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always be closing
Jul 16, 2005
Thanks for a great op. I had lot of my questions answered right there.

I'd like to spend about $500 or less on an audio system for my 3 season porch(13'x14') only problem is the television has to go in a corner. Mostly music and TV/Netflix. I'll post a picture later on.

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MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007

Hi, I'm looking for replacement front left and right speakers for my surround set (from the Energy 5.1 set). They are currently bookshelf speakers on stands and I'd like to get some floor standing speakers instead.

What would be a good pair to get? my budget is somewhere around 250-300 for a pair at most.

Hob_Gadling
Jul 6, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Grimey Drawer

MacheteZombie posted:

What would be a good pair to get? my budget is somewhere around 250-300 for a pair at most.

Where do you live?


If you're American, get a pair of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16886290002

For the price they're very nice. At $119 per speaker it's hard to get better floorstanding ones new.

Hob_Gadling
Jul 6, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Grimey Drawer
I think my home theater is now finished. I've got everything I want and while you could always want for more, that's way into diminishing returns territory.

List of stuff:

Sony VPL-HW40ES
Denon x1000 amp
OR 440 front speakers
Argon CC, subwoofer and surrounds


I don't have a screen. We had an extensive renovation in our apartment and got the chance to paint a whole wall with Tikkurila H499 paint. The wall isn't perfectly straight either, but it's both straight enough and gray enough to work as a decent screen.

The projector was a recommendation from projector thread. It's ceiling mounted so noise level was very important to me. HW40 is the quietest projector I know of. In addition the picture is beautiful, especially the colors. Since I have 3 weeks of vacation coming up, I'm going to watch a lot of movies. Especially animation.

The speakers and amp are patchwork that I've gotten during the years. While I do like the sound of B&W better (and to be honest, sometimes get stuck watching movies on my computer just because they sound so awesome) everything I have on the home theater side sounds good enough and can play loud enough. More bass would be nice, but not compatible with apartment living.

Better sofa is probably the next thing to buy. In a perfect world I would get a separate home theater room, but in this one I'm more than happy with what I've got. Since I have a separate system for music, there's no reason to maximize quality on that front. Whatever money goes into the hobby goes towards content.

Next up, record player. NAD 5025 I got for free wasn't repairable so I need a new unit. Maybe Pro-Ject, maybe Dual. I also found a place that sells records for €1 apiece. I'm tempted to clean the place out.

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007

Hob_Gadling posted:

Where do you live?


If you're American, get a pair of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16886290002

For the price they're very nice. At $119 per speaker it's hard to get better floorstanding ones new.

I am an American, and thank you for the suggestion!

NoDamage
Dec 2, 2000
Anyone have an opinion on the Pioneer SP-FS52-LR floor standing speakers vs the ELAC B6 bookshelves for a 2.0 setup?

Mr. BT
Oct 14, 2002
What's the verdict on Sonos?

I'd really like some wireless surrounds for my bedroom. Currently I'm using a Bose Cinemate, which I like, except that it doesn't have a possibility of surrounds.

My top priority is not having wires all over my room for the dog to chew on, followed by something that makes music sound really great. It doesn't have to blow the doors off because I have a roommate.

If not Sonos, I could piece together something using a receiver. Suggestions?

hraringly bloingler
Feb 22, 2005



Has anyone ever had a couple HDMi ports go bad? Today I turned on my home theater (Directv to receiver to TV) and only got video, no audio. I have all my devices over HDMI and haven't changed anything. I tried different cables and different setups until I isolated it as 2 of the HDMI ports from the receiver will only give me video out. The other two have audio/video with no issues. Seems strange as I'd imagine if the HDMI daughter board went out all of the ports would be dead.

gregor samsara
Apr 7, 2007


NoDamage posted:

Anyone have an opinion on the Pioneer SP-FS52-LR floor standing speakers vs the ELAC B6 bookshelves for a 2.0 setup?
I don't know about the Pioneer speakers, but I just got the Elac B6s (and a C5 for 3.0) and really like them

NoDamage
Dec 2, 2000

HAIL eSATA-n posted:

I don't know about the Pioneer speakers, but I just got the Elac B6s (and a C5 for 3.0) and really like them
I ended up going with the B6s, figured in the future I could pick up their floor-standers and eventually upgrade towards the full 5.1. Plus all the reviews I've read say the ELACs are a nice upgrade over the Pioneers, which makes sense considering they're the newer, less budget restricted, speakers designed by the same guy. (Edit: And apparently made in the same factory.)

