I still don't understand what APUs do that are different from any modern CPU with GPU built in. Can someone explain?
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Install Windows posted:I still don't understand what APUs do that are different from any modern CPU with GPU built in. Can someone explain? It's their term for a CPU with GPU compute capability built in, like Nvidia's Tegra chips with CUDA or something like that. Theoretically there's advantages to doing it this way, if I remember they were working on a fully unified address space, so you avoid the bottleneck of having to offload data to the coprocessor. In practical terms, I don't think it's much different for most desktop users, since most of the intensive tasks like video decoding are handled in any decent processor with GPU. It's probably a selling point if you're (say) Sony and you're going to build a software ecosystem around the feature set. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Apr 20, 2014 |
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In a broader sense AMD wants to force the "APU" moniker through pure marketing spin well ahead of what an "APU" actually implies in a technical sense, and readily admits that Nehalem et al were technically "APUs" in order to try to win the greater framing of the "APU" as a massive technological advancement. If you don't have anything going for your company, "your photos will look better on an AMD processor!!!" and, uh, providing the world's fastest JPEG decoder is a reasonable PR strategy to those that don't realize how funny it is. unlocking both sides of the brain  I would like AMD to find their legs in an appropriate market segment, but it's kind of pathetic, especially when the occasional tech site gives the concept credence. e: that said, Kaveri was a vast improvement in this respect, and Carrizo probably will be too, but I think the PR is well ahead of the tech in this case Srebrenica Surprise fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Apr 20, 2014 |
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Install Windows posted:I still don't understand what APUs do that are different from any modern CPU with GPU built in. Can someone explain? HSA is a pretty big deal. It means you can pass pointers to memory between the CPU and GPU, massively simplifying offloading processing to the GPU. I believe open office calc was modified to take advantage of it, and it dramatically decreased the amount of time taken to process a large sheet.
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This is great, now just invent time travel and send it back to 1997 when anyone would give a poo poo.
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The performance gains can be impressive,   the problem is your app has to be modified to take advantage of HSA. AMD has a long road ahead of them to convince developers to do so.
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Srebrenica Surprise posted:In a broader sense AMD wants to force the "APU" moniker through pure marketing spin well ahead of what an "APU" actually implies in a technical sense, and readily admits that Nehalem et al were technically "APUs" in order to try to win the greater framing of the "APU" as a massive technological advancement. Here's kind of a wall-of-text with the compute performance of various integrated graphics solutions from the last few years: AMD AMD 880G Chipset = 44.8 GFLOPS (HD 4250) (March 2010) Llano: A8-3870K = 480 GFLOPS (HD 6550D) (Dec 20, 2011, 100W) Trinity: A10-5800K = 614 GFLOPS (HD 7660D) (Oct 1, 2012, 100W) Richland: A10-6800K = 648.2 GFLOPS (HD 8670D) (Jun 4 2013, 100W) Kaveri: A10-7800 = 737.3 GFLOPS (R7) (Jan 14, 2014, 95W) Intel Intel G45 Chipset = 32 GFLOPS (GMA X4500 HD) (June 2008) Sandy Bridge: Core i5 2500 = 52.8 GFLOPS (HD 2000) (January 2011) (95W) Core i5 2500K = 105.6 GFLOPS (HD 3000) (January 2011) (95W) Ivy Bridge: Core i5 3570 = 110.4 GFLOPS (HD 2500) (April 2012) (77W) Core i5 3570K = 294.4 GFLOPS (HD 4000) (April 2012) (77W) Haswell: Core i5 4670K = 384 GFLOPS (HD 4600) (June 2013) (84W) Core i5 4570R = 736 GFLOPS (Iris Pro 5200) (June 2013) (65W) You can see that Intel didn't step significantly beyond the bare minimum on their mainstream CPUs until Haswell. Iris Pro graphics finally offers performance that is competitive with AMD APUs, but it will remain extremely difficult to find those products in the market until Broadwell next year. Things like JPEG decoding can seem pointless on the desktop, but for ultramobile markets (especially Android) everything you can move to fixed-function hardware represents performance and battery life improvements. Kabini is targeted at the same markets as Atom and ARM processors. Alereon fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Apr 20, 2014 |
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Anyone here have a chance to use the new Kabini based Athlons or Semprons? The barebone kits are fairly inexpensive, and they seem interesting for a small general purpose ITX build.
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Dude Warez my .tar posted:Anyone here have a chance to use the new Kabini based Athlons or Semprons? The barebone kits are fairly inexpensive, and they seem interesting for a small general purpose ITX build.
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Alereon posted:It doesn't seem like a good option compared to a build with a Pentium G3220, for example. The TDP is higher and the system would cost $15-$30 more, but Kabini is just so drat slow that it doesn't make sense to go with one over a Pentium or Celeron, especially since you're giving up QuickSync that was recently added to Celeron and Pentium CPUs (previously Core i3 only). Speaking of QuickSync, did Handbrake's developers just dump it as an option? I've poked around on Sourceforge and tried the only available nightly, but QSV is just not popping up.
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Panty Saluter posted:Speaking of QuickSync, did Handbrake's developers just dump it as an option? I've poked around on Sourceforge and tried the only available nightly, but QSV is just not popping up.
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AMD made some press today. They announced Project Skybridge, a single socket for which they will make both ARM and x86 Processors. They are developing a 64-bit ARM core, called K12. They are also developing a new x86 core which is "a new design built from the ground up". Rumor has it that for this new core AMD is giving up on the CMT design used in Bulldozer/Piledriver/Steamroller/Excavator and will instead go back to something more like what Intel has been using. Rastor fucked around with this message at 19:25 on May 5, 2014 |
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Rastor posted:They are also developing a new x86 core which is "a new design built from the ground up". Rumor has it that for this new core AMD is giving up on the CMT design used in Bulldozer/Piledriver/Steamroller/Excavator and will instead go back to something more like what Intel has been using. 14nm Samsung FinFET K13 with no more than four physical cores? I can only hope. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 20:28 on May 5, 2014 |
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