How important do you find the center speaker? I might go with that next.

NoDamage fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Dec 18, 2015

gregor samsara
Apr 7, 2007


NoDamage posted:

I ended up going with the B6s, figured in the future I could pick up their floor-standers and eventually upgrade towards the full 5.1. Plus all the reviews I've read say the ELACs are a nice upgrade over the Pioneers, which makes sense considering they're the newer, less budget restricted, speakers designed by the same guy. (Edit: And apparently made in the same factory.)

How important do you find the center speaker? I might go with that next.
Everything I know about speakers came from this and other threads on SA, so my opinion is worthless. But, I enjoy having a center channel, though I don't think it's essential.

smackfu
Jun 7, 2004

Mr. BT posted:

What's the verdict on Sonos?

Everyone seems to like them.

Buying in at the lowest level of a high end system can be tough. Like you can get two bookshelf speakers for $350 but if you want to add their subwoofer it is $700. And the thing that connects it to your stereo is $350.

Also, I think you need the $50 Bridge unless you want to hardwire Ethernet to your bedroom speaker.

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

smackfu posted:

Everyone seems to like them.

Buying in at the lowest level of a high end system can be tough. Like you can get two bookshelf speakers for $350 but if you want to add their subwoofer it is $700. And the thing that connects it to your stereo is $350.

Also, I think you need the $50 Bridge unless you want to hardwire Ethernet to your bedroom speaker.

You don't need a bridge anymore, they figured out how to make it work on wifi. (Or so they say, I'm still using a bridge because why would I change anything?)

Sonos works well, sounds good, and has a lot of services supported, but it isn't cheap. Now that chromecast audio supports multi-room, I might not choose sonos again.

Mr. BT
Oct 14, 2002
Would you recommend a PLAYBAR and some Play:1s? I've heard the Play:5 is super awesome, but it would be ridiculous to use those as surrounds.

Maybe Play:3s as surrounds?

Is this going to be a substantial upgrade from my Cinemate 15? Should I just go ahead and get the sub since I would lose it currently from my 2.1 system?

I can hardwire it if I have to. I'd love for something that makes me notice new parts of music, but I don't know if this will do that.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





HAIL eSATA-n posted:

Everything I know about speakers came from this and other threads on SA, so my opinion is worthless. But, I enjoy having a center channel, though I don't think it's essential.

I don't know poo poo about speakers but I like having a center channel and a receiver that can boost dialog volume. There just seems to be so many movies that have low dialog compared to EXPLOSIONS that make it hard to hear without adjustment. Noticed a huge different going from stereo to 5.1.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

I love my Sonos for music but I wouldn't bother building a surround system with it. The playbar and sub alone is $1400.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

in the garden. straight up "Borgen it"
Yeah for 1400 you could put together a pretty sweet setup.

Dogen
May 5, 2002

Bury my body down by the highwayside, so that my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride
My venerable 1019k is dying and I panic ordered a 1030k to replace it. Is there a similar unit from another manufacturer I should consider instead? I'm reading some negative things about the unit having some video processing problems (as in, it doesn't do pass through maybe, or maybe people on the Internet are bad at setting units up).

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


A heads up for anyone looking for headphones, the Beyerdynamic DT-235s are 66% off on Amazon right now: http://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-DT-235-Headphone-Black/dp/B00198BY48

$25 is one hell of a bargain for the second-best set of headphones I've ever owned (DT-880s are still the best).

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

Wrong thread

Mr. BT
Oct 14, 2002

LmaoTheKid posted:

Yeah for 1400 you could put together a pretty sweet setup.

How would you do it with wireless surrounds?

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

in the garden. straight up "Borgen it"

Mr. BT posted:

How would you do it with wireless surrounds?

I wouldn't.

Hob_Gadling
Jul 6, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Grimey Drawer

Mr. BT posted:

How would you do it with wireless surrounds?

I'd rather get a good 3.1 setup than try to gently caress around with wireless surrounds unless money is truly no object. And even then I'd rather pay someone to hide the wires for me.

That said, Pebble Audio with Genelec speakers is a pretty elegant solution. It's just way expensive.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


To do wireless properly is $$$ and that's $$$ I'd rather put towards a real nice set of speakers or a gently caress ton of music...

Mr. BT
Oct 14, 2002

Hob_Gadling posted:

I'd rather get a good 3.1 setup than try to gently caress around with wireless surrounds unless money is truly no object. And even then I'd rather pay someone to hide the wires for me.

That said, Pebble Audio with Genelec speakers is a pretty elegant solution. It's just way expensive.

Okay so assume I have a sub, and a great center channel. I'm going to need a 4K compliant receiver and mountable front and rear speakers. Any recommendations?

Hob_Gadling
Jul 6, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Grimey Drawer

Mr. BT posted:

Okay so assume I have a sub, and a great center channel. I'm going to need a 4K compliant receiver and mountable front and rear speakers. Any recommendations?

What's your budget? Do you want floorstanding or bookshelf speakers in front?

For what it's worth, I wouldn't buy any receiver with 4K in mind just yet. At the very least demo the new receiver with all your sources lest you end up with some stupid copy protection problem.

Let's look at a couple choices because it's fun.

1) a bigger budget setup for a relatively small room

For receiver, any of the new Denon models starting from X4200W. Older versions don't support HDCP 2.2, yet another attempt to screw the consumer.

For fronts, a pair of Genelec G Fours.

For surrounds, a pair or two of Genelec G Ones.

For wireless (and remember, this is only if money is really no obstacle) I'd get this transmitter and a pair of receiving units per pair of speakers:

http://www.pebbleaudio.com/index.php/en/support

Which'll go for about €400 per set (but you could probably negotiate the price when buying several sets). It's expensive but it's small enough to be hidden behind the speaker completely if you go for wallmounting. You'll need power for the speakers anyway, so splitting the socket for USB power to wireless shouldn't be a problem.

Note that even then you might want to hook up the front speakers with good ole wires. Total cost starts somewhere around 4 grand and goes up depending on which receiver you get.

2) a slightly more sensible budget


Receiver: Denon X3100W or the newer X3200W, depending on whether I want to spring for 4K. Maybe X4100W or X4200W.

Fronts: pretty much anything from $600-1000 range from Tannoy, B&W or any other brand which pleases your ear, or a pair of Genelec G Fours.

Surrounds: any pair of Pioneer or Polk bookshelfs I could get for $50 from sales

plus a bunch of wires and banana plugs to hook it all up.

Total cost is about $1000-2500, depending mostly on which speakers you get.

3) Entry-level budget (because hey, why not?)

Receiver: Denon X1100W. It's an excellent receiver for the money. Maybe X3100W depending on the sources or if I could score a good deal on one. Less than $500, I'd get X3100W.

Front speakers: any $150-600 pair of bookshelfs I listened to and liked, possibly used. For critical listening consider springing for a ~$300 pair of headphones from AKG or Beyerdynamic (aforementioned DT880 is a great, great pair) and get cheaper speakers for movies

Surrounds: any pair of Pioneer or Polk bookshelfs I could get for $50 from sales

plus a bunch of wires and banana plugs to hook it all up.

Total cost of $500-1500, depending once again on the bells and whistles. X3100W, DT880 headphones, pair of good bookshelves for fronts plus some wires and you're all set.

Beverly Cleavage
Jun 22, 2004

I am a pretty pretty princess, watch me do my pretty princess dance....

ssjonizuka posted:


I actually have a buddy potentially offloading the following: a pair of Energy Veritas V-6.3 tower speakers and a matching V-5.2c center channel speaker in piano black.

From our talks, he's pretty into stereo stuff, so I imagine this is probably overkill, but if it's cost comparison is negligible between this and the ELACs...it's a no brainer to get the used stuff, right?

Any other input or blatantly stupid things I'm missing?

So the Energy Veritas speakers are coming home. For the price, I just can't ignore it. They've basically brand new (superficial damage during shipping, and he got a replacement set for marginal cost)

So the question now falls to receiver, and/or amp. Clearly, if I start out with a decent receiver, I can limp along until I can afford a nice amp. I'm really only sticking with 3.1 for now, and subs are pretty much self powered these days... so I don't need the biggest/baddest receiver or amp on the block. Just enough to make the speakers do the job.

Browsing A4L, I'm thinking about the M7055 as the amp in the long term. Not sure when I can pick it up, given costs of powering these new speakers. Other input?

As a result, I'm also less sure where to start with the receiver. I'm thinking it would be nice to future-proof myself, but it's not necessary. We're not really doing anything over 1080p, and this is mostly going to be doing movies and occasional games (which is all 360, ps3, and netflix/amazon)... So do I go slightly cheaper and get the amp to start with, or future-proof, get hdcp2.2 compliant with a little power behind it and wait for the amp for a bit? I'm really sitting here going 50/50. Certainly open to input. Just don't want to overspend if I don't have to.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

ssjonizuka posted:

So the Energy Veritas speakers are coming home. For the price, I just can't ignore it. They've basically brand new (superficial damage during shipping, and he got a replacement set for marginal cost)

So the question now falls to receiver, and/or amp. Clearly, if I start out with a decent receiver, I can limp along until I can afford a nice amp. I'm really only sticking with 3.1 for now, and subs are pretty much self powered these days... so I don't need the biggest/baddest receiver or amp on the block. Just enough to make the speakers do the job.

Browsing A4L, I'm thinking about the M7055 as the amp in the long term. Not sure when I can pick it up, given costs of powering these new speakers. Other input?

As a result, I'm also less sure where to start with the receiver. I'm thinking it would be nice to future-proof myself, but it's not necessary. We're not really doing anything over 1080p, and this is mostly going to be doing movies and occasional games (which is all 360, ps3, and netflix/amazon)... So do I go slightly cheaper and get the amp to start with, or future-proof, get hdcp2.2 compliant with a little power behind it and wait for the amp for a bit? I'm really sitting here going 50/50. Certainly open to input. Just don't want to overspend if I don't have to.

They have a claimed 93+db sensitivity. Pick whichever receiver has some good auto-eq features (ie Audyssey XT) and be happy. You certainly don't need a seperate amp. Even less so if you send the bass over to a subwoofer.

I run similarly sensitive speakers (Klipsch rf3) with a receiver on the low end of power (around 100 watts per channel sustained) and not once have I wished for more wattage or detected what I thought was a clipping amp. It keeps up with my 2.2kw subwoofer amp boosted at +3db.

jonathan fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Dec 22, 2015

Dogen
May 5, 2002

Bury my body down by the highwayside, so that my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride

Dogen posted:

My venerable 1019k is dying and I panic ordered a 1030k to replace it. Is there a similar unit from another manufacturer I should consider instead? I'm reading some negative things about the unit having some video processing problems (as in, it doesn't do pass through maybe, or maybe people on the Internet are bad at setting units up).

People are stupid and as far as I've experienced the 1130k is a fine update to the 1019k. I've only played with built-in AirPlay a yet and haven't messed with many of the other modern features, but 2 channel and 5.1 performance are comparable or better. No video weirdness.

Beverly Cleavage
Jun 22, 2004

I am a pretty pretty princess, watch me do my pretty princess dance....

jonathan posted:

They have a claimed 93+db sensitivity. Pick whichever receiver has some good auto-eq features (ie Audyssey XT) and be happy. You certainly don't need a seperate amp. Even less so if you send the bass over to a subwoofer.

I run similarly sensitive speakers (Klipsch rf3) with a receiver on the low end of power (around 100 watts per channel sustained) and not once have I wished for more wattage or detected what I thought was a clipping amp. It keeps up with my 2.2kw subwoofer amp boosted at +3db.

jonathan posted:

They have a claimed 93+db sensitivity. Pick whichever receiver has some good auto-eq features (ie Audyssey XT) and be happy. You certainly don't need a seperate amp. Even less so if you send the bass over to a subwoofer.

I run similarly sensitive speakers (Klipsch rf3) with a receiver on the low end of power (around 100 watts per channel sustained) and not once have I wished for more wattage or detected what I thought was a clipping amp. It keeps up with my 2.2kw subwoofer amp boosted at +3db.

Awesome. I'll dig around some more. Denon avr-x3200w might just be the ticket.

Quick follow up. I know Amazon has the klipsch powered subs on sale usually. For carpeted basement, down or forward firing? My brain says forward, but may as well ask those with more experience and knowledge.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


ssjonizuka posted:

For carpeted basement, down or forward firing? My brain says forward, but may as well ask those with more experience and knowledge.

Placement in room is far more important than where the driver's located on a sub.

Hob_Gadling
Jul 6, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Grimey Drawer
It's Christmas. Have a peaceful holiday and a very merry Christmas!

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ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Mr. BT posted:

What's the verdict on Sonos?

I'd really like some wireless surrounds for my bedroom. Currently I'm using a Bose Cinemate, which I like, except that it doesn't have a possibility of surrounds.

My top priority is not having wires all over my room for the dog to chew on, followed by something that makes music sound really great. It doesn't have to blow the doors off because I have a roommate.

If not Sonos, I could piece together something using a receiver. Suggestions?

We bought a pair of Play:1 speakers a while back when they were doing a 1 year google music + discount if you buy two and I love them. The sound is great, in my opinion, though I'm no audiophile. The app works great and its a very pleasant experience. We ended up getting a Sonos 3 for the living room and we'll be getting the playbar too.

ejstheman
Feb 11, 2004
I have two powered subwoofers in a roughly 14'x14' room. One of them is under the computer desk the speakers are on, about midway on one of the walls. The other one is currently not hooked up. There's no room for it to be in the same place. Is it possible to have it somewhere else? There's space for it to be next to the couch, but I don't want to have some weird nodal point with no bass.

Dogen
May 5, 2002

Bury my body down by the highwayside, so that my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride
Usually you do want the second sub kind of on the opposite side of the room from the first and on a wall, but you will just have to try it out and see.

Brain Issues
Dec 16, 2004

lol

ijyt posted:

We bought a pair of Play:1 speakers a while back when they were doing a 1 year google music + discount if you buy two and I love them. The sound is great, in my opinion, though I'm no audiophile. The app works great and its a very pleasant experience. We ended up getting a Sonos 3 for the living room and we'll be getting the playbar too.

I started with Sonos by buying a Connect, ended up buying a second Connect for another room, and bought two Play:1s a few weeks ago. They all work great and I couldn't be happier with them. You definitely pay a premium for their stuff but it just works so well.

smackfu
Jun 7, 2004

Thank god I have my wife to counteract this thread, otherwise I would have bought a Sonos system by now. "How would it be better than our current system exactly?" "Um, it would be wireless?"

Jelmylicious
Dec 6, 2007
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I am looking for new speakers for a simple 2.0 system. I mainly watch movies and listen to music. When I game, I mute the game and put on my own music.

I already have a reciever (Denon 1312) connecting my computers to a projector. Recently our second hand DIYed floorstanding speakers have started to sound flat and canny, making it hard to hear speech, and I think it's time for an upgrade. The OP in this thread is great, but I still feel a bit overwhelmed with all the options out there.

I was thinking to spend around 200-300 euros. Some extra points:
- We live in an appartment, so we don't need the strong oomph from a base.
- I get distracted from surround sound and want to look around if I hear a sudden sound coming from behind. Maybe I haven't encountered any good setups yet, but I prefer my sound to come from the direction of the image.
- Must be available in The Netherlands

I heard good things about Wharfedale Diamond 220 and Q-Acoustic 3020. Are stands an absolute must for these? Should I even consider bookshelf, or only focus on floorstanding?

Jelmylicious fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Dec 25, 2015

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 

Mr. BT posted:

What's the verdict on Sonos?

I'd really like some wireless surrounds for my bedroom. Currently I'm using a Bose Cinemate, which I like, except that it doesn't have a possibility of surrounds.

My top priority is not having wires all over my room for the dog to chew on, followed by something that makes music sound really great. It doesn't have to blow the doors off because I have a roommate.

If not Sonos, I could piece together something using a receiver. Suggestions?

For wireless surrounds I don't think you can go wrong with two Play:1s. They should be plenty enough for your bedroom. For my living room I opted for two Play:3s instead because I wanted MOAR SOUND but I haven't had a regret with my 1s (bedroom) yet.


Mr. BT posted:

Would you recommend a PLAYBAR and some Play:1s? I've heard the Play:5 is super awesome, but it would be ridiculous to use those as surrounds.

Maybe Play:3s as surrounds?


I'm using Two Play:3s as surrounds in my living room, along with a PlayBar hooked to a Bridge (which I gather is no longer necessary). It sounds fine, to the point where I'd say I'm not going to bother investing in the Sub. I could, but I think my neighbours would probably murder me in my sleep.

If you can get past the fact that you're going to be paying a good amount of money for wireless speakers I think you'd really enjoy the setup.

some kinda jackal fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Dec 25, 2015

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ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Also with the Play:1 vs Play:3 for surround, from my experience if you go the "budget" route and get Play:1's you won't be disappointed. The Play:3 is very nice, and fills a moderately sized room nicely, but if it's being paired with a soundbar then Play:1's I feel would suffice.

